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27 September 2017
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Starr Shine? said
Maybe it needs more of a hot button topic for debate.

Like is it ok to kneel during the national anthem?  

I don't see the problem with it.

 

Police brutality and oppression is something I have larger issues with but Trump is an idiot and it's far easier getting a reaction from soundbites bemoaning sportsmen protesting than doing something about the actual initial issues. Plus Trump could wave a herring in front of his supporters and warble the National Anthem for 30 minutes, get a standing ovation, and claim it was one of the greatest Presidential addresses in US history.

 

We are forever getting told when a sportsperson does anything wrong she/he is a role model yet if they speak out against what they believe in folk moan. Isn't speaking out and taking a stand what role models are meant to do?

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I don't care what athletes do before the game - or after for that matter. That is not why I watch. I watch sports or listen to music or read a book for a diversion - a temporary escape. Having an athlete's politics shoved down my throat is not part of that equation. I don't care about his or her politics, your politics, my neighbors, my friends, enemies, in-laws, outlaws - just don't care. I have my own beliefs and that is all I do care about. If they want to do the hokey-pokey during the anthem, that's their business. If I was there, I would be standing with either my cap or my hand placed firmly over my heart.

If athletes want to make a real display of unity against police brutality, they should kneel down in front of a police station. Doing it on the sideline during the anthem seems a bit silly. But, like I said, that's their business. I just don't care. a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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It's one of those situations where if Trump had kept quiet life would have quietly gone on but having spoken out and called them sons of bitches it's stoked the fires. 

I must say I'm with Zig in that I don't care about protests or what anyone does in private as long as it's not molesting people, killing people etc. I would say nothing illegal but I don't partially care if they want to go get a hooker and snort cocaine all night, that's their choice.

To be perfectly honest I don't care about the whole National Anthem thing and would be quite happy if all sports ditched them. I don't see why sitting, kneeling or not singing means you are disrespecting your country and next to treason.

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Zig said
If athletes want to make a real display of unity against police brutality, they should kneel down in front of a police station. Doing it on the sideline during the anthem seems a bit silly. But, like I said, that's their business. I just don't care. a-hard-days-night-paul-11  

Though if they did, would people even know about it?

I've read a bit and some have a problem with issues being brought up when people wanna ignore them at the game.

Some even are boycotting football which I find silly, It's not like they aren't going to get off their knees and play.

It's one of those situations where if Trump had kept quiet life would have quietly gone on but having spoken out and called them sons of bitches it's stoked the fires.

That's one of Trumps big problems, one of the main reasons that the situation with North Korea is blowing up (metaphorically I hope).

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It's okay to do. The flag and the national anthem are not living things. They don't realize or care whether they're being respected or not.

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27 September 2017
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Starr Shine? said

Zig said
If athletes want to make a real display of unity against police brutality, they should kneel down in front of a police station. Doing it on the sideline during the anthem seems a bit silly. But, like I said, that's their business. I just don't care. a-hard-days-night-paul-11  

Though if they did, would people even know about it?
 
 

Good question. Actually, I think more people would know about it. Not everyone watches sports. More people watch news and news programs than sports. If a group of athletes assembled to kneel down in front of a police station, news outlets would be tripping over themselves trying to submit the story for the next broadcast.

Starr Shine? said 

 
That's one of Trumps big problems, one of the main reasons that the situation with North Korea is blowing up (metaphorically I hope).  

No debate there. a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

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27 September 2017
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I get the feeling that Trump is like Disney's Prince John.

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Myself, I don't see it as a political protest, but rather a civil rights protest.

The most disturbing aspect of it to me is Trump's call for those players who "take a knee" to be fired. It's quite something when the President is calling for people to lose their jobs for exercising their First Amendment rights. I consider that much more disrespectful to those symbols and ideas upon which the US is built.

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I cannot think of one highlight of Trump's tenure so far. It seems to have been a mass of denials, delusions, lies, mistruths, misreporting, conflict, tension and anger. The concerns many had when the results were confirmed seem to have been for very good reason; we're not even a full year in and I don't see it getting any better. 

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meanmistermustard said
I get the feeling that Trump is like Disney's Prince John.

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You owe Disney's Prince John an apology.

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While I believe that the whole take a knee thing is pointless and I understand why Trump feels that way as it's considered disrespectful to the US to do such a thing I agree with @Ron Nasty in that they're constitutionally allowed to do so and are not causing any harm so it'd be wrong to fire them.

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I recently caught a lot of flak on "another form of social media" for saying, basically, America is about freedom and that includes the idiocy being discussed here.

I'm conservative. I'm a veteran. I didn't vote for Trump (or Clinton... but I did vote). So I came across a post that read that the men and women who died for our freedoms didn't do it so athletes could kneel during the national anthem.  I took exception and said "Yes, they did. That's exactly what they did" and suffered some backlash.

Okay, I didn't suffer.

On top of all this is the fact that these "protests" aren't against the flag, the anthem or anything other than trying to bring attention to the rampant negative profiling of African-Americans by law enforcement agencies.  And, truthfully, some of those agencies could do with some serious situational training and some damned serious psychological screenings of their officers.

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Anyway, none of this crap belongs at a football game.  Thanks to social media, we can't seem to keep our politics out of places where it doesn't belong.

Like on a Beatles message board.  Okay, that's just being snarky.

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I didn't vote for Trump (or Clinton

Which in the US means you didnt vote. Because of how the voting system for president works.

Personaly, I think places like a football game are great for politics, they are able to spread there message far and become talked about.

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I think we should reprise one of our older debates in this thread since many people new people have joined and old people left.

Who is the better guitar manufacturer, Fender or Gibson.

I prefer Fender for many reasons.

1. The headstock on a Gibson is angled too far back making it prone to cracking whereas a Fender doesn't even need to worry about that due to it's superior headstock design.

2. On a Gibson the neck is glued to the body whereas Fenders have a bolt on neck so if you break your neck (which ironically happens to Gibsons a lot more than Fenders) or if you just feel like swapping your neck out for a better one (such as putting a Fender neck on a Squier) all you have to do is unscrew the old neck and screw the new neck in whereas on a Gibson you'd have to go through a very tedious process that can easily go wrong requiring you to restart if it does and is something only an experienced luthier should do.

3. I prefer the single coils of a Fender over the humbuckers of a Gibson because when you buck the hum, you lose a little of the top end with it and while some Gibson/Epiphone guitars come with single coils, Gibson single coils AKA P90s aren't as bright as Fender single coils.

4. Fenders are a lot easier to convert for left handed use than Gibsons due to their straight bridge and reversible nut as opposed to Gibsons angled bridge and non-reversible nut.

5. Fender make a lot more left handed guitars than Gibson, particularly in the lower price range.

6. While most Gibson instruments only have 3 positions (neck humbucker/p90, both humbuckers/p90s, bridge humbucker/p90), a Fender Stratocaster has 5 (neck, neck humbucker, middle, bridge humbucker, bridge).

7. Gibsons (particularly the Les Paul) are a lot heavier than Fenders.

8. It's a lot easier to mod Fenders than Gibsons due to Fenders being top routed as opposed to rear routed.

9. Fender sells their guitars at a slightly cheaper price than Gibson's equivalent. For example, the Fender MIM Standard Stratocaster goes for $600 whereas the Gibson SG Special Faded goes for $700.

10. On a Fender Stratocaster they have the jack go in a special way which I really like as opposed to the coming out the side or front of the guitar like Gibson does.

Overall, I'd say Fender for electric guitars but Gibson for acoustic guitars.

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I choose neither Fender nor Gibson for an acoustic and I choose Fender for an electric. 

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Fender 'cause I'm biased as hell. a-hard-days-night-george-4

Though for acoustic, I'd choose Gibson.

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I'd just pick a guitar.

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How about a Beatles themed debate. What Beatle-y instrument would you rather own.

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A Mellotron, as used on Strawberry Fields Forever .

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Or a sitar, as used on Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown).

I'd go for the Mellotron because I like how it can reproduce so many different types of sounds such as strings and brass.

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A Mellotron seems like it would be a fun instrument to play around with.

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I'll pick a sitar to be diffrent.

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