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I don't dispute that MP is a good manager, @Father McKenzie, I'm just not sure he's a good West Ham manager. We've always had a certain style of play, and that style of play hasn't been evident in teams he's managed.

As for Rafa, I don't think staying loyal to Newcastle had anything to do with it. There was the £6 million buy-out clause in contract, he also has a large backroom team he'd have wanted to bring with him. Those two factors together means he would have been an expensive appointment. There is already rumours that a Russian club are interested in him.

On the Arsenal front, despite all the rumours about Arteta, the BBC are reporting that they will announce former Paris St-Germain manager Unai Emery as their appointment later in the week.

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West Ham is an utter mess of a club with a board increasingly detached from their fanbase and a large percentage of fans who believe they deserve far more success than is realistic and so will happily protest at the first sign of their pies going on sale. There were also rumours before Moyes went that he was unsure if he wanted to stay due to everything he had seen whilst manager and it was no surprise he did.

For all the madness that Ashley and Newcastle provide, Rafa is adored by the fans as they know he is as good as realistically possible and is doing well with the resources he has. If his demands are met he will probably stay, especially with a possible sale of the club meaning even more to spend. 

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@Ron Nasty:  Yeah. I'd have those same reservations about Pellegrini. However,as long as he gets results,surely it shouldn't matter how he achieves them?

 

He has some good players there,the likes of Arnautovic,Antonio,Hernandez who was woefully under used by Moyes (although, from what I remember,he didn't select him much at Man United either,so maybe he just doesn't rate him) and Lanzini who I'm a big fan of (though I've heard that Liverpool are interested in him),so Pellegrini has a good base to work from,but as you're undoubtedly aware of,he also has players who aren't really good enough,so it'll be interesting to see how he goes about it. Re Arteta,yeah, I read earlier about Emery,a good choice in my opinion. Although,a £50m transfer budget for the summer? Good luck with that Mr Emeryahdn_paul_01(not going to stretch very far is it?) The rumour is that Arteta sought assurances over transfer budget,and control over signings before committing himself. Who knows what is true and what isn't though? It is silly season after all. More rumours are that both Luis Enrique and Simeone were also approached,but they turned them down.

 

Good points on Rafa @meanmistermustard. I didn't think about the takeover angle. You'd think Newcastle would do everything in their power to make sure he stays. I see reports are linking him with a move to sign Torres from Atletico on a free transfer

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So, Manuel Pellegrini confirmed at West Ham, and now Unai Emery confirmed at Arsenal. Apparently,everything was agreed for Arteta to get the job,but Arsenal changed their minds at the last minute.

 

Also,Wayne  Rooney expected in America tomorrow for a medical,agree personal terms etc, with DC United. Former Watford and Hull manager Marco Silva is the current favourite to get the Everton job.

 

Noises coming from Spain that Real Madrid see Saturdays final as an 'easy game' because Liverpool are 'mentally weak'. I disagree. If we were mentally weak, surely we wouldn't have reached the final? ahdn_paul_01

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Cup final went much as expected, unfortunately - we have been dire for much of most games this year.

And boring to watch which really annoys me.

Cancelled my pay tv sub - can't bear watching them until we go back to playing with style. Not anytime soon I fear.

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So, Liverpool are beaten 3-1 in the champions league final. I thought we did OK, certainly gave them a hard match,but Karius......a-hard-days-night-paul-3Words fail me. The first mistake he makes is actually unbelievable. I wouldn't even expect a kid playing in the park on a Sunday morning to make that mistake. The 2nd mistake,just ridiculous. Klopp HAS to buy a new goalie now surely? We were well in the game,and the goalie has cost us the match. Ridiculous.

 

Credit to Madrid. Fantastic team, and deserved it in the end though. Liverpool tired towards the end of the game,and Madrid's experience got them through. Credit to Gareth Bale also. His first goal is outstanding

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Father McKenzie said
So, Liverpool are beaten 3-1 in the champions league final. I thought we did OK, certainly gave them a hard match,but Karius......a-hard-days-night-paul-3Words fail me. The first mistake he makes is actually unbelievable. I wouldn't even expect a kid playing in the park on a Sunday morning to make that mistake. The 2nd mistake,just ridiculous. Klopp HAS to buy a new goalie now surely? We were well in the game,and the goalie has cost us the match. Ridiculous.

 

Credit to Madrid. Fantastic team, and deserved it in the end though. Liverpool tired towards the end of the game,and Madrid's experience got them through. Credit to Gareth Bale also. His first goal is outstanding  

I just opened this thread for the point of getting it off my unread list, and I see that bold phrase...

You do realise, @father-mckenzie, that the goalie will have been trying his hardest, yet is cursed by the fact that he is human and makes mistakes occasionally? I'll never understand soccer fans. a-hard-days-night-george-10

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Some of the blame has to be aimed at Klopp; he's had two transfer windows this season to address the goalkeeper position as everyone else could see Mignolet and Karius were nowhere good enough and has done nothing. As shown so many times, the great goalkeepers will win you games, the average will cost you and tonight Liverpool paid with one of the biggest prizes in football. 

You can bank your house on a new keeper finally being signed by Klopp before the new season starts, tho two are ideal as who will have any confidence in either of the current two coming in if required. 

Madrid deserved it no doubt. 

And Robertson was brilliant again - his tackle on Ronaldo was as good as any you will see.

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@TheHoleGotFixed: I realize that everyone makes mistakes,but the guy did it twice. His head had gone after the first mistake, there's no excuse. He's not good enough, and never has been

 

@meanmistermustard: Agree totally. Klopp has stayed loyal to the lad,as he was his signing,but he's not good enough,and I said the same last season. He actually started the game well,made a few good saves (particularly one from Ronaldo for the offside goal in the first half) but after the first error, his confidence was shot,and Bale's 2nd goal should never have beaten him. Should have been a comfortable catch.

 

Robertson? Yep,yet again,the lad put in a top performance. He's getting better every game. What a signing he's been. Not many teams can say that they've stopped Ronaldo scoring, and I thought we played him well generally, although that's obviously no consolation right now. Liverpool are in a healthy financial position (we still haven't spent any of the Coutinho money,and obviously have more CL money coming in) and I'd expect Klopp to buy some new players in the summer (2 new GK's are a must,the 2 we have should both be sold. If they were at Chelsea,City or United, they'd have been sold a long time ago. Why we've persisted with them I don't know).

 

Salah going off was a massive blow,but Egypt say they're optimistic that he can take part at the World Cup,so fingers crossed it's not that serious. A cruel way for a fantastic season to end.

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Sorry to see the Pool beaten.

Now, if they had our keeper ...

Well, maybe it wouldn't help - Real beat us in the Super Cup with Rashford missing another sitter.

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@trcanberra: If we'd turned up,and they'd played us off the park, you'd have to hold your hands up and admit you were outplayed. Thing is,I don't think we were. I thought it was a pretty even game,with not many chances created by either team. I can take a defeat (there are a lot of positives to take from the game for us),but to lose it in the way we did is hard to stomach. They're a great team,and congratulations to them. We're back in it next season,so lets hope we have another good crack at it next year.

 

Re Karius: I think his Liverpool career is over after last night. Millions of people around the world saw that game,so who is going to want to buy him after that? Having De Gea at Liverpool would be unbelievable

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Just wanted to get you guys thoughts on the Salah/Ramos incident on Saturday @trcanberra @meanmistermustard. Andy Robertson has said that Ramos was 'quite clever' with the way he acted over the incident. I know I'm going to be biased,but I have to be honest and say,when i saw it the first time,it looks accidental. However,when you look at it from another angle,it looks deliberate on Ramos's part. He's pinned Salah's arm so Salah can't move,and as Salah falls,you can see that Ramos still has his arm pinned. When Salah hits the floor, Ramos's weight falls on him, causing the injury. I think, having seen it again,that it was in fact deliberate. Real Madrid wanted our best player out of the game, and they achieved it. The fact that Ramos appears to be smiling and joking with the linesman as Salah walks off in tears doesn't look great either. What are your thoughts and opinions on it guys?

 

Ramos also put his hands in Karius's face,which no one is talking about,and also got Sadio Mane a yellow card,when he felt the slightest contact and fell to the ground like he'd been shot by a sniper rifle, with appropriate grimacing expression on his face,to make it look more convincing.. I hate to see that side of the game,as it's just unnecessary,and Ramos had a great game,but it's unsportsmanlike,and needs driving out of the game. 

 

As for Gary Neville,what a plonker. Having a pop on social media because Liverpool lost is pathetic really,and we'll remember it the next time he's on Sky in his 'impartial' role as a pundit. We all know his true feelings on Liverpool (I was at Old Trafford when United scored a last minute winner,in 2006,and Neville ran the length of the field to antagonise Liverpool supporters. That won't ever be forgotten either. He could have caused a riot that day). We dumped them out of the FA Cup that year, and went on to win it,that was sweet. Paul Scholes said that it's sad that the only thing United fans can gloat about is the fact that Liverpool lost a European final. I agree. That says an awful lot about United's season. I just think it's pathetic that guys like @trcanberra,Paul Scholes and Rio Ferdinand can see past the rivalry,and see the game for what it was,that Liverpool lost because of a few goalkeeping mistakes,and an absolute wonder goal,maybe the best ever seen in that type of match, and yet others like Neville and Beckham have to stick the knife in. David Beckham,who loves to tell everyone how patriotic he is,but wants a Spanish team to beat an English team ahdn_paul_01. I have no problem with them disliking Liverpool,or wanting them to lose,but when you're in their position (particularly Neville, being a pundit) surely you have to keep those thoughts to yourself?

 

No ex Liverpool players were gloating on social media when Chelsea beat Man United last week. That says a lot doesn't it?

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I thought it was accidental and still do, no player goes out to deliberately injure another, well Roy Keane did but that's to be expected. He almost certainly enjoyed seeing Salah going off but it's not the first time a player has reacted in such a way (Ronaldo winking as Rooney was sent off comes to mind). Ramos is well known for his over reactions to getting players booked but he's not the only one, the Spanish games are full of it and you see in every league under the sun - including in England by English players. 

Does it really matter about Neville? Too many pundits are boring clichés too concerned at upsetting anyone they never say anything of note. Neville is a diehard Man U fan, everyone knows it, so his comments won't be a surprise. He'll expect it back from Liverpool fans and will. As for Beckham, I doubt he's forgotten the songs Liverpool fans were singing about Victoria. To claim unfair play is daft when the fans will be the first to give it out even stronger. 

 

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@meanmistermustard: thanks for the reply. Yeah,good points. I guess feelings are still raw at the moment (earlier seeing footage of Real carrying the trophy off the plane hasn't helped in that regard. Guess who was carrying the trophy? Our friend Mr Ramos. Apparently,he carried it for the majority of the time,and didn't give anyone else a look in).

 

Re Neville and Beckham,yeah,I never considered the Victoria chants angle on that. I've always been of the view that attacking someone's wife or kids from the terraces is wrong,but unfortunately,there are some idiots out there who indulge in that kind of stuff (Everton fans used to sing about Steven Gerrard's family during games, and in retaliation, Liverpool fans sang about Phil Neville's). I think Gary is an excellent pundit, I just feel that those kind of comments may rub people up the wrong way,but as you say, Liverpool fans will no doubt give it back to him in future if United fail.

 

Just seen this. An interesting twist on the Salah/Ramos thing. I doubt this guy will get anywhere with this,but it's ballsy,I'll give him that:

 

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/egyptian-lawyer-files-e1-billion-lawsuit-against-sergio-ramos-after-tackle-on-mohamed-salah-181132

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That lawsuit is a total waste of time and is only done by some idiot wanting publicity.

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Agreed ahdn_paul_06. Salah has said himself that he should be fit to play at the World Cup,Ramos has apologised,time to move on.

 

In transfer news,Liverpool have announced the signing of Brazilian player Fabinho from Monaco for £43m. Cheap at today's prices! He's a midfielder who can also play in defence,and is an ex Real Madrid player who was given his debut by Jose Mourinho. Presumably,he will be a replacement for Emre Can,who looks likely to leave. 

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Kinda hard not to get excited 'bout England's big win over Columbia...  Columbia should be there in the final 8 themselves but England is through...  England/Russia in the semis would be a dream come true... but let's not get ahead of ourselves for Sweden is a worthy foe...  Good Times...  Good Times...:-)

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"Columbia should be there in the final 8 themselves..." @Billy Rhythm? Were you watching the same game? They played dirty and nasty. Barrios should have been off for violent conduct had the referee bothered to walk to the sideline and looked at the headbutt on Jordan Henderson. And if Columbia had been down to 10 men before the end of the first half, as they should have, we'd have likely won in normal time. Barrios only getting a yellow for that was a disgrace, and another example of poor referring despite having decking VAR.

It was justice that we finally won a penalty shoot-out - and a good confidence builder to get rid of that albatross from around our neck - but it shouldn't have got to penalties because we should have been playing a 10 man team in the second half.

Glad to see the back of dirty Columbia, and I'd be saying that whoever they were playing. There's been too much dirty play unpunished this World Cup, and too many referees not controlling the games they're meant to be in charge of.

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"dirty play unpunished" isn't just restricted to "this World Cup"...  it's to be expected and I haven't seen anything here that's anything different from past cups...  Columbia's a Powerhouse and played very well this time around...  England's discipline (something the squad has struggled with for decades now) is why they're through to the quarters...  no surprise that the Columbians tried to throw them off their game with the rough stuff, but it didn't work...  the match was a tense affair where the outcome was uncertain 'til the final kick...  outstanding...:-)

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Point is though, they have VAR this time. Pierluigi Collina apologised in the referees media briefing during the first round that he apologised for things being missed in the early games, and pointed out the referees were wising up and using the technology, and they did get better in the first round.

All Geiger had to do was walk to the sideline and look at the pictures himself. The decision was clear under FIFA rules:

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

There is no point having VAR if the referee isn't going to use.

Collina also said that mobbing of the referee was going to be stamped out, and Columbia repeatedly did it last night.

Myself, I want the technology used, and dirty play punished properly. You seem to think it's acceptable and that it's a shame that a team who played nastily were knocked out. The sooner it's stamped on hard and punished according to the rules, the sooner teams will stop thinking they can get away with it.

You cannot compare this World Cup to previous World Cups because they didn't have VAR in previous World Cups, and VAR was meant to draw a line in the sand.

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