9.46pm
8 August 2019
WITH THE BEATLES (1963) AVERAGED RANK
This is a copy paste:
I decided to go on a task of continuing and updating list of every post averaged in the thread to create a decent ranking of the tracks off every album. In this case With the Beatles. I clarify my process and rules below.
1 – It Won’t Be Long (408 points)
2 – All My Loving (407 points)
3 – All I’ve Got to Do (382 points)
4 – Please Mr. Postman (336 points)
5 – Till There Was You (327 points)
6 – You Really Got a Hold on Me (317 points)
7 – Money (That’s What I Want) (291 points)
8 – Don’t Bother Me (278 points)
9 – Not a Second Time (234 points)
10 – Devil in Her Heart (233 points)
11 – Roll Over Beethoven (223 points)
12 – I Wanna Be Your Man (184 points)
13 – Hold Me Tight (165 points)
14 – Little Child (93 points)
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Averaging process and rules:
A pretty classic averaging system; it goes basically by giving the maximum amount of points to the top track on every post (in this case 13) and as the list progresses into the “worst” tracks each track gets one point less. The last track gets no points. For this to apply the post must have the 14 With the Beatles songs ranked.
IMPORTANT: if you think one of your rankings might have one of these ambiguous qualities that might disqualify it and you want to be counted in the averaging DON’T edit it; post it again with more detail, otherwise I won’t be able to subtract the points and add them again and it won’t be counted anyway.
Particular cases:
-NO. 1- Sometimes if there is a track missing but there’s a written clarification, it can be counted. In the case of Abbey Road , for instance, some people don’t count Her Majesty . In that case I count the post and give no points to Her Majesty only if there is a written statement of why its missing. If one track is missing and the post doesn’t have any written clarification then it is considered a mistake and therefore disqualified.
-NO. 2- The tracklist considered is taken out of the Wikipedia/RYM/Discogs “official” tracklists. This means those who rank the Abbey Road Medley as a whole don’t get counted unless they clarify by writing that the tracks separately also rank that way, same with any variation of the sort.
-NO. 3- If a person implies to a previous post that “that would exactly be [their] ranking” and don’t post any ranking themselves, then the points of the first person will be added a second time in behalf of the second person.
-NO. 4- Only one person each ranking. If you posted several times your changes, only the last one will be counted (unless it has any mistakes, missing tracks, etc., in that case then the last one that has no issues will be the one counted).
-NO. 5- The rankings are considered given the numbers apply to them, “1” universally represents the top spot. Unless there is a written statement that clarifies it’s the other way around, this is the way it will be counted.
-NO. 6- If there are no numbers on the ranking and no written clarification it could go either way. At first I used to think the ones at the top were the number 1 spot but in some cases it just isn’t that way. So I decided I’ll just grab the worst rated track up to that point and I see if it falls on the top half or the bottom half. If it falls on the top half I’ll consider the bottom half the top spot and if it falls on the bottom half then I’ll consider the top half the top spot. It might be unfair at times as it might reverse someones’ ranking if they are unlucky by voting positively a previously negatively voted track, but in the grand scheme of things I think it was mostly accurate. In case that the number of tracks is odd (A Hard Day’s Night , Sgt. Pepper ‘s Lonely Hearts Club Band, Magical Mystery Tour , Yellow Submarine ‘s Side B & Abbey Road ) and the worst rated track falls in precisely the middle spot then I just take the second to worst rated and judge as to where that one falls.
-NO. 7- If there are “ties” in someone’s ranking their ranking can still be counted but it won’t represent exactly the ties in the overall averaging. If there is still a list-like format then I go from the bottom to the top adding points just like usual, so tied tracks can get different scores but just differing in one single point or two (unless you tie like 5 tracks together), but I think it’s more fair than not letting those people participate at all. It might seem unfair but if the tied tracks were to get the same points, it would increasingly leave an averaging gap between those songs so it’s mathematically better to just stick to the original adding process.
-NO. 8- If there are two tracks that are “tied” then I will just give more points to the one that is named first, regardless of descriptions, just to keep the whole thing going. Unless there’s a specific written clarification of why one of the tracks is better or more of a favourite, then I’ll just give more points to the one named first.
-NO. 9- However, if there’s a tie between three tracks (or more) then that post will no longer be counted unless the list has a specific ranking format in which case see item “-NO. 7-“.
-NO. 10- I guess that if someone doesn’t want to be counted in the averaging he can ask me not to count him in but I hope nobody does that so we get his opinion too
All of these rules are up to debate if someone disagrees with part of the judgement. I’m sure we can reach an agreement if they are considered questionable.
IMPORTANT: if you think one of your rankings might have one of these ambiguous qualities that might disqualify it and you want to be counted in the averaging DON’T edit it; post it again with more detail, otherwise I won’t be able to subtract the points and add them again and it won’t be counted anyway.
Also here’s a playlist with the results from worst to best in case you want to see how effective it proves in practice (I’ll try edit these as well):
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5.18am
28 January 2013
Considering that this song is probably one of the most underrated albums, this will be interesting to see the lists from everyone.
Heres my list
13. You Really Got To Hold On Me
12. Don’t Bother Me
11. Money
10. Little Child
And if you saw my love, I'll love her to.
11.10pm
8 August 2013
Oooh this looks like fun, i’ll have a go!
14. Little Child
13. Hold Me Tight
10. All My Loving
3. Money
1. You Really Got A Hold On Me
That was a lot harder than I thought! I realised that I really really love this album!
7.13pm
14 September 2013
1. Money
2. It Won’t Be Long
3. All My Loving
4. All I’ve Got To Do
5. Please Mr. Postman
6. You Really Got A Hold On Me
7. Not A Second Time
8. Roll Over Beethoven
9. Til There Was You
10. Hold Me Tight
11. Little Child
12. I Wanna Be Your Man
13. Devil In Her Heart
14. Don’t Bother Me
I love this album. It is criminally underrated. With The Beatles does a much better job than PPM of capturing the spirit and sound of the early Beatles.
7.22pm
14 January 2013
12.09am
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1 November 2013
4. Money
10. You’ve Really Got A Hold On Me
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4.13am
24 July 2014
I mean, I like Rock N’ Roll man, I don’t like much else.
2.41am
28 March 2014
11.26pm
1 August 2014
2. You Really Got A Hold On Me
4. Please Mr Postman
6. Money (That’s What I Want)
11. Hold Me Tight
13. Don’t Bother Me
14. Little Child
10.08pm
10 August 2014
I’m gonna add an “And why” to each song as well!
1. All My Loving – One of my favorite early Beatle songs, and though it doesn’t hold a candle to I Saw Her Standing There , it’s still absolutely incredible. John’s triplet chords are as difficult as all hell to play correctly, George’s awesome solo shows lots of country picking influence, and the bass line is very interesting from the bass man. The harmonies in the last verse are fun as well. Great tune all around.
2. All I’ve Got To Do – I would put this as one of the most underrated early Beatle tracks of all time. The linear drumming from Ringo and bass chords from Paul really shine as creative concepts which I felt should have been explored more. One of my favorite early Beatle tracks.
3. It Won’t Be Long – This album had three brilliant songs up front. Full of explosive energy and driving force, plus a great guitar riff, this song punches you right in the face at the start of the album and doesn’t let up for the entire 2:14.
4. Please Mister Postman – I’ve heard people say that this pro forma cover of the Marvellettes song is a bit by the numbers and thus unworthy of praise. I disagree. This song is great, and certainly the best cover on the album. John’s vocals really conveys the angst one might feel, and the backing vocals by Paul and George are just great. I could listen to this song all day long.
5. You Really Got A Hold On Me – Smokey Robinson can write a song, and the Beatles can play a song. Winning combination all the way around. Even the off hand version from the Let it Be film captures the same vibe. Imagine if they had taken it seriously, re recording the track with Billy Preston on keys. Fantastic.
6. ‘Till There Was You – Paul has the most beautiful voice of the band, and it shines through here. Such a pretty song, and George’s solo takes it away.
7. Roll Over Beethoven – Chuck Berry’s version is better. Even so, the Beatles make it rock. Personally, the best version of this song I have heard comes from the Washington Coliseum show in ’64. Technical difficulties aside, that one is even better than Chuck Berry’s version, in my opinion.
8. Devil In Her Heart – A nice track. I like the Live At The BBC Version better. Still good.
9. I Wanna Be Your Man – Ringo rips it up on this rocker. Still, this one sounds dated, moreso than other tracks on the record.
10. Money – Not my favorite version of Barry Gordy’s hit, but passable. If any track was done pro forma on this album, this is it. I prefer the version played by Lennon at the 1969 Toronto concert simply because it places the song in a different light, a much heavier, raunchier light. This version still features a great vocal performance by John, better than the Toronto one, by far.
12. Don’t Bother Me – I hate to place this song so low, since I love George’s compositions, but this one is just too early. There is no indication on this track that the author would eventually release Something , Here Comes The Sun , and All Things Must Pass . He probably should have worked on this one a little more.
13. Not A Second Time – I had to go back and listen to this one. It’s just unmemorable to me, not necessarily bad, but nothing special either.
14. Hold Me Tight – Same boat as Not A Second Time . Not a terrible song, but just unmemorable. The chorus feels like it might go somewhere, but then never does.
15. Little Child – Feels like a hold over from Please Please Me . I dislike this song, mostly for the harmonica.
I hope I wasn’t too hard on this record. I really do love it, and I consider it to be an early gem of the Beatles, often overlooked for its superior successor A Hard Day’s Night . Great music from a great band.
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5.26am
8 January 2015
- You Really Got A Hold On Me This is a great example of how the Beatles could cover a song in their own way. It actually doesn’t matter that it was written by someone else.
- All I’ve Got To Do Unsurpassable singing by John over the most deceptive backing, which is complete Ringo.
- It Won’t Be Long I just love that dumb guitar riff. And that middle eight.
- Please Mr Postman Again, what a great way to transplant Motown, perfect with Ringo’s swinging beat.
- Money (That’s What I Want) Completely off the wall, those backup vocals are freaky.
- All My Loving The lyrical idea is great but it gets a little rote for me.
- Till There Was You This is Paul reducing the room to puddles.
- Hold Me Tight Yeah its hokey. Yeah it’s fun.
- Roll Over Beethoven George’s song, everybody twist!
- I Wanna Be Your Man Not a great success and they gave it to the Stones too, so don’t know why it’s here other than they ran out of stuff.
- Devil In Her Heart The filler from here on out. All competently done and forgettable.
- Not A Second Time
- Don’t Bother Me
- Little Child
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2.23pm
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20 August 2013
ewe2 said
7. Till There Was You This is Paul reducing the room to puddles.”
I am all over that visual.
Thanks, @ewe2.
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12.03am
8 January 2015
Ahhh Girl said
ewe2 said
7. Till There Was You This is Paul reducing the room to puddles.”
I am all over that visual.
Thanks, @ewe2.
Heh, that was my scientific opinion based on the kind of ballads Paul writes and concerts full of screaming.
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9.14pm
26 February 2015
1. You Really Got A Hold On Me
4. Money (That’s What I Want)
5. Little Child
10. All My Loving
12. Hold Me Tight
4.16pm
27 March 2015
- Till There Was You
- It Won’t Be Long
- All My Loving
- Don’t Bother Me
- Hold Me Tight
- Please Mr. Postman
- Money
- Roll Over Beethoven
- You Really Got A Hold On Me
- I Wanna Be Your Man
- All I’ve Got To Do
- Not A Second Time
- Devil In Her Heart
- Little Child
That was harder than I thought. It really is a wonderful album. Then again, I adore all early Beatles albums. The later ones should be easier for me. Or not…
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10.54am
26 July 2011
1) All My Loving — terrific performance all around — great vocal by Paul, super rhythm work by John (he’s as underrated as a guitarist as George is as a writer), excellent C&W solo from George
2) Don’t Bother Me — one of George’s best-ever compositions — interesting rhythm, great vibe, I love the start-stop nature of the song
3) Money — there’s that fantastic Leathery Lennon Larynx screaming out of my speakers again
4) Please Mr Postman — another super cover — amazing how these guys could turn other people’s songs into Real Beatles Songs
5) Roll Over Beethoven — and another great cover
6) It Won’t Be Long — great album opener
7) All I’ve Gotta Do — reminds me of “Anna” on the first album — great vocal from John
8) I Wanna Be Your Man — I love the whole vibe of this song — perfectly matched to Ringo’s voice
9) You Really Got A Hold On Me — great version of Smoky Robinson’s classic
10) Til There Was You — I love the acoustic guitars in this, especially George’s solo
11) Hold Me Tight — I like the backing more than I do the vocal — not one of Paul’s best performances
12) Little Child — it’s okay but nothing special — I don’t think it was edited well either — the harmonica disappears awfully fast!
13) Not A Second Time — not the most memorable song on the album
14) Devil In Her Heart — an interesting recording but the song itself is a bit boring
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9.52pm
26 August 2015
1.All My Loving
2.Till There Was You
3.Dont Bother Me
4.Money
5.Hold Me Tight
6.Roll Over Beethoven
7.It Wont Be Long
8.Please Mr.Postman
9.You Really Got A Hold On Me
10.All I’ve Gotta Do
11.I Wanna Be Your Man
12.Not A Second Time
13.Devil In Her Heart
14.Little Child
Great Album, All I Can Say
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12.07pm
1 September 2015
Pretty good album!
3. You Really Got A Hold On Me
4. Money
7. All I’ve Gotta Do
11. Don’t Bother Me
14. Little Child
4.13pm
8 April 2016
- Please Mister Postman – I feel a little bad for putting a cover in the top spot, but I just love it. I really like John’s vocals on this one (as I do with almost every other early Beatles song on which Lennon sings).
- All I’ve Got To Do
- It Won’t Be Long
- You Really Got A Hold On Me
- All My Loving
- Money (That’s What I Want)
- Not A Second Time
- I Wanna Be Your Man
- Roll Over Beethoven
- Devil In Her Heart
- Little Child
- Don’t Bother Me – I wish I could place it higher, since it’s pretty good and also the first Beatles song (released at least) written by George.
- Hold Me Tight – There is really nothing special about this song, I think. Every other song on this album affects me emotionally in some way, while this one just is there.
- Till There Was You – There is so much in this song that just bothers me: the lyrics, the melody, the way Paul sings it (especially how he sings “sarrr them winging”). I know that it is supposed to be beautiful and romantic, but I just cannot relate to it.
9.48am
17 January 2016
4. Money (That’s What I Want)
10. Don’t Bother Me
11. You Really Got A Hold On Me
12. Hold Me Tight
13. Little Child
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