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18 April 2013
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I used to really hate country when I was a teenager. But as I got older, I began to appreciate it more, especially after being exposed to the ways in which country and folk interrelate. One thing I really hate, though is “new country,” which is that manufactured crap you hear on the radio, all about being proud of the red, white and blue, freedom and beer. Here are some of the artists I like that are country or have elements of country in their sound.
Ian Tyson (the man who introduced Bob Dylan to pot)
Ian & Sylvia
Johnny Cash
Marty Robbins
Carter Family
Woody Guthrie
Nanci Griffith
Ernest Tubb
Lucinda Williams
Elvis Presley
Kris Kristofferson
Mickey Newbury
Townes Van Zandt
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Offline Yeah, but I don’t like most country music made after 1980. Most modern country music is just really bland, generic pop-rock with a fiddle.
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Not a huge fan, but it’s okay until you get to the modern stuff.
Necko put it perfectly
Most modern country music is just really bland, generic pop-rock with a fiddle.
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1.54pm
26 January 2017
Offline I love Bluegrass: the music of my homeland. Bluegrass and Folk are in fact my second favorite genre behind Rock. I can also respect good songwriting in country music if I hear it. Unfortunately nowadays, I rarely do.
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18 April 2013
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I love Bluegrass: the music of my homeland. Bluegrass and Folk are in fact my second favorite genre behind Rock. I can also respect good songwriting in country music if I hear it. Unfortunately nowadays, I rarely do.
You should check out Ian & Sylvia if you don’t know them. They came from Canada and were part of the acoustic folk revival of the 60’s. Later they introduced more pop and rock elements into their music, and then country.
I grew up listening to them and have returned to them several times throughout my life. They are much more authentic than Peter, Paul and Mary in my opinion, which is another folk group I heard a lot as a child.
One really good Ian & Sylvia album is Great Speckled Bird (self-titled–they renamed themselves for this project and added other members), which was produced by Todd Rundgren. This album was basically the beginning of the country rock genre.
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26 January 2017
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sir walter raleigh said
I love Bluegrass: the music of my homeland. Bluegrass and Folk are in fact my second favorite genre behind Rock. I can also respect good songwriting in country music if I hear it. Unfortunately nowadays, I rarely do.You should check out Ian & Sylvia if you don’t know them. They came from Canada and were part of the acoustic folk revival of the 60’s. Later they introduced more pop and rock elements into their music, and then country.
I grew up listening to them and have returned to them several times throughout my life. They are much more authentic than Peter, Paul and Mary in my opinion, which is another folk group I heard a lot as a child.
One really good album is Great Speckled Bird (self-titled), which was produced by Todd Rundgren. This album was basically the beginning of the country rock genre.
I will give them a listen.
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10 March 2017
Offline sir walter raleigh said
I love Bluegrass: the music of my homeland. Bluegrass and Folk are in fact my second favorite genre behind Rock. I can also respect good songwriting in country music if I hear it. Unfortunately nowadays, I rarely do.
Isn’t bluegrass blues not country.
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18 April 2013
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Isn’t bluegrass blues not country.
No, I don’t think it has any blues elements.
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I’ve usually seen it traced back to that Byrds album,…but I’ve never heard of that Speckled Tyson thing until you mentioned it recently…what are the guitar tones like?
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10 March 2017
Offline Expert Textpert said
No, I don’t think it has any blues elements.
Then why do they call it bluegrass if it has nothing to do with blues music.
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18 April 2013
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26 January 2017
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Isn’t bluegrass blues not country.
Really the only thing they have in common is that they originate in the American south and have the word Blue in their name.
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18 April 2013
Offline Here are some other Ian & Sylvia songs:
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26 January 2017
Offline I’m listening to their album Early Morning Rain right now. Their two part harmony os very soothing. You’re right. To me they sound like PP&M but more expressive.
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17 December 2012
Offline Bill Monroe was the most important of the early Bluegrass exponents, and was probably partly responsible for the naming of the genre since his backing band were called the Blue Grass Boys . Elvis recast his 1946 release of Blue Moon of Kentucky as the b-side of his first single, That’s All Right, Mama. This is the original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?…..AVFpThoeb4
It shows how Bluegrass was one of the musics that bled into the formation of Rock ‘N’ Roll .
Also of importance are The Stanley Brothers, a huge influence on Dylan.
Man of Constant Sorrow featured on his 1st album:
While he revisited their work with his version of Rank Strangers to Me on his ’80s album Down in the Groove, of which this is the original:
He would even work with Ralph Stanley when he joined him for a version of The Lonesome River for a 1998 Ralph Stanley & Friends with the Clinch Mountain Boys album. This is the original:
The other pivotal artists were Lester Flatt and Earl Scruggs with the Foggy Mountain Boys :
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After Flatt and Scruggs parted ways at the end of the ’60s, Bob appeared with Earl in the 1970 documentary Earl Scruggs, his Family and Friends:
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26 January 2017
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I live Flatt & Scruggs. I’ve listened to them for my whole life thanks to my dad and one if his close friends always playing and talking about them.
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The Grateful Dead are also massively influenced by Bluegrass, as Jerry Garcia was a Banjo virtuoso before picking up electric guitar.
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18 April 2013
Offline I have some Flatt & Scruggs that I took from my parents’ house when my father died.
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17 December 2012
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Ian Tyson (the man who introduced Bob Dylan to pot)
Probably untrue, Ex Tex.
It’s a story that comes from Suze Rotolo’s book, and Tyson himself questions whether it’s true, though acknowledges it could be.
However, Tyson didn’t meet Dylan until Bobby arrived in Greenwich Village.
Before he got to NYC, he spent some time in Cambridge, Massachusetts, hanging around the University campus, where he met Eric Von Schmidt (referenced in Bob’s spoken intro to Baby, Let Me Follow Me Down on his début album). According to Ric, they smoked a lot of dope.
It was also readily available in Dinkytown, Minnesota which was where Dylan started his folk career.
Dylan himself doesn’t remember who he shared his first joint with, but if it wasn’t in Dinkytown, then it was Ric Von Schmidt.
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3.46pm
18 April 2013
Offline Interesting…I’ve been reading a little bit of Ian and Sylvia’s comments on Bob Dylan. Apparently they were all good friends at one point, but I’ve seen some disparaging comments about Dylan, so something must have changed.
For example, Ian said he was an “a*****e,” and Sylvia said that when he went electric the people weren’t booing because it was loud, they booed because the music wasn’t good, and because Dylan never rehearsed. Also, she said that Dylan used to pick up women just so he could have a meal and a place to sleep for the night.
And apparently Dylan went around offering the same songs to different people and saying “I wrote it just for you.”
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17 December 2012
Offline Here’s Ian Tyson talking about if he Bob onto the dreaded weed, @Expert Textpert:
The story about Dylan never rehearsing rings true, though the same could be said of Hendrix, in that both just played what they played.
Though even if Dylan did rehearse, that didn’t necessarily help. Richard Thompson tells a great story about when they played at the Guitar Legends Festival in Spain in 1991.
They’d rehearsed, worked out what they doing, and then Bob picks up his acoustic for either Across the Borderline or Answer Me (My Love) (can’t remember which off the top of my head), and he’s changed the tuning on his guitar. The film of it shows Richard at the back of the stage desperately retuning for the first half of the song because he’s meant to be playing it with Bob.
Richard’s comment was along the lines of what a barsteward Bob is to play with.
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