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Beatlebug said

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I can't help myself pointing the finger at our "president," even though I know it's probably not the healthiest way to think about it.  

If you're to point your finger at anyone, I'd think it would be the Chinese Communist Party who covered up the outbreak and allowed it to spread to the world, encouraging huge gatherings for Lunar New Year's even though they knew that it was likely to spread the disease.

  

I'm probably very late in replying this, but the Chinese Communist Party did not encourage Lunar New Year exoduses. Rather, they imposed the lockdown on Wuhan before the Chinese New Year occurred, only for it to backfire partially when many chose to leave the vicinity. It is during the first day of the Lunar New Year that they decided to extend the lockdown to everywhere in China and increase the duration as well, once they realized the mistake. You can say that their initial breach of containment were terrible, and I don't exactly disagree, but soon after they began to pick up the pace and decided to get serious (albeit sacrificing many civil liberties in doing so). 

In short, they did not 'encourage' people to engage in New Year exoduses, but rather the downward spiral it is the result of not-serious-enough regulations and the public being not-well-informed.

Here's a couple of news links I could find:
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I just want to address this real quick so we can move on.

@Pablo Ramon and others: I never meant to deflect blame. I just feel that it's more justifiable to blame a party that systematically concealed the viral outbreak* than one's own government, which might have been incompetent, but I don't think anyone really knew what to make of the virus when it first broke, and therefore I hesitate to be too harsh on them. Not that they're above criticism, I just think one of these things is clearly worse than the other. You can't help but wonder if the delayed responses of various governments were aggravated, at least, by the Chinese government's unwillingness to be transparent. It would have been nice if the CCP had been totally upfront so we could clearly blame our own governments and give them what-for at the voting booth; we have much less control over the course of Chinese affairs.

Of course, now that we are at a more advanced stage and know more about what works and what doesn't, our governments should by all means look back on the mistakes that were made and make changes for the better as we move forward. At the end of the day, I don't believe in spending too much time pointing fingers at anyone, because it isn't very productive. I was just replying specifically to Pablo's specific finger-pointing at "the 'president,'" which I felt was somewhat misplaced, but that's my opinion and your opinion and I once heard someone say that opinions are like assholes: everyone's got one and they all stink. (Except one's own, of course!) a-hard-days-night-george-10

It's totally understandable to want to rail at the skies, or the Powers That Be, when you've spent months with your life disrupted, living in fear, and have lost a dear friend.

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Beatlebug said
I just want to address this real quick so we can move on.

@Pablo Ramon and others: I never meant to deflect blame. I just feel that it's more justifiable to blame a party that systematically concealed the viral outbreak* than one's own government, which might have been incompetent, but I don't think anyone really knew what to make of the virus when it first broke, and therefore I hesitate to be too harsh on them. Not that they're above criticism, I just think one of these things is clearly worse than the other. You can't help but wonder if the delayed responses of various governments were aggravated, at least, by the Chinese government's unwillingness to be transparent. It would have been nice if the CCP had been totally upfront so we could clearly blame our own governments and give them what-for at the voting booth; we have much less control over the course of Chinese affairs.

Of course, now that we are at a more advanced stage and know more about what works and what doesn't, our governments should by all means look back on the mistakes that were made and make changes for the better as we move forward. At the end of the day, I don't believe in spending too much time pointing fingers at anyone, because it isn't very productive. I was just replying specifically to Pablo's specific finger-pointing at "the 'president,'" which I felt was somewhat misplaced, but that's my opinion and your opinion and I once heard someone say that opinions are like assholes: everyone's got one and they all stink. (Except one's own, of course!) a-hard-days-night-george-10

It's totally understandable to want to rail at the skies, or the Powers That Be, when you've spent months with your life disrupted, living in fear, and have lost a dear friend.

God bless everyone. heartapple01apple02heartapple01apple02

*yes, I know the National Review is specifically a conservative outlet, but I looked through the sources and they're from all over the place and seem sound enough.

  

Such opinions are not exactly wrong, just be sure to remember that sometimes governments mess up (whether for the better or worse) because people do mess up sometimes. Just be sure to be more mindful of others in the future, and be sure to wash your hands everyday, and things'll be fine. I'm not too keen on the communist party anyways.

Side note: I'm close to finishing my assignments for quarantine, so life's been alright I suppose. Week highlights include the weekly Discord server meetup.

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^I also enjoy the meet-ups and the general bants from time to time. You're an amusing bunch.

 

 

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The camp that I go to every summer has been canceled. This was supposed to be my last year, too, since next summer I won't be eligible because then I'll be out of high school a-hard-days-night-paul-10Now I guess last summer was my last time at campmccartney-shrug_01_gif

It really kind of sucks, because I wasn't able to spend one last week with all my camp friends. I've been going since 7th grade, and through the years have formed so many meaningful relationships and had such a blast. The one silver lining is that most of my friends only live an hour north of me, so we can, like, plan a hangout or meet-up and it wouldn't be a problem. 

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The camp that I go to every summer has been canceled. This was supposed to be my last year, too, since next summer I won't be eligible because then I'll be out of high school a-hard-days-night-paul-10Now I guess last summer was my last time at campmccartney-shrug_01_gif

  

That's disappointing. 

I keep forgetting there are young people here. My kids barely tolerate my Beatles obsessiveness, it always surprises me that young people are fans too...

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That really sucks lrmm... hope you can meet up with your camp friends soon. Organise a diy camp, perhaps?

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The camp that I go to every summer has been canceled. This was supposed to be my last year, too, since next summer I won't be eligible because then I'll be out of high school a-hard-days-night-paul-10Now I guess last summer was my last time at campmccartney-shrug_01_gif

  

That's disappointing. 

I keep forgetting there are young people here. My kids barely tolerate my Beatles obsessiveness, it always surprises me that young people are fans too...

  

There's probably at least 50% of us here who are under 25 I would say. 

Your kids don't have music tastes it would seema-hard-days-night-ringo-15a-hard-days-night-george-10

 

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^I also enjoy the meet-ups and the general bants from time to time. You're an amusing bunch.

I agree. I would be surprised if this stops after quarantine is lifted 

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I keep forgetting there are young people here. My kids barely tolerate my Beatles obsessiveness, it always surprises me that young people are fans too...

I have been told so many times that "my parents raised me well" by people when they find out I'm a fan, but the funny thing is that my parents are only fans now because of me

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Pablo Ramon said

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The camp that I go to every summer has been canceled. This was supposed to be my last year, too, since next summer I won't be eligible because then I'll be out of high school a-hard-days-night-paul-10Now I guess last summer was my last time at campmccartney-shrug_01_gif

  

That's disappointing. 

I keep forgetting there are young people here. My kids barely tolerate my Beatles obsessiveness, it always surprises me that young people are fans too...

  

There's probably at least 50% of us here who are under 25 I would say. 

Your kids don't have music tastes it would seema-hard-days-night-ringo-15a-hard-days-night-george-10

  

The oldest works in radio and is a DJ on what is probably the leading free-form radio station in the US. She also has some of the worst taste in music imaginable. The middle has her tastes, some of which are great and others of which I can't endure. The youngest is a multi-talented musician who is presently obsessed with musical theater but who has a great pair of ears and absorbs everything. Growing up, they were exposed to a huge variety of music. Early rock and roll, jazz, blues, R&B, hip hop, rock, pop, a HUGE dose of punk. Mostly I think they inherited our skepticism, mistrust and general upturned middle-finger toward authority. 

We always encouraged them to develop their own tastes. I think they were almost certainly influenced indirectly by hearing a ton of Beatles. 

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Pablo Ramon said

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lovelyritametermaid said

The camp that I go to every summer has been canceled. This was supposed to be my last year, too, since next summer I won't be eligible because then I'll be out of high school a-hard-days-night-paul-10Now I guess last summer was my last time at campmccartney-shrug_01_gif

  

That's disappointing. 

I keep forgetting there are young people here. My kids barely tolerate my Beatles obsessiveness, it always surprises me that young people are fans too...

  

There's probably at least 50% of us here who are under 25 I would say. 

Your kids don't have music tastes it would seema-hard-days-night-ringo-15a-hard-days-night-george-10

  

The oldest works in radio and is a DJ on what is probably the leading free-form radio station in the US. She also has some of the worst taste in music imaginable. The middle has her tastes, some of which are great and others of which I can't endure. The youngest is a multi-talented musician who is presently obsessed with musical theater but who has a great pair of ears and absorbs everything. Growing up, they were exposed to a huge variety of music. Early rock and roll, jazz, blues, R&B, hip hop, rock, pop, a HUGE dose of punk. Mostly I think they inherited our skepticism, mistrust and general upturned middle-finger toward authority. 

We always encouraged them to develop their own tastes. I think they were almost certainly influenced indirectly by hearing a ton of Beatles. 

  

Oh the irony that someone can work as a DJ and have some a-hard-days-night-paul-3music tastes.

Good traits to inherit, I must saypaul-mccartney-thumb_gifpaul-mccartney-thumb_gif

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Pablo Ramon said

Pablo Ramon said

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The camp that I go to every summer has been canceled. This was supposed to be my last year, too, since next summer I won't be eligible because then I'll be out of high school a-hard-days-night-paul-10Now I guess last summer was my last time at campmccartney-shrug_01_gif

  

That's disappointing. 

I keep forgetting there are young people here. My kids barely tolerate my Beatles obsessiveness, it always surprises me that young people are fans too...

  

There's probably at least 50% of us here who are under 25 I would say. 

Your kids don't have music tastes it would seema-hard-days-night-ringo-15a-hard-days-night-george-10

  

The oldest works in radio and is a DJ on what is probably the leading free-form radio station in the US. She also has some of the worst taste in music imaginable. The middle has her tastes, some of which are great and others of which I can't endure. The youngest is a multi-talented musician who is presently obsessed with musical theater but who has a great pair of ears and absorbs everything. Growing up, they were exposed to a huge variety of music. Early rock and roll, jazz, blues, R&B, hip hop, rock, pop, a HUGE dose of punk. Mostly I think they inherited our skepticism, mistrust and general upturned middle-finger toward authority. 

We always encouraged them to develop their own tastes. I think they were almost certainly influenced indirectly by hearing a ton of Beatles. 

  

That's so cool how you're oldest works in radio! I always dreamed of working in the radio biz (either for radio journalism or DJing-- I grew up listening to NPR so I've always been a huge contender for public radio) but always figured that by the time I enter into the adult world the industry would probably become obsolete. I guess I can always have an internet radio show like Time Crisis on Beats 1 mccartney-shrug_01_gif  

But it kind of makes sense that your kids don't really have the same taste that you do (or at least they do and they're just not admitting it)-- personally, I've become kinda averse to the stuff that my mom likes. I mean, she never blasted it all the time, but I figure her liking it is the reason why I cringe at 80s-early 2000s mainstream pop music, a sort of rebellion type thing. I do however share a lot of the same tastes as my brother and biological father (in fact me and my dad's tastes are kind of nearly identical, but not from his influence since I haven't really been around him much growing up-- I just found stuff that I liked on my own or through my older brother). We both like prog rock and classic rock (I learned from one rare occasion I had to talk with him that he's been to a bunch of Pink Floyd and Grateful Dead shows growing up-- he even was a drummer and keyboardist in a couple of bands in high school into college) and we also both hate heavy metal ("I could never get into that metal shit that your Uncle Jim loves so much") My brother also likes prog and psychedelic rock, but is also really into contemporary rock and hip-hop/rap. But enough blabbering about my family.......a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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I keep forgetting there are young people here. My kids barely tolerate my Beatles obsessiveness, it always surprises me that young people are fans too...

I have been told so many times that "my parents raised me well" by people when they find out I'm a fan, but the funny thing is that my parents are only fans now because of me

  

Heh my parents aren't even fans-- I blast Beatles and everything all over the house and the only person its influenced is my little sister and maybe my dog (I'm convinced that my dog likes to listen to Floyd). As I said, I just formated by music tastes indepenently, with slight influence from my brother. 

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I think what really helps gravitate younger people towards The Beatles is that they make up for their lack of skill in knowledge. While many professional musicians can run circles around them when it comes to technical skill, they wouldn't think to record a solo in reverse, hold the tambourine in one hand while hitting the snare with the other, use heterophony as opposed to a straight double track, or even something as basic as splicing two completely different takes together.

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That really sucks lrmm... hope you can meet up with your camp friends soon. Organise a diy camp, perhaps?

Pablo Ramon said

lovelyritametermaid said

The camp that I go to every summer has been canceled. This was supposed to be my last year, too, since next summer I won't be eligible because then I'll be out of high school a-hard-days-night-paul-10Now I guess last summer was my last time at campmccartney-shrug_01_gif

  

That's disappointing. 

I keep forgetting there are young people here. My kids barely tolerate my Beatles obsessiveness, it always surprises me that young people are fans too...

  

There's probably at least 50% of us here who are under 25 I would say. 

Your kids don't have music tastes it would seema-hard-days-night-ringo-15a-hard-days-night-george-10

 

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^I also enjoy the meet-ups and the general bants from time to time. You're an amusing bunch.

I agree. I would be surprised if this stops after quarantine is lifted 

  

Offering my couple cents being from the under-25 demographic here, I was a bit bored of most of today's contemporary music not being weird enough when I was young, and most of the songs on the radio had the same romantic tropes as lyrics. There were exceptions, sure, but overall I wasn't particularly interested. A couple nice hooks here and there, nothing much else, at least to me. In short, I am what some would call as a 'normie'.

One day I stumbled across "I Am The Walrus ", and I decided this is the weirdness I need in my life. Well thankfully now my eyes are open to weird modern music that I very much enjoy.

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I think what really helps gravitate younger people towards The Beatles is that they make up for their lack of skill in knowledge. While many professional musicians can run circles around them when it comes to technical skill, they wouldn't think to record a solo in reverse, hold the tambourine in one hand while hitting the snare with the other, use heterophony as opposed to a straight double track, or even something as basic as splicing two completely different takes together.

  

Their personalities are the centre of everything and it's most easily accessed by pressing play on any of their albums. They say you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with, so The Beatles, who have four members, really become a mindset/way of living once you become a big fan. Thinking about how John or George would feel about something, seeing references to songs in everyday life, taking fashion/style inspirations, etc. Some people don't understand that, but I'm so thankful I do. Listening to In My Life and sitting down afterwards to digest it, equating my first listen to a scientific discovery, was one of the things that opened my mind forever. 

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Offering my couple cents being from the under-25 demographic here, I was a bit bored of most of today's contemporary music not being weird enough when I was young, and most of the songs on the radio had the same romantic tropes as lyrics. There were exceptions, sure, but overall I wasn't particularly interested. A couple nice hooks here and there, nothing much else, at least to me. In short, I am what some would call as a 'normie'.

One day I stumbled across "I Am The Walrus ", and I decided this is the weirdness I need in my life. Well thankfully now my eyes are open to weird modern music that I very much enjoy.

  

I too gravitate generally toward the weird. Have you discovered Captain Beefheart yet? Sadly his greatest album, Trout Mask Replica, is not available to stream except via Youtube. Try it, though, it could lead you down uncharted paths of weirdness - the whole Zappa branch of music, the delta blues, all manner of human oddity is referenced and encapsulated.

We have hijacked this thread now, but...maybe we needed to talk about something else...

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I think what really helps gravitate younger people towards The Beatles is that they make up for their lack of skill in knowledge. While many professional musicians can run circles around them when it comes to technical skill, they wouldn't think to record a solo in reverse, hold the tambourine in one hand while hitting the snare with the other, use heterophony as opposed to a straight double track, or even something as basic as splicing two completely different takes together.

  

Definitely true that many other musicians exceed the individual Beatles in technical skill. Except perhaps Paul, who is certainly one of the best bass players of all time. The inventiveness, drive to move forward and never stand still but for me, more than anything else, what makes them amazing is the way EVERYTHING supports and never outshadows the song. I happen to consider Ringo to be one of the greatest drummers, not because he could do what, say, Keith Moon or John Bonham or Neil Peart could do but because he never did the same thing twice and everything effectively supported the songs.

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(under 25 crowd here) I don't think I've actively rebelled against either of my parents' musical tastes – mine just happen to line up more with my father's than my mother's. There are likings I share with her, such as Chopin and Muse (the latter I actually got her into). But the Beatles and the Floyd I got from my dad are a bit closer to my soul. I'm also far more obsessive than either of them, which is entirely a me thing. While I was made aware of the Fabs thanks to him, I got obsessed with them on my own. Sometimes things are just meant to be – I would've found them eventually, I think. It is nice to have the family connection though.

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12 May 2020
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19 y/o piping up. My dad's taste is quite in line with mine; he's into the Velvets, Talking Heads, Radiohead, The La's, The Stone Roses, The Kinks as well as some stuff that I appreciate but am not particularly into, like Tom Zé, Doves, The Cat Empire and The Jam. My mum likes The Beatles, Simon & Garfunkel, Elton John and quite a few classical composers. So overall I would say I like pretty much everything that my parents do, but the vice-versa would most definitely not be true. Also, most of the artists I have in common with them I generally discovered on my own, or at least maybe heard them played by my parents as a kid but got properly into them independently. 

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