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It’s emerged that among other influences, the shooter cited Candace Owens of right wing US organisation Turning Point as one of his key inspirations. Owens’ response was to tweet ‘LOL’ with a laughing emoji at the suggestion that her rhetoric could have inspired it. I’m honestly so appalled at both her insensitivity and lack of self awareness that she can’t see how her hard right arguments might have inspired right wing violence. 

Fascism is an authoritarian ideology, not a left or right wing one. However, his views on Islam and white supremacy clearly place him within the authoritarian right. It also really pisses me off when people generalize either the left or the right, as there are good and bad people on both sides.

Also, Trump is too liberal for some conservatives, considering his support for things like LGBT rights and drug legalization. After all, this is the guy who stated that Caitlyn Jenner could use any bathroom she’d like.

As for Candace Owens’ remarks, it’s incredibly sickening how something as horrible as a mass shooting can be taken as a joke like that and i hope she’s deplatformed like Milo and Alex Jones because her comments were incredibly insensitive and inappropriate.

Starr Shine? said
Im talking if you are right or left. Just cause ur right or left dont mean ur far right or far left.

My post didnt mention fascists at all.

We should read more carefully before jumping to conclusions.

  

Yes, but the discussion was about the recent terror attacks in New Zealand, the perpetrators of which were fascists. Plus it seemed like you were responding to myself and Dark Overlord, both of whom mentioned fascism in our recent posts, since you said “this kinda mentality”. 

And yes, if we’re talking about people who are moderate enough for their views not to be directly harmful, then of course not everyone on the right is bad. But the moderate people aren’t the ones walking into mosques and committing mass murder.

Dark Overlord said
I disagree, there are plenty of good people who hold far right views.

I think this comment from King Of The Hill will help explain my point:

“They’ll never write a Hollywood musical about a fellow who keeps his yard free of debris and pays his bills on time and the MTV won’t put on a video about a man who requires shoes in the kitchen.”

You see, the media distorts our views on these people because they’ll only tell us about the crazy members of that group. In this case, when you hear about those on the far right, you’ll hear about groups like the Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK and not some Christian father who loves his kids because the latter would be boring whereas the former is interesting. The same thing happens with other groups like feminists.

  

I think you’re being a bit intellectually dishonest. When you say ‘some Christian father who loves his kids’ you are not giving the full picture, because a Christian father loving his kids in itself does not make that man far right. You’re deliberately leaving out the harmful parts of it – i.e probably that this man presumably has racist, sexist and homophobic views. My dad is a Christian father who loves his kids, and he’s moderately left wing. If you’re going to use that as an example, then say what you mean and don’t only include half the picture. 

I fully get what you’re saying about the media. But you’re acting as if the sensationalist media makes far right views appear to be more harmful than they are, and therefore not mentioning all the GOOD people who hold far right views, but those people don’t exist. If you hold views that are homophobic, sexist or racist then you are not a good person. Simple as that. It’s not like there are *some* nice KKK members, it’s that, if you’re in the KKK, you’re not nice. Before you say that it’s not all far right people, I’ll correct you. It’s “not all right wing people”, not “not all far right wing people”. The inclusion of the prefix “far” is implying that they are extremists.

Basically, the issue of how the media only reports dramatic things isn’t really relevant here, because in this case the views that far right people hold are offensive enough on their own without that. I think what you’re saying could be correct if you differentiated between moderate right wing people, or centrists (like your average loving Christian father without any of the small print), but that doesn’t appear to be what you’re doing.

BTW, for anyone wondering, while it might seem that I’m not acknowledging the economic aspects of the political compass, I just don’t think they’re that relevant to the issue here, which is more about the social aspects of it, since in this case the terrorist didn’t seem to be concerned with economics particularly. 

If someone actually followed the bible word for word I’d be mightily impressed given how specific a lot of it is, but it would also make them a bad person, because they’d have to start doing things like stoning adulterers. Here’s some of the rampart sexism in the bible, for example:

Anyways, i think this had more to do with mental illness then his political views.

This is where I disagree. Mental illness probably played a factor into it, but if he was just some mad guy who went over the edge he wouldn’t have published a huge manifesto detailing exactly why he did it, including reference to a great deal of right wing politicians, talking points, arguments and scenarios.