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I read the news today (oh boy) - Current world events
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While I can't see him being reelected, the thought of him getting back in worries me. The damagea-hard-days-night-ringo-14

I've been living in the United States of America for the three years since Donald Trump was elected, and I don't know, maybe I'm sheltered, but I really haven't seen this damage that everyone predicted would fall out of the sky and have been crowing about ever since. Many make the argument that 'OOOH HIS RHETORIC IS DIVISIVE!' -- which it is, I'm not gonna lie, but so is everyone else's. One side is as bad as the other in that regard, but at least, at a concrete level, things have actually improved. People have jobs again. We make things, buy things, things that aren't garbage from China. It's better for everyone.

I'm not saying I agree with every single thing that President Trump has ever done, that would be ridiculous for any politician, but overall I approve of some of the major things, like NOT LETTING CHINA SCREW US OVER. I remember the economic stagnation of the Obama years, the general air of malaise. It wasn't fun. Hillary would have just been more of the same. I'm so glad, in retrospect, that it didn't happen that way.

But hey! I'm an American voter and you're not so mccartney-shrug_01_gif a-hard-days-night-george-10 I'm quite happy to agree to disagree apple01

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Just know a vast majority of the world is watching, scratching their heads. 

America is a sheltered place. Many people live their whole lives there not knowing about the rest of the world (20% of Americans can't point to America on a globe. Enough said). The rest of the world has to take notice of America for survival. 

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@Beatlebug, what is trunp doing to win over Africa from China? That is one way China is getting more economic than us. 

 

Hiw does trump plan to handle China's belt and road policy or the fact that they refuse to buy our trash anymore. 

 

China is still screwing us over. 

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The Hole Got Fixed said
Just know a vast majority of the world is watching, scratching their heads. 

America is a sheltered place. Many people live their whole lives there not knowing about the rest of the world (20% of Americans can't point to America on a globe. Enough said). The rest of the world has to take notice of America for survival.   

You're not wrong. I, personally, try my best to stay informed on what's going on in the world, but I can't pretend that I know everything or always have a clear perspective. I'm just sharing my perspective. mccartney-shrug_01_gif

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Beatlebug, what is trunp doing to win over Africa from China? That is one way China is getting more economic than us. 

 

Hiw does trump plan to handle China's belt and road policy or the fact that they refuse to buy our trash anymore. 

 

China is still screwing us over.   

China's screwing the world over and there's only so much we can do. My point was that Trump is doing more to stand up to China than his predecessors were.

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America is a sheltered place. Many people live their whole lives there not knowing about the rest of the world (20% of Americans can't point to America on a globe. Enough said). The rest of the world has to take notice of America for survival. 

 

People like to point out idiots in america as if there aren’t idiots everywhere. 

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Let's not forget there's around another dozen investigations still going on into Trump, his business, family and associates...

Mueller was always the least likely to find evidence for a definitive call.

So, where are we with Brexit compared to a couple of weeks ago?

Well, a couple of weeks ago May had lost MV2 and was heading for Europe to ask for an extension to head off falling off a cliff in 12 days as she talks about MV3...

Now, we can say May has lost MV2.5 and is likely to be heading for Europe to ask for an extension to head off falling off a cliff in 12 days as she talks about MV4...

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Beatlebug said

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While I can't see him being reelected, the thought of him getting back in worries me. The damagea-hard-days-night-ringo-14

I've been living in the United States of America for the three years since Donald Trump was elected, and I don't know, maybe I'm sheltered, but I really haven't seen this damage that everyone predicted would fall out of the sky and have been crowing about ever since. Many make the argument that 'OOOH HIS RHETORIC IS DIVISIVE!' -- which it is, I'm not gonna lie, but so is everyone else's. One side is as bad as the other in that regard, but at least, at a concrete level, things have actually improved. People have jobs again. We make things, buy things, things that aren't garbage from China. It's better for everyone.

I'm not saying I agree with every single thing that President Trump has ever done, that would be ridiculous for any politician, but overall I approve of some of the major things, like NOT LETTING CHINA SCREW US OVER. I remember the economic stagnation of the Obama years, the general air of malaise. It wasn't fun. Hillary would have just been more of the same. I'm so glad, in retrospect, that it didn't happen that way.

But hey! I'm an American voter and you're not so mccartney-shrug_01_gif a-hard-days-night-george-10 I'm quite happy to agree to disagree apple01

  

An interesting take on things, and it's good to hear someone who isn't blindly allied with either side. I have a couple responses to your points, but I'll get around to that another time.

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That depends on who you are. Someone from Sudan trying to get here is very much affected.

And maybe with hillary, we might get more medical coverage for people rather than ...

 

And besides, local elections will have a bigger impact on you than national. 

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Trump's supposed rescue of the economy is a bit of a myth anyway. Firstly, it was Obama (for all his faults) who turned the economy around from the mess created by Bush, and Trump is continuing to reap the benefits of that steady growth that began in the early 2010s. If anything, Trump is going to do more damage to the economy through a combination of trickle down economics (been disproven plenty of times, they just enrich the rich whilst hammering the working and middle classes), reinvesting in dead industries like US-sourced coal (delaying their inevitable collapse and meaning that the jobs he's created are only there until the coal runs out - there's a reason they've been being abandoned for so long) and a refusal to invest in renewable energy, which the world is absolutely going to need. 

Basically, while Trump's economic policies might provide a short term boost and result in the optimism @Beatlebug speaks of, overall they amount to little more than a bubble ready to burst (but probably not until he's out of office anyway). 

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People like to point out idiots in america as if there aren’t idiots everywhere.

Not to mention, a lot of the idiots outside of the US can be even more stupid than they are here. A perfect example of this has to be the USSR but that's a story for another thread.

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Let's not forget there's around another dozen investigations still going on into Trump, his business, family and associates...

I think it's only fair that since Trump called off the investigation on Hillary, we do the same for him, especially considering some of those things are very petty like adultery and hiring illegal immigrants, the latter of which i don't have a problem with.

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Dark Overlord said

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People like to point out idiots in america as if there aren’t idiots everywhere.

Not to mention, a lot of the idiots outside of the US can be even more stupid than they are here. A perfect example of this has to be the USSR but that's a story for another thread.

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Let's not forget there's around another dozen investigations still going on into Trump, his business, family and associates...

I think it's only fair that since Trump called off the investigation on Hillary, we do the same for him, especially considering some of those things are very petty like adultery and hiring illegal immigrants, the latter of which i don't have a problem with.

  

That's not really how criminal investigations work. You don't stop investigating or prosecuting someone because they did you a favour. While I'm sure there are political motives behind these investigations to some degree, it's not something you trade in like that. 

I think it's important to make the distinction between your average idiot (like people who couldn't point to the US on a map) and actually evil people like those in the USSR such as Stalin or Beria. Those people weren't stupid, or they wouldn't have been able to run that country with such an iron fist. What they were was evil and sociopathic, for all the horrendous crimes they committed. 

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Dark Overlord said

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People like to point out idiots in america as if there aren’t idiots everywhere.

 

Not to mention, a lot of the idiots outside of the US can be even more stupid than they are here. A perfect example of this has to be the USSR but that's a story for another thread.

Now hang on. My grandfather was from a former Soviet State (Latvia).  He has told me how similar life was there everywhere else he's been. He used the phrase 'though everyone speaks different languages throughout the world, everyone I saw is the same' 

The USSR was not stupid. The citizens were normally clever, but oppressed. It was the rulers, as QM pointed out. The head of state isn't a good representation of the people. 

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That depends on who you are. Someone from Sudan trying to get here is very much affected.

And maybe with hillary, we might get more medical coverage for people rather than ...

 

And besides, local elections will have a bigger impact on you than national. 

This. 

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Feck!!! After another set of unproductive indicative Brexit votes, Tory MP Nick Bowles, who was behind one of the four measures voted down, stood up and said that nothing was getting through because of the intransigence of his party, and then resigned from the party live on the floor of the House of Commons!!!

First time I've seen an MP resign from their party live in the Commons!!!

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But the Russians had a Revolution in order to get this oppressive communism.

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But the Russians had a Revolution in order to get this oppressive communism.

  

There were two revolutions. The February Revolution , in which the Tsar abdicated, was a popular Revolution . Basically, the Tsar would typically suppress the huge strikes that would go on in the cities through the use of force, but this time the soldiers mutinied and joined the strikers. This is very different to what happened in the October Revolution , in which the Bolshevik Party took power at night and fairly secretly. USSR propaganda portrayed it as a people's Revolution , but it wasn't. 

Also, I don't think you realise exactly how bad the situation in Russia was. The people there weren't idiots for wanting to overthrow a corrupt, backward, oppressive regime. Look up Bloody Sunday in 1905, or "Stolypin's Necktie". Or the fact that the regime was so incompetent during the first world war that non-governmental bodies run entirely by volunteers did a better job than actual government departments, but were shut down and their leaders arrested because the Tsarina thought they were revolutionary. 

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Perhaps a more interesting comparison is the era of German history known as the Weimar Republic, which ended with a democratically elected Nazi Party abolishing democracy, and starting racial and political programs that saw a nation destroyed, millions of dead - both civilian and military, a continent in ashes, and the Nuremberg trials.

All this happened with the acquiesce and support of the majority of the German people until they were suddenly so far down the road it was too late to turn back. These were not a stupid uneducated people, just people who put one foot in front of the other unaware of the horrors their lack of opposition would lead to, and the crimes that, ultimately, were done in their name.

I await the suggestion from Trump that the two-term limit is silly and damages America by removing successful Presidents before their day is done...

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I await the suggestion from Trump that the two-term limit is silly and damages America by removing successful Presidents before their day is done...

  

I believe that he's all ready made that "suggestion"...  when Xi Jingping won support about a year or so ago to extend his own grip on power, I remember Trump making a comment to the effect that "maybe we should do that here"...:-)

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I await the suggestion from Trump that the two-term limit is silly and damages America by removing successful Presidents before their day is done...

  

I believe that he's all ready made that "suggestion"...  when Xi Jingping won support about a year or so ago to extend his own grip on power, I remember Trump making a comment to the effect that "maybe we should do that here"...:-)

  

here's the real quote

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I think that's absolutely terrifying too. I have little doubt that if he loses in 2018, Trump will refuse to accept it and probably put up some kind of struggle. 

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Well, it's 2019 and Trump hasn't lost power so there's that.

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