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White Album History Mystery?
1 November 2017
9.01am
Mr Buzzword
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I realise that this issue has possibly been dealt with on numerous occasions not only on this site but on a great deal more on the web. However, the more I research the issue the more confusing it becomes and this, i feel, is mostly down to the amount of conjecture offered up as opposed to sheer hard evidence. Anyway, bear with me and hear me out, Quite possibly, together, we may be able to answer some of those questions I have been trying to find answers to for years?

  • To start with, my take on album manufacture and distribution is as follows: -
  • In a lot of instances, especially with top selling artists, more than one pressing and printing plants would be used
  • That errors could be created and/or corrected at these plants as well as those created at the earlier recording and design stages.
  • I assume that the record covers and sleeves would need to be sent out to the various pressing plants where they would be held in storage in readiness for the album to be pressed.
  • Once the album and cover have been united, no doubt, these would be boxed up and placed in storage awaiting transportation to the distributers.
  • In the case of the the White Album we have significant advance orders (250,000+) which would probably entail a large amount of production and storage over a reasonable period of time.

My point is that because the White Album has a unique serial number on the cover the assumption would be that the associated records match the release indicated by the serial number. However, I would guess that they would probably go to the nearest box of album covers once pressing commenced. Which would mean that the very first records pressed may well get covers with a serial number far and away from the sequential order of the pressings. Obviously there was care taken with the first thousand or so for the the artists/management/promotion etc., but following on it would have been  on a far more abitrary basis. When they changed from top opening to side opening covers are we then certain that every record form the initial 1st pressing got placed into top opening covers or had a recent consignment of side opening covers pushed all the remaining top opening cover to the back of the queue. Do you see what I'm trying to get at. Add this to the amendments to the labels throughout the manufacture of this album and the permutations are considerable.

Now my copy, (although I am almost convinced is 2nd pressing stereo (1969) 3rd pressing including mono) there are some anomalies I would love to find answers to, the details are as follows:-

UK issue, side opening cover.

Serial Number: No 0113443 (this pressing should have a six figure serial number not seven and why are there so many more earlier first pressings with larger serial numbers?)

Matrices/Stampers: 1. Yex709-1 mother 00G further round 5 2. Yex710-1 mother GPT further round 0 3. Yex711-2 mother GLA further round 3 4. Yex712-2 mother GPD further round 3 (Could do with some advice on side one mother. I'm certain that the 00 is numeric not OO?)

Labels: All labels have "An EMI Recording" denoted on one line and have the "Sold in the UK..." statement removed on sides 1,2 & 3, however, shown on side 4. (Why does side 4 label still retain the"Sold in the UK..." statement whislt the other three labels have this statement removed?).

Would love to know if anyone has come across anything siimilar or could clarify some of my above questions.

2 November 2017
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Mr Buzzword said
UK issue, side opening cover.

Serial Number: No 0113443 (this pressing should have a six figure serial number not seven and why are there so many more earlier first pressings with larger serial numbers?)

Matrices/Stampers: 1. Yex709-1 mother 00G further round 5 2. Yex710-1 mother GPT further round 0 3. Yex711-2 mother GLA further round 3 4. Yex712-2 mother GPD further round 3 (Could do with some advice on side one mother. I'm certain that the 00 is numeric not OO?)

Labels: All labels have "An EMI Recording" denoted on one line and have the "Sold in the UK..." statement removed on sides 1,2 & 3, however, shown on side 4. (Why does side 4 label still retain the"Sold in the UK..." statement whislt the other three labels have this statement removed?).

Would love to know if anyone has come across anything siimilar or could clarify some of my above questions.  

Keep in mind that over it's 49 years of existence, many of these records have been swapped in & out of different jackets, especially since online selling has grown. Someone with a low numbered album could have found better condition records to replace their original records, or a better jacket replaced a torn jacket, etc....

Then you have someone who finds a low number stereo jacket, but adds his mono records to it. The original UK top loading jackets didn't say stereo or mono on the cover.

This is just a few examples of what could have changed in 49 years.

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2 November 2017
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Bongo said

Mr Buzzword said
UK issue, side opening cover.

Serial Number: No 0113443 (this pressing should have a six figure serial number not seven and why are there so many more earlier first pressings with larger serial numbers?)

Matrices/Stampers: 1. Yex709-1 mother 00G further round 5 2. Yex710-1 mother GPT further round 0 3. Yex711-2 mother GLA further round 3 4. Yex712-2 mother GPD further round 3 (Could do with some advice on side one mother. I'm certain that the 00 is numeric not OO?)

Labels: All labels have "An EMI Recording" denoted on one line and have the "Sold in the UK..." statement removed on sides 1,2 & 3, however, shown on side 4. (Why does side 4 label still retain the"Sold in the UK..." statement whislt the other three labels have this statement removed?).

Would love to know if anyone has come across anything siimilar or could clarify some of my above questions.  

Keep in mind that over it's 49 years of existence, many of these records have been swapped in & out of different jackets, especially since online selling has grown. Someone with a low numbered album could have found better condition records to replace their original records, or a better jacket replaced a torn jacket, etc....

Then you have someone who finds a low number stereo jacket, but adds his mono records to it. The original UK top loading jackets didn't say stereo or mono on the cover.

This is just a few examples of what could have changed in 49 years.  

I can vouch for this happening. My own complete numbered stereo and mono are made up from one stereo and two mono numbered sets. A photo from the second mono completed the stereo, and a poster swap gave it a better poster; while the mono is made up of the second disc of the first numbered mono I got, along with the poster and three of the photographs, with the sleeve (lower numbered and in good condition), one photograph, and the first disc of the second version I got.

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2 November 2017
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Yes, Bongo, that is another issue that makes an assessment of which particular version you might be attempting to purchase that much more difficult. However, a combination of both the matrices and the labels amendments should usually help in matching the actual record pressing with the sleeve. As another question regarding my side opening copy there is no Stereo indicated on the cover? I know of and have seen similar stereo side opening copies up for auction around the same range of serial numbers as mine and they all seem to have the omission of the "Sold in the UK..." statement. This is what I have been led to believe is correct for the 2nd stereo pressing. So my question is why were these obviously later side opening copies manufactured with serial numbers lower than a lot of the earlier pressings were allocated. My side opener should only have a six figure serial number as they dropped the seven figure number for this version and my side 4 should not have the "Sold in the UK..." statement?

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