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You have some good pointsl, however I will further explain the last two:

In the US, it is harder to get original UK LP's than US LP's.

My older brother spent a lot of money on the Anthology 1 -3 vinyl and there are some good songs in there (Strawberry Fields Forever (Take 7) and a more bluesier version of Helter Skelter are some examples).

Also, I don't consider stuff like Love Me Do (Ringo) or Sie Leibt Dich new tracks because they are very similar to the original (If Sie Leibt Dich wasn't She Loves You in greman, I would have no idea what they were saying. Also, Komm Gib Nir Deine Hand has the same problem). If I was taking out unnecessary tracks, I'd take out Revolution 9 , Good Night , You Know My Name (Look Up the Number), Wild Honey Pie , Her Majesty , Dig It , Maggie Mae , and Can You Take Me Back.

Also, If it wasn't for stuff like Capitol, Ed Sullivan, Yellow Submarine , and the TV show, a lot of us Americans wouldn't know who The Beatles are.

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The original 'Love Me Do ' was Ringo on drums which isn't on 'Please Please Me ' or whatever US variation is the go to, it was also the first released.

The German tracks I totally agree with however I guess its how you (plural you not singular) view it all. For me I would be after it all in some way and don't view any of the tracks as unnecessary, if anything it would be far easier to argue 'Revolution 9 ' is more important and significant a track in the Beatles history than a number of others; eg 'When I Get Home ', 'Tell Me What You See ', 'Baby You're A Rich Man ', 'Matchbox ', 'Dig A Pony ' (as I always say 'Revolution 9 ' should not be viewed in the same light as any other Beatles recording as it is a musical collage not a song and for that reason it bugs me when it gets voted as the worst Beatles song).

I dont get what the last sentence has to do with the albums. 

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I understand your point of view on Ringo's version of Love Me Do . However, it is too similar to me to be considered it's own song. As for Revolution 9 , when I was a kid, I didn't like it, but now, I kind of do. Every time you hear it, you hear something new. The only problem I have with it is that it could be scary for younger viewers and remember, The Beatles were like the 60's version of The Wiggles to people born from about 1958 to 1967 (including me, my older brother, and all of our friends). Finally, what I meant by the final sentence is that without the Capitol albums, us American fans wouldn't know who The Beatles were. Also, Good Night is my least favorite Beatles song because it ends The Beatles, which is such a great album on a bad note.

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@sgtpepper63 said:
Finally, what I meant by the final sentence is that without the Capitol albums, us American fans wouldn't know who The Beatles were.

I would have to disagree with an aspect of that. American fans of that generation know The Beatles via the Capitol albums, but they would know who they were with or without Capitol. In fact, unless Mark Lewisohn rewrites our understanding about 400 pages into Volume 2, Capitol had little to nothing to do with The Beatles breaking America.

Had Capitol not reluctantly agreed to release I Want To Hold Your Hand , exactly the same would have happened as had happened throughout 1963 in the US: A deal would have been with another label to release it, probably along with a US version of the With The Beatles album; it may even have been a long-term contract as the Vee-Jay contract was before it went belly-up.

Were Capitol planning to release it or not, Marsha Albert would still have written her letter to DJ Carroll James, and James would still have had a Parlophone copy of the single flown in by BOAC.

Ed Sullivan was already booked. Capitol had agreed to release in mid-January to capitalise.

They had to bring the release forward because via James in Washington and DJs in Chicago and St. Louis broke the song in mid-December. Capitol even threatened them with legal action to try and get it stopped being played.

The Beatles broke America with any involvement from a record company. All any record company that had anything Beatles they could release could do was hang on by the seat of their pants with the demand that was about to hit them. Capitol just happened to have agreed to use their option at that time. We could just as easily be talking about, say, the Swan albums, and still shaking our heads at Capitol's stupidity at turning them down ("They will never do anything in this market," ranking alongside Dick Rowe's "Guitar groups are on their way out. Stick to selling records in Liverpool, Mr. Epstein," as among the stupidest business observations ever made).

The Beatles music broke America without record company help. Capitol was just the route the music came. America would still know them were it another label.

Hope that kind of makes sense.

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You're 100% right, though I feel that anything before Sgt. Pepper could be scrambled up and put in almost any order and be called a good album. Sgt. Pepper , on the other hand I feel is an album that has only one order to be played in and I feel the target audience was people 10 and under (instead of the typical 10-30 year olds), I feel the albums released after Sgt. Pepper would also sound messed up with scrambled tracklisting (except maybe Let It Be ), and that Yellow Submarine and Magical Mystery Tour 's main audience was also people 10 and under.

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I understand your point of view on Ringo's version of Love Me Do . However, it is too similar to me to be considered it's own song. As for Revolution 9 , when I was a kid, I didn't like it, but now, I kind of do. Every time you hear it, you hear something new. The only problem I have with it is that it could be scary for younger viewers and remember, The Beatles were like the 60's version of The Wiggles to people born from about 1958 to 1967 (including me, my older brother, and all of our friends). Finally, what I meant by the final sentence is that without the Capitol albums, us American fans wouldn't know who The Beatles were. Also, Good Night is my least favorite Beatles song because it ends The Beatles, which is such a great album on a bad note.  

That was a false representation of the band tho, the Beatles were taking drugs, screwing like mad wherever it was available (especially on tour), taking the piss out of interviewers, openly hostile to/bored with the press and who knows what else along with the nice clean image that is often portrayed. It was just not reported due to Brian making deals with the press and damn good marketing.

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I personally think that when they were taking the most drugs (1966/1967) was when they were the most kid oriented. I personally think that Sgt. Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band was made for 5 year olds. Also, Don't think that characters from little kids shows are all goody goody under the scenes either, remember when the voice of Elmo got into some big trouble. Don't forget, A song like She Loves You is appropriate for a 2 year old, unlike a song like F*** The Police. So overall, here's some reccomendations for you to realize that The Beatles were not just for the 10-30 age group but also the 10 and under group as well:

Listen to the Revolver , Sgt. Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Magical Mystery Tour , and Yellow Submarine albums, watch The Beatles TV Show and Yellow Submarine (In my opinion the series finale of the TV show), and notice how many Beatles fans there are born in between 1958 and 1967 who were into them when they first came out.

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Listen to the Revolver , Sgt. Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Magical Mystery Tour , and Yellow Submarine albums, watch The Beatles TV Show and Yellow Submarine (In my opinion the series finale of the TV show), and notice how many Beatles fans there are born in between 1958 and 1967 who were into them when they first came out.  

Love You To is for kids?

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sgtpepper63 said
I personally think the unedited 1964-1970 US stereo releases are the best because that's what I remember growing up, but I want to see what you have to say.

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I had to laugh when you included a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 this one as one of the best... Barely listenable more than once! paul-mccartney  

Sometimes for a shits & giggles, I’ll play the Capitol box sets in my iTunes, just to remind me how bad Capitol did things!  

I still laugh how the U.S. A Hard Day’s Night & Help ! albums only have half Beatles songs... Rip-off!!!

I wish I could agree with you buddy, since I too grew up with the Capitols records, but always had a distain for them once I learned they were different, and it’s reasons. I really don’t miss the dexterized versions.  

So much so, that I sold all mine off, NO REGRETS! Including my 3 minty mint copies of our very own Canadian Capitol albums. Those 3 (mono only) LPs were not dexterized, but UK mixes!

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Listen to the Revolver , Sgt. Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Magical Mystery Tour , and Yellow Submarine albums, watch The Beatles TV Show and Yellow Submarine (In my opinion the series finale of the TV show), and notice how many Beatles fans there are born in between 1958 and 1967 who were into them when they first came out.  

Love You To is for kids?  

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(He is about to rip open his ballsack and eat his testicles, all in a childish way)

Than I can call a song like "Day Tripper " or "Love You To " with a couple of sex innuendos "for kids"

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P.S. that brief clip is why I don't let my kid watch Cartoon Network, and this is coming from a man who took his sons who were 6 and 7 at the time to see Alien 3 in the movie theatre.

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In all honesty and respect, if we ignore nostalgia and memories, the original UK mono releases are the best (except for Helter Skelter , that song sucks in mono). However, the memories associated with the music for me makes me Team America.

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Love You To is for kids?

Depends on the kid. Most kids I know are blissfully oblivious of the fact that the singer offers (quite politely) to have sex before he gets too old-- until quite recently, I never could properly hear what was being sung anyway. 

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In all honesty and respect, if we ignore nostalgia and memories, the original UK mono releases are the best (except for Helter Skelter , that song sucks in mono). However, the memories associated with the music for me makes me Team America.  

I guess since our 1st 3 Canadian Capitol LPs were mono UK mixes, I don’t feel "that same nostalgia" as you do.  Agreed about the mono Helter Skelter though!!!! paul-mccartney

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I guess since our 1st 3 Canadian Capitol LPs were mono UK mixes, I don’t feel "that same nostalgia" as you do.  Agreed about the mono Helter Skelter though!!!! paul-mccartney  

You'd think that the US and Canada would be pretty much the same, but sometimes it just doesn't work out that way. Also, I made a post about where to draw the line between 1st gen and 2nd gen fans in the Yesterday And Today section if any of you want to take a look because nobody has checked it out yet.

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I grew up with the US albums, so each is a part of specific friends and memories and events in my life. LOVED Beatles Second Album - Sweaty Rock n Roll. I did see a Beatles For Sale a long time ago. It was $20, when LPs were $3-4! I still have it, but I don't play it. I was told the Brit mixes were better, that's why I spent $20. But it was like it was recorded on cardboard. No highs, absolutely no bass whatsoever. That's when I put it away.

I can't get into long discussions about the Lads. Every album was an exciting event, each one taking further steps into the future. The AM DJs competed to see who could scoop the other stations when a new Beatle album came out. I specifically remember hearing Pepper for the 1st time. My friend called and yelled "Beatles 60 Now!" and hung up. Turned on the radio and Ringo was singing With a Little Help ....my first hearing. (and the 1st time Brit and US albums were the same) Imagine that. In retrospect, these were historic events. Every singer and songwriter around the world waited for the next album release. And some of us just sat in awe, alone, and listened to each one for first time.

Enjoy the music...And DO listen to albums,(Brit or US) not just individual songs. It is an event.                                                                                                                                              

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Enjoy the music...And DO listen to albums,(Brit or US) not just individual songs. It is an event.                                                                                                                                                

And I do, Sgt. Pepper is my favorite because the flow is great to the point where it makes me wonder how Back In Black, Led Zeppelin IV (AKA ZOSO), The Eagles Greatest Hits, The Beatles (AKA The White Album ), and Thriller outsold this masterpiece. I sure feel that Dexter knew what he was doing by adding all that reverb.

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I prefer the UK releases as they are the way the Beatles intended their work to be presented.  (I had never heard the UK pre-Pepper albums until they were released on CD in 1987)

Growing up on the US versions, I will listen to the US releases only for nostalgic reasons.

 

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Since the US albums had the singles included, I wonder if I would feel the same way if we did not have a way to make our own playlists and had to get up and change the LPs/45s to be able to listen to the catalog in chronological order.  Hmmmmmmahdn_paul_01

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I prefer the UK releases as they are the way the Beatles intended their work to be presented.  (I had never heard the UK pre-Pepper albums until they were released on CD in 1987)

Growing up on the US versions, I will listen to the US releases only for nostalgic reasons.

 

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Since the US albums had the singles included, I wonder if I would feel the same way if we did not have a way to make our own playlists and had to get up and change the LPs/45s to be able to listen to the catalog in chronological order.  Hmmmmmmahdn_paul_01  

It's safe to assume less than 1% of American Beatles fans knew they were getting a different album than the UK (although I can't be sure, as I was 2 when they were at their peak). Hell, I didn't know about the UK albums until my older brother's friend moved next door from Britain in 1979. Therefore, to an American in the 1960's, I Want To Hold Your Hand was the first track off the first album.

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Is there anything I'm missing out on from the US albums that aren't on the UK albums?

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