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Cancelled Yellow Submarine EP
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http://lostmedia.wikia.com/wik.....celled_EP)

Supposedly, there was going to be an EP based off the Yellow Submarine movie which would've contained just the original tracks (and Across The Universe , which wasn't in the movie), but instead The Beatles just decided to make a full album instead. Though I do enjoy the album, I feel that it is cheap and rushed (they used two tracks that were already on previous albums) and I hate that there is only one track on side 2 that even contains a Beatle (George plays either sitar or tambura on Sea Of Time ). If this was released as an EP, than it would make more sense than as an album. Can anybody tell me more about this canned release.

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What specifically do you want to know more about? The question is pretty vague. 

Honestly, I don't think there's a whole lot more to know about it aside from what is in the link above. 

 

Here's a slightly more detailed write-up from a record collecting website:

 

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On 17 January 1969 the new Beatles album, Yellow Submarine , was released; but it was only half a Beatles album. There were six Beatles tracks on the A Side and George Martin’s score for the film on the B Side.

At the time of the album’s release The Beatles were mildly criticised for giving less than their excellent value for money. There were only four “new” songs on the album, as both Yellow Submarine and All You Need Is Love had been released earlier on singles. This criticism apparently prompted the group to compile an EP featuring not only the four “new” songs but also the previously unreleased Across The Universe . Due to the length of It’s All Too Much (6 minutes 26 seconds) and the added bonus track, the EP would run at 33 1/3 rpm rather than the standard 45 rpm for EPs.

A mono master tape for the EP was compiled at EMI’s Abbey Road on 13 March 1969 by Edward Gadsby-Toni with the following line-up of mono mixes:

 

A Side:

Only A Northern Song – 21 April 1967 mix

Hey Bulldog – 11 February 1968 mix

Across The Universe – 8 February 1968 mix

 

B Side:

All Together Now – 12 May 1967 mix

It’s All Too Much – 16 October 1968 mix

 

The EP was never issued.

 

With acknowledgement to Mark Lewisohn, Bruce Spizer and Frank Daniels.

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An EP containing the new songs had been considered for release in September 1968, but any plan to issue the soundtrack music from Yellow Submarine was then postponed to allow for the White Album 's unveiling. Following the delayed release of the soundtrack album, however, Lewisohn writes that the Beatles were "mildly criticised" for having ceded a full LP side to Martin's music and thereby failing to provide their customary "excellent value-for-money". As a result, the band considered issuing Yellow Submarine as a five-track mono EP, without the film score but including the then-unreleased "Across The Universe " as a bonus track. This EP was mastered in March 1969 but never issued. The original running order for the EP was "Only A Northern Song ", "Hey Bulldog " and "Across The Universe " on side one, with "All Together Now " and "It's All Too Much " on side two.

Lennon later dismissed Martin's contributions as "all this terrible shit" and blamed Brian Epstein, the Beatles' manager, for allowing Martin to participate in the project. According to author and music journalist Peter Doggett, neither the proposed EP format nor an expanded soundtrack album (containing other previously issued Beatles songs that appear in the 1968 film) was possible at the time, since "both options would have denied George Martin his contractual right to appear alongside The Beatles – and robbed him of potentially the largest royalty payment of his career."

From Lewisohn's book 'The Beatles Recording Sessions'

The Beatles was mildly criticised at the time of this LP release for giving less than their usually excellent value-for-money. Lovely though George Martin's score was, fans of the group were having to buy a full-price album for just four "new" songs by the group (even the most recent was 11 months old), two of the six titles - Yellow Submarine itself and All You Need Is Love - having long been released. The group evidently took the criticism to heart, for there remains in the EMI library a master tape for a seven-inch mono EP, to run at LP speed, 33 1 / 3 rpm, compiled and banded on 13 March 1969 by Abbey Road employee Edward Gadsby-Toni, with the following line-up: Side A: Only A Northern Song ; Hey Bulldog ; Across The Universe . Side B: All Together Now ; It's All Too Much . (Note the bonus inclusion of Across The Universe , long finished and mixed but, as of March 1969, still awaiting issue on the World Wildlife Fund charity album.)

The EP was never issued. Perhaps the Beatles, never too enamoured with any part of the Yellow Submarine project, felt that they were better off washing their hands of the whole affair.

All five mixes were released on the 2-CD set 'Mono Masters' in 2009.

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From wiki

An EP containing the new songs had been considered for release in September 1968, but any plan to issue the soundtrack music from Yellow Submarine was then postponed to allow for the White Album 's unveiling. Following the delayed release of the soundtrack album, however, Lewisohn writes that the Beatles were "mildly criticised" for having ceded a full LP side to Martin's music and thereby failing to provide their customary "excellent value-for-money". As a result, the band considered issuing Yellow Submarine as a five-track mono EP, without the film score but including the then-unreleased "Across The Universe " as a bonus track. This EP was mastered in March 1969 but never issued. The original running order for the EP was "Only A Northern Song ", "Hey Bulldog " and "Across The Universe " on side one, with "All Together Now " and "It's All Too Much " on side two.

Lennon later dismissed Martin's contributions as "all this terrible shit" and blamed Brian Epstein, the Beatles' manager, for allowing Martin to participate in the project. According to author and music journalist Peter Doggett, neither the proposed EP format nor an expanded soundtrack album (containing other previously issued Beatles songs that appear in the 1968 film) was possible at the time, since "both options would have denied George Martin his contractual right to appear alongside The Beatles – and robbed him of potentially the largest royalty payment of his career."

From Lewisohn's book 'The Beatles Recording Sessions'

The Beatles was mildly criticised at the time of this LP release for giving less than their usually excellent value-for-money. Lovely though George Martin's score was, fans of the group were having to buy a full-price album for just four "new" songs by the group (even the most recent was 11 months old), two of the six titles - Yellow Submarine itself and All You Need Is Love - having long been released. The group evidently took the criticism to heart, for there remains in the EMI library a master tape for a seven-inch mono EP, to run at LP speed, 33 1 / 3 rpm, compiled and banded on 13 March 1969 by Abbey Road employee Edward Gadsby-Toni, with the following line-up: Side A: Only A Northern Song ; Hey Bulldog ; Across The Universe . Side B: All Together Now ; It's All Too Much . (Note the bonus inclusion of Across The Universe , long finished and mixed but, as of March 1969, still awaiting issue on the World Wildlife Fund charity album.)

The EP was never issued. Perhaps the Beatles, never too enamoured with any part of the Yellow Submarine project, felt that they were better off washing their hands of the whole affair.

All five mixes were released on the 2-CD set 'Mono Masters' in 2009.  

Thanks meanmistermustard, I sure wish they released the album as an EP (maybe add The Inner Light and call it a double EP). Also, was I right about George playing sitar on Sea Of Time or was it someone else.

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Wasn't the EP market pretty much dead by the time of late 1968? According to wiki

EPs "died out in the late 1960s" and Record Retailer reduced the chart to ten positions on 16 April 1966, publishing the final EP chart on 16 December 1967.

I suppose they would just release it and it would go into the singles chart.

And the EP almost certainly wouldnt have seen a US release as there definitely wasn't any interest in them (think 'MMT') so what would they do for there? Compile another 'MMT' this time adding the 1968 a and b sides? 

Side 1

  1. Hey Bulldog
  2. Only A Northern Song
  3. Across The Universe
  4. All Together Now
  5. It’s All Too Much

Side 2

  1. Lady Madonna
  2. The Inner Light
  3. Revolution
  4. Hey Jude

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Wasn't the EP market pretty much dead by the time of late 1968? According to wiki

EPs "died out in the late 1960s" and Record Retailer reduced the chart to ten positions on 16 April 1966, publishing the final EP chart on 16 December 1967.

I suppose they would just release it and it would go into the singles chart.

And the EP almost certainly wouldnt have seen a US release as there definitely wasn't any interest in them (think 'MMT') so what would they do for there? Compile another 'MMT' this time adding the 1968 a and b sides?

Side 1
1. Hey Bulldog
2.
Only A Northern Song
3.
Across The Universe
4.
All Together Now
5.
It’s All Too Much

Side 2

1. Lady Madonna
2.
The Inner Light
3.
Revolution
4.
Hey Jude

Would kill the 1970 'Hey Jude ' album concept which makes you wonder what Klein would do to generate cash for Apple and himself.  

Good point, though here's how I'd put it (though they'd me more likely to put it your way):

Side 1: (songs from the film)

1. Only A Northern Song

2. All Together Now

4. Hey Bulldog (even though it would confuse the hell out of us, like I'll Cry Instead in the US version of A Hard Day's Night (it was cut at the last minute))

3. It's All Too Much

Side 2: (previously unreleased songs (remember, they still have to release Hey Jude , so I didn't put any of those songs in here))

1. The Inner Light

2. From Me To You

3. Misery

4. There's A Place

5. I'm Down

Bonus 7-inch: (similar to Songs In The Key Of Life by Stevie Wonder)

Side 1. Across The Universe

Side 2. You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)

Also, you've got to admit that it was stupid on Capitol's part to release 2 EP's called Four By The Beatles.

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The Beatles would have to sanction the release so wouldn't approve tracks like 'Misery ' and 'From Me To You ' as they weren't their current sound (this was done before by Brian, in late 1964 and in the US market, so there is precedent).

Only the basic tracks of 'You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)' had been recorded, all vocals were added in 1969, so the track wasn't in a releasable state.

'Hey Jude ' b/w 'Revolution ' was released in August 1968, the EP/LP would have been issued in September 1968. Adding the two tracks would surely increase sales and promote the album.

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The Beatles would have to sanction the release so wouldn't approve tracks like 'Misery ' and 'From Me To You ' as they weren't their current sound (this was done before by Brian, in late 1964 and in the US market, so there is precedent).

Only the basic tracks of 'You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)' had been recorded, all vocals were added in 1969, so the track wasn't in a releasable state.

'Hey Jude ' b/w 'Revolution ' was released in August 1968, the EP/LP would have been issued in September 1968. Adding the two tracks would surely increase sales and promote the album.  

What they really should have done was replaced Can You Take Me Back, Revolution 9 , and Good Night on The Beatles with Revolution and Hey Jude .

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I was incorrect, the EP was scheduled for a March 1969 instead of September 1968 due to the 'White Album ' coming out in November 1968. It bugged me due to the criticism of the LP. Tho it does mean an EP release was twice considered which I never got despite reading it enough times a-hard-days-night-ringo-12.

John would never have conceded to 'Revolution 9 ' being dropped from the White Album , it took the others enough effort to see the back of 'What's The New Mary Jane '. 'Good Night ' was Ringo's second vocal therefore required for balance as it was a 2 LP set.

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Well it couldn't have just been the original songs, because the Yellow Submarine song would have to be on the Yellow Submarine album for commercial reasons.

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Are those bootlegs? @Bongo 

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Those are most certainly bootlegs, although it would be nice if Apple decided to make a repro. I personally think that they should've done it this way all along and that adding Yellow Submarine and the B-side was a waste of time and stupid on their part. They could've even did a double EP, similar to Magical Mystery Tour , and added a couple of more songs, although I hate double EP's. Also, if they released it as an EP in the UK, they would've released it the same way in the US as we know it.

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sgtpepper63 said

meanmistermustard said
Wasn't the EP market pretty much dead by the time of late 1968? According to wiki

EPs "died out in the late 1960s" and Record Retailer reduced the chart to ten positions on 16 April 1966, publishing the final EP chart on 16 December 1967.

I suppose they would just release it and it would go into the singles chart.

And the EP almost certainly wouldnt have seen a US release as there definitely wasn't any interest in them (think 'MMT') so what would they do for there? Compile another 'MMT' this time adding the 1968 a and b sides?
Side 1
1. Hey Bulldog
2.
Only A Northern Song
3.
Across The Universe
4.
All Together Now
5.
It’s All Too Much
Side 2

1. Lady Madonna
2.
The Inner Light
3.
Revolution
4.
Hey Jude
Would kill the 1970 'Hey Jude ' album concept which makes you wonder what Klein would do to generate cash for Apple and himself.  

Good point, though here's how I'd put it (though they'd me more likely to put it your way):

Side 1: (songs from the film)

1. Only A Northern Song

2. All Together Now

4. Hey Bulldog (even though it would confuse the hell out of us, like I'll Cry Instead in the US version of A Hard Day's Night (it was cut at the last minute))

3. It's All Too Much

Side 2: (previously unreleased songs (remember, they still have to release Hey Jude , so I didn't put any of those songs in here))

1. The Inner Light

2. From Me To You

3. Misery

4. There's A Place

5. I'm Down

Bonus 7-inch: (similar to Songs In The Key Of Life by Stevie Wonder)

Side 1. Across The Universe

Side 2. You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)

Also, you've got to admit that it was stupid on Capitol's part to release 2 EP's called Four By The Beatles.  

meanmistermustard said
Wasn't the EP market pretty much dead by the time of late 1968? According to wiki

EPs "died out in the late 1960s" and Record Retailer reduced the chart to ten positions on 16 April 1966, publishing the final EP chart on 16 December 1967.

I suppose they would just release it and it would go into the singles chart.

And the EP almost certainly wouldnt have seen a US release as there definitely wasn't any interest in them (think 'MMT') so what would they do for there? Compile another 'MMT' this time adding the 1968 a and b sides? 

Side 1

    1. Hey Bulldog
    1. Only A Northern Song
    1. Across The Universe
    1. All Together Now
    1. It’s All Too Much

Side 2

    1. Lady Madonna
    1. The Inner Light
    1. Revolution
    1. Hey Jude

Would kill the 1970 'Hey Jude ' album concept which makes you wonder what Klein would do to generate cash for Apple and himself.  

Interesting idea... I think some sort of Long Player would have made more sense than an EP, sans the orchestral tracks on the issued version. Maybe throw in You Know My Name (look up the number) as well? It would fit in with the vibe of the album, and I guess All You Need Is Love as well, as it plays such a big part in the film's climax. But leave off Revolution and Hey Jude . And of course, add Yellow Submarine .

A Side:

1. Yellow Submarine

2. Only A Northern Song

3. Hey Bulldog

4. All Together Now

5. It's All Too Much  

B Side:

1. All You Need Is Love

2. Lady Madonna

3. The Inner Light

4. Across The Universe

5. You Know My Name (look up the number)

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Why add Yellow Submarine , it's already on Revolver in both the UK and US.

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Why add Yellow Submarine , it's already on Revolver in both the UK and US.  

It would be confusing to have a film and album called YS but not include the song. They did it anyway on the released version. So it only makes sense to include it on a hypothetical version.

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I guess so but I hate the idea of using repeats on albums, could it be an alternate version or be the version with the cut out intro.

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I guess so but I hate the idea of using repeats on albums, could it be an alternate version or be the version with the cut out intro.  

I agree about repeats but I think YS and AYNIL would both be used for their prominence in the film as well as to round out the album. And the alternate version of YS would be cool.

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