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25 September 2015
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Ron Nasty said

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$599.99 is taking the piss.

Admittedly true. Though if Apple were to release such a comprehensive set for Rubber Soul Revolver  and Sgt. Pepper , who here wouldn't pay $1.58 a track (that's what it boils down to, without all the packaging and extras)?

Me. 

There are other methods so paying ridiculous prices is daft.

If 30 of us all club together and pay $20 each we can then send it around and everyone gets it. 

Its $33 per cd for this Dylan box (you're not buying it for the film cells or the book) so cant they just omit all the crap (who gives a shit you get a certificate of authenticity?) and reduce the price by $150 for a start?

Its measures like this that push fans who'd pay sensible prices towards illegal downloading and then the music business bitches that they do.

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@meanmistermustard On one level I agree, but on another I couldn't disagree more...

Yes, I'm gonna be buying the 6-disc the day it comes out, and hunting TPB for a torrent of the 18-disc because what I want most is the music.

That said, if I had the money, I wouldn't hesitate on pressing "Pre-order" on Bobby's site.

Part of the price is in owning the physical artefact, and I predict - at only 5000 copies - it will be sold out quickly, and quickly rising in value, especially as Bobby has given an assurance that there will never be a second "run" however high the demand.

What he hasn't said is that the music will never be made available digitally, which I predict it will.

In this instance, as I've said, it's about the physical product, and I'm a sucker for something I can hold, and for getting the best version I can afford (or justify spending more on than I can afford).

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I get why folk will buy it, and it will sell out quickly. Its just exorbitant.

If this was an Apple/Beatles thing I would not pay $599.99 for it. Its nowhere close to being worth it.

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Cover versions can be fascinating, especially when a song involves gender and the artist doesn't choose to change it (The Beatles knocking out Boys ). Bobby, on his version of House of the Risin' Sun sings the original female narrator. Here is someone doing classic, without gender changes, making it almost like the perfect Thelma and Louise-soundtrack. This is such a convincing interpretation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....FPJ0bPj744

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Well, yesterday afternoon, via a friend of a friend (the same who did the needle-drop of the Beatles mono vinyl), I got a disc containing the 18-disc collector's edition. Obviously still scratching the surface, but devastating!!! Totally devastating!!! The sound is magnificent. Best I've ever heard any of this stuff sounding, including the tracks that have been previously released.

I will report back when I have more coherent thoughts...

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The 18-disc Cutting Edge has just got much bigger. The original set came with a download code for a high-res copy of the set, including all 379 tracks.

In the last few days, 208 live tracks from 14 venues in 1965 have been added to the download. Which takes the track count up to 587 tracks. Since the set covers 1965 and 1966, it is not a wild supposition to assume that, at some stage over the next year, the 1966 live shows will also be added.

Considering that many of the 379 tracks originally part of the set were breakdowns, it is likely that the addition of the 208 live tracks more than doubles the length of the set. (Lots of breakdowns versus fewer more complete live versions, with many long songs among them.)

Hopefully, the person who did me the 18-disc will forward me the new live stuff soon.

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Have you seen this story yet, @Ron Nasty?

Bob Dylan’s Secret Archive

And it is going to be right here in Oklahoma!

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I hadn't, @Ahhh Girl, and it's fantastic news.

Bob's personal archive is probably the most important archive of any living American artist, and it is good to see that he's taken steps to ensure it isn't broken up in auction after he leaves us, and at a price way below market value. It seems there are some complaints that he didn't just donate it, but I see no reason why he should have. I'm sure many academic institutions would have paid far more, but he has sought a place where he feels comfortable with it going to.

It is great that the major Dylanologists are going to get access to it, and it's sure to lead to much new insight and revelation in the years ahead. Amazing that it includes the mastertapes. It means that we may soon get an equivalent to Lewisohn's The Complete Recording Sessions.

While there have been attempts to do so, they have always been flawed by not having access to the tapes.

Even the announcement of the deal includes a major new discovery, that the "little red notebook" was one of three explains many of the absences from it that were recorded during the Blood on the Tracks sessions.

You can guarantee that there are already Dylanologists firing off pleas for access once the cataloguing is finished.

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The story mentions digitization. Hopefully lots of the stuff will make it onto the web.

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I love Bob Dylan.  He's not just an artist of his generation, hes the voice of a lifetime.

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I've been trying to track down when a live version of Desolation Row was recorded. It had a date attached, but the spoken intro didn't match the spoken intro he gave on that date, so I've been looking through other "Bobtalk" intros for it to try and pin it down. Came across this one from 16 November 1990 in Columbus, Ohio:

Paul McCartney , he doesn't like to hear this song with bass and drums.
That's what he said, but it's okay to play it tonight, 'cause he's not here.

Made me laugh.

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meanmistermustard said

Ron Nasty said

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$599.99 is taking the piss.

Admittedly true. Though if Apple were to release such a comprehensive set for Rubber Soul Revolver  and Sgt. Pepper , who here wouldn't pay $1.58 a track (that's what it boils down to, without all the packaging and extras)?

Me. 

There are other methods so paying ridiculous prices is daft.

If 30 of us all club together and pay $20 each we can then send it around and everyone gets it. 

Its $33 per cd for this Dylan box (you're not buying it for the film cells or the book) so cant they just omit all the crap (who gives a shit you get a certificate of authenticity?) and reduce the price by $150 for a start?

Its measures like this that push fans who'd pay sensible prices towards illegal downloading and then the music business bitches that they do.

Totally agree.  People get sucked into buying this stuff “in the moment”.  I remember buying the Beatles 2014 US CD box set on Amazon, and I didn’t sleep that night wondering why I bought it.  Luckily I was able to cancel the next day!  

Especially CDs, where it’s easy to copy them for free.  Download it, borrow it from a friend, or go to the library and make a copy, don’t get sucked into this $hit! paul-mccartney

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What I like about the Dylan archive is that it's gone to someone who loves Dylan and has a good track record of backing his collection. It means the archive will be safe for generations. Tulsa deserves to be the cool place just like he wants if someone like that is batting for it.

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Bongo said

meanmistermustard said

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$599.99 is taking the piss.

Admittedly true. Though if Apple were to release such a comprehensive set for Rubber Soul Revolver  and Sgt. Pepper , who here wouldn't pay $1.58 a track (that's what it boils down to, without all the packaging and extras)?

Me. 

There are other methods so paying ridiculous prices is daft.

If 30 of us all club together and pay $20 each we can then send it around and everyone gets it. 

Its $33 per cd for this Dylan box (you're not buying it for the film cells or the book) so cant they just omit all the crap (who gives a shit you get a certificate of authenticity?) and reduce the price by $150 for a start?

Its measures like this that push fans who'd pay sensible prices towards illegal downloading and then the music business bitches that they do.

Totally agree.  People get sucked into buying this stuff “in the moment”.  I remember buying the Beatles 2014 US CD box set on Amazon, and I didn’t sleep that night wondering why I bought it.  Luckily I was able to cancel the next day!  

Especially CDs, where it’s easy to copy them for free.  Download it, borrow it from a friend, or go to the library and make a copy, don’t get sucked into this $hit! 

I say, if it doesn't keep food off of your table and you enjoy it, buy it. To Hell with everyone else.

It's my money and I'll buy if I want to...

BTW @Bongo I've cancelled orders "the next morning" as well. Late nights armed with beer, a credit card and an Amazon account - not a great combo. a-hard-days-night-ringo-12

I love Dylan's music but don't have nearly enough of it at hand. I'm not ready to plunk down six Benjamin's however. Baby steps...

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Yep, that and those late night advertising channels are a killer! a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

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Whereas Apple can't find the balls to put out one complete Beatles concert on CD Bob Dylan is releasing 'Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings'; 36 CD's worth of concerts, all from 1966, in November.

Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings
Disc 1 – Sydney, April 13, 1966 (Soundboard recorded by TCN 9 TV Australia)
Disc 2 – Sydney, April 13, 1966 (Soundboard recorded by TCN 9 TV Australia)
Disc 3 – Melbourne, April 20, 1966 (Soundboard / unknown broadcast)
Disc 4 – Copenhagen, May 1, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 5 – Dublin, May 5, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 6 – Dublin, May 5, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 7 – Belfast, May 6, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 8 – Belfast, May 6, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 9 – Bristol, May 10, 1966 (Soundboard / audience)
Disc 10 – Bristol, May 10, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 11 – Cardiff, May 11, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 12 – Birmingham, May 12, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 13 – Birmingham, May 12, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 14 – Liverpool, May 14, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 15 – Leicester, May 15, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 16 – Leicester, May 15, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 17 – Sheffield, May 16, 1966 (CBS Records recording)
Disc 18 – Sheffield, May 16, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 19 – Manchester, May 17, 1966 (CBS Records recording)
Disc 20 – Manchester, May 17, 1966 (CBS Records recording except Soundcheck / Soundboard)
Disc 21 – Glasgow, May 19, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 22 – Edinburgh, May 20, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 23 – Edinburgh, May 20, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 24 – Newcastle, May 21, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 25 – Newcastle, May 21, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 26 – Paris, May 24, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 27 – Paris, May 24, 1966 (Soundboard)
Disc 28 – London, May 26, 1966 (CBS Records recording)
Disc 29 – London, May 26, 1966 (CBS Records recording)
Disc 30 – London, May 27, 1966 (CBS Records recording)
Disc 31 – London, May 27, 1966 (CBS Records recordings)
Disc 32 – White Plains, NY, February 5, 1966 (Audience tape)
Disc 33 – Pittsburgh, PA, February 6, 1966 (Audience tape)
Disc 34 – Hempstead, NY, February 26, 1966 (Audience tape)
Disc 35 – Melbourne, April 19, 1966 (Audience tape)
Disc 36 – Stockholm, April 29, 1966 (Audience tape)

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Do you know how much that costs? That collection looks out of control. As I understand each concert isn't that long, so hopefully it approaches affordable.

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And, with that, combining his studio albums with The Bootleg Series and The 50th Anniversary Collection's, along with various stand-alone's, Bob will have released virtually every note he recorded in the '60s.

There's a few home recordings from the early '60s that haven't appeared yet (though have appeared on the grey market), mainly fragments; maybe around twenty or thirty alternate takes and outtakes from between November 1967 and the end of the decade. That's about it.

He's released everything else!

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@sir walter raleigh said
Do you know how much that costs? That collection looks out of control. As I understand each concert isn't that long, so hopefully it approaches affordable.  

Bob's official site has it for order at $149.98 at the moment. That seems pretty reasonable to me.

Bob shows were around 100 minutes in 1966. He'd do roughly a 50 minute rapturously recieved acoustic set, have a ten minute break, and then come back on with an electric guitar and The Hawks to be booed and jeered for around 50 minutes.

I would guess that those shows which are given two discs are complete, with the first disc being the acoustic set, and the second being the electric. Those shows that are only given one disc I would guess are incomplete.

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