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Coronavirus – Come Together, Right Now
1 November 2020
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Everything to shut in England except places of education, essential shops and workplaces where working from home is not possible. Furlough extended to December. 

Seems daft ignoring schools, colleges etc when the rate of infection is so high. 

Agreed.

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What makes even less sense is saying on Saturday that it's important we go into another near total lockdown, and that it will come into effect on Thursday, nearly a fecking week later!!!

Also agreed. I don't see what the purpose of having a four day delay is, maybe one or two days would be justified but this doesn't make any sense to me. 

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As much as this second UK lockdown feels daunting, I'm just so frustrated it wasn't done sooner. If keeping the schools open was indeed part of the plan, then why not start the national lockdown during the October half term and actually give the "circuit breaker" a go. It seemed inevitable even then that this needed to happen looking at the deaths, why Boris kept his fingers in his ears and ignored the advice is beyond me.

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My take is that Boris reaaaaally wants to be an optimistic PM for the good times, and be able to just parade around the country enjoying all the support. Actually governing seems to appeal less to him than the title and fame that comes with it. He's probably been miserable for most of this year, and so returning to a state of national fear and lockdown is probably the last thing he wants to do right now when if things had gone his way he could be in charge of a country that had beaten the virus and was bouncing back. Oh, how I wish we had Jacinda Arden in charge... 

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My take is that Boris reaaaaally wants to be an optimistic PM for the good times, and be able to just parade around the country enjoying all the support. Actually governing seems to appeal less to him than the title and fame that comes with it. He's probably been miserable for most of this year, and so returning to a state of national fear and lockdown is probably the last thing he wants to do right now when if things had gone his way he could be in charge of a country that had beaten the virus and was bouncing back. Oh, how I wish we had Jacinda Arden in charge... 

  

Hopefully he's finally realising that the "spirit and resolve of the British people" may have helped for WW2 and Churchill, but doesn't necessarily apply to a deadly virus. paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

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I think Boris is after the popular vote and is thereby led first by how it will affect his ratings, the experts advice comes afterwards. The delay has been truly idiotic as the experts and all the evidence has been saying shut everything down now for weeks yet Boris and his clan have been acting area-by-area, basically locking down each one-by-one. What should be more concerning for England is that even in the few days before lockdown was announced the big Tories were still appearing trying to sell the regional approach despite it clearly failing miserably. 

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My take is that Boris reaaaaally wants to be an optimistic PM for the good times, and be able to just parade around the country enjoying all the support. Actually governing seems to appeal less to him than the title and fame that comes with it. He's probably been miserable for most of this year, and so returning to a state of national fear and lockdown is probably the last thing he wants to do right now when if things had gone his way he could be in charge of a country that had beaten the virus and was bouncing back. Oh, how I wish we had Jacinda Arden in charge... 

  

Hopefully he's finally realising that the "spirit and resolve of the British people" may have helped for WW2 and Churchill, but doesn't necessarily apply to a deadly virus. paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

  

And having the morons who ignore the guidelines and mix socially needs to be taken into consideration. 700 people caught at a rave on Saturday night. 

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My take is that Boris reaaaaally wants to be an optimistic PM for the good times, and be able to just parade around the country enjoying all the support. Actually governing seems to appeal less to him than the title and fame that comes with it. He's probably been miserable for most of this year, and so returning to a state of national fear and lockdown is probably the last thing he wants to do right now when if things had gone his way he could be in charge of a country that had beaten the virus and was bouncing back. Oh, how I wish we had Jacinda Arden in charge... 

  

Hopefully he's finally realising that the "spirit and resolve of the British people" may have helped for WW2 and Churchill, but doesn't necessarily apply to a deadly virus. paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

  

And having the morons who ignore the guidelines and mix socially needs to be taken into consideration. 700 people caught at a rave on Saturday night. 

  

While this is utterly awful, you are always going to have a minority of rule breakers. The vast majority of people will hopefully go along with the government advice, which is why having Boris delay this to protect his image is actually sickening. It's just toying with lives.

In my workplace, I overheard many conversations along the lines of "the stats look bad, but we're not in a lockdown so how bad can it be?" etc. We're so numb to it all that we need that solid guidance from the government, and it's arrived too late and too lax just like in March.

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The vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, which has been going through its Stage 3 trials, has today been announced to be a huge leap forwards. A wholly new type of vaccine, two injections three weeks apart, given to 43,500 people in six countries (US, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, South Africa and Turkey) has been shown to be 90% effective against the virus without any reported side effects.

It's still early days but this looks very promising, maybe science is starting to find our way out of this nightmare.

Of course, in this day and age, when we're discouraged to mistrust medical science, how many of you will take a vaccine?

I will, front of the queue, jumping up and down with my hand in the air. I've had almost a decade of annual flu jabs without ill effect, and no flu, so if this vaccine  gets licensed and does the trick, just another couple of injections, and much as I hate injections, always have to look away, have been known to pass out (when I had my BCG), I'll take the needle in the arm to avoid Covid-19.

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9 November 2020
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I have so much nerve damage in my neck, that I don't feel needle sticks in my right arm where they give you shots. A little jab won't hurt me -- literally. 

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Ron Nasty said
The vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, which has been going through its Stage 3 trials, has today been announced to be a huge leap forwards. A wholly new type of vaccine, two injections three weeks apart, given to 43,500 people in six countries (US, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, South Africa and Turkey) has been shown to be 90% effective against the virus without any reported side effects.

It's still early days but this looks very promising, maybe science is starting to find our way out of this nightmare.

Of course, in this day and age, when we're discouraged to mistrust medical science, how many of you will take a vaccine?

I will, front of the queue, jumping up and down with my hand in the air. I've had almost a decade of annual flu jabs without ill effect, and no flu, so if this vaccine  gets licensed and does the trick, just another couple of injections, and much as I hate injections, always have to look away, have been known to pass out (when I had my BCG), I'll take the needle in the arm to avoid Covid-19.

It's worth pointing out that the vaccine is unlikely to give permanent immunity and president-elect Joe Biden has stated that we still need to practice safety measures well into next year.

However, if this vaccine is truly effective 90% of the time, that could mean that we could get herd immunity even with anti-vaxxers refusing to take it.

As for whether or not i'd take it, i'd rather just continue to wear a mask and social distance for the next year or so, although i'll take it if my job requires me to.

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I'll be first in the line for any vaccine. Anti-vaxxers are a dangerous and irresponsible threat to public health. 

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I've heard news it's not been peer-reviewed yet, which is a crucial step in the scientific process, but assuming it passes that then I'll definitely go and have it.

Needles aren't the most fun thing in the world but it will help stop a global pandemic and countless more deaths, so it's a no-brainer. 

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I'll be first in the line for any vaccine. Anti-vaxxers are a dangerous and irresponsible threat to public health. 

  

Totally agree. 90% success is some very serious numbers and looks really promising. There is no point in discussing whether to take it or no since it's still not officially introduced but listening to the anti-vaxxers who claim that there are chips inside the vaccine that mess with your brain is also senseless. I think better to take this chance to get rid of the pandemic. I wanna go and visit my family at their property in Cannes already, I had enough of these Zoom meetings... 

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I want this Band-Aid after my shot.

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Apparently it has to be kept at some crazy low temperature that a lot of pharmacies can't accommodate, so it could be a while til it's readily available.

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If recommended to get it by my consultant then, yes, I'll get it.

I don't buy into all the nonsense about how it's just a means to control us thru our blood and the pandemic is fake or whatever guff the anti-vaccine brigade spout. 30 seconds with them and I'm walking out the room.

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@50yearslate said
Apparently it has to be kept at some crazy low temperature that a lot of pharmacies can't accommodate, so it could be a while til it's readily available.

That may not be as big a problem as it first seemed, while it generally needs to be stored at minus 80 or something, they've said it can safely be kept in a normal fridge for around five days, which makes the distribution more complicated, but you can see doctor's surgeries and other points of delivery being able to use a rolling five day delivery with ease during the early months of needing to administer it.

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