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I personally think the unedited 1964-1970 US stereo releases are the best because that's what I remember growing up, but I want to see what you have to say.

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The only Beatles albums where I prefer the American versions over the British ones are Magical Mystery Tour and Rubber Soul .

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I like them all better, even Revolver (the reason why those 3 tracks are not on there is because they were on the last album as a special bonus). Plus, don't you like actually having the singles on the album. Also, why do you prefer the US Rubber Soul but not the other US releases. MMT makes a lot of sense, but this one seems Out Of The Blue .

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This has probably been discussed elsewhere. However, I'll give my tuppence.

I can understand the attachment that those who grew up with the Capitol albums have for them. However, to me, and we are talking pre-1967 albums here, the suggestion that the Capitol albums, created by people who often had no direct contact with the group, and saw albums created outside of their artistic control, represent The Beatles as a group than the Parlophone releases, over which they had full say on what songs made up the album as they saw it, is to disrespect their artistic vision.

It also says something about the American Capitalist system of the time.

The Beatles didn't want to have people paying to get the same thing twice as much as possible, so left many singles off albums in the UK. In the US they went, "Screw that! We want to sell the same thing as many times as possible, so here's where you buy this song for the umpteenth time."

In the same way, we also have to look at value for money between UK and US albums prior to 1967. The Beatles UK albums in that time all had 14 tracks with the exception of A Hard Day's Night , which had 13. Capitol albums generally had 11 tracks, a chunk of which people would have bought as singles. So, in the UK, someone who bought a Beatles album had a good chance (depending on the album) of getting 14 new Beatles recordings they didn't already have if they'd bought the singles from the time, an American doing the same might well find themselves only getting a half-dozen Beatles recordings they didn't already own.

I trust The Beatles for how they wanted their work to be viewed, not a bunch of American execs who were only interested in the $s.

I understand the attachment some US fans have for the Capitol albums, but pre-1967, they can largely be viewed as compilations (some of them interesting, such as the Capitol version of Rubber Soul , but compilations all the same).

Would I rather have the US Capitol compilation albums, or their work as THEY chose to present it? The Beatles intentions win out every time for me over Capitol's intention to repackage and repeat their material as much as possible to make as much money from them as they could.

Nor would I include the Chistmas album in the list as it was never commercially released. It was a fan club-only release. But if you're going to include it, get the right UK cover and don't use the US version to include it.

In the US, it was The Christmas Album and that is the artwork you use. It the UK, it was From Then to You, and this was the artwork:

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You missed out the Hollywood Bowl album which was Capitol-instigated.

You also miss out the different versions of albums called Rarities (the UK version coming out in 1978, the completely different US album coming out in 1980), while Past Masters  was not a UK album, but a worldwide release created as part of their transfer to CD, including all the released that were not included on their canon albums (with Capitol's Magical Mystery Tour  having been made a canon album).

Bottom line though, The Beatles albums as they wanted them, or as Capitol cut them up to make as much money as possible, give me their vision every time.

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I think that we shouldn't base it off what the Beatles wanted or nostalgia. I think it the choice should be made on the sound.

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I think that we shouldn't base it off what the Beatles wanted or nostalgia. I think it the choice should be made on the sound.  

I don't understand what you're saying here? It makes no sense. Are you really suggesting that how they wanted to present their work is irrelevant?

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This has probably been discussed elsewhere. However, I'll give my tuppence.

I can understand the attachment that those who grew up with the Capitol albums have for them. However, to me, and we are talking pre-1967 albums here, the suggestion that the Capitol albums, created by people who often had no direct contact with the group, and saw albums created outside of their artistic control, represent The Beatles as a group than the Parlophone releases, over which they had full say on what songs made up the album as they saw it, is to disrespect their artistic vision.

It also says something about the American Capitalist system of the time.

The Beatles didn't want to have people paying to get the same thing twice as much as possible, so left many singles off albums in the UK. In the US they went, "Screw that! We want to sell the same thing as many times as possible, so here's where you buy this song for the umpteenth time."

In the same way, we also have to look at value for money between UK and US albums prior to 1967. The Beatles UK albums in that time all had 14 tracks with the exception of A Hard Day's Night , which had 13. Capitol albums generally had 11 tracks, a chunk of which people would have bought as singles. So, in the UK, someone who bought a Beatles album had a good chance (depending on the album) of getting 14 new Beatles recordings they didn't already have if they'd bought the singles from the time, an American doing the same might well find themselves only getting a half-dozen Beatles recordings they didn't already own.

I trust The Beatles for how they wanted their work to be viewed, not a bunch of American execs who were only interested in the $s.

I understand the attachment some US fans have for the Capitol albums, but pre-1967, they can largely be viewed as compilations (some of them interesting, such as the Capitol version of Rubber Soul , but compilations all the same).

Would I rather have the US Capitol compilation albums, or their work as THEY chose to present it? The Beatles intentions win out every time for me over Capitol's intention to repackage and repeat their material as much as possible to make as much money from them as they could.

Nor would I include the Chistmas album in the list as it was never commercially released. It was a fan club-only release. But if you're going to include it, get the right UK cover and don't use the US version to include it.

In the US, it was The Christmas Album and that is the artwork you use. It the UK, it was From Then to You, and this was the artwork:

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with this being it's back cover:

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You missed out the Hollywood Bowl album which was Capitol-instigated.

You also miss out the different versions of albums called Rarities (the UK version coming out in 1978, the completely different US album coming out in 1980), while Past Masters  was not a UK album, but a worldwide release created as part of their transfer to CD, including all the released that were not included on their canon albums (with Capitol's Magical Mystery Tour  having been made a canon album).

Bottom line though, The Beatles albums as they wanted them, or as Capitol cut them up to make as much money as possible, give me their vision every time.  

P4. You're right, however, if people say to hell with buying singles, let's just buy the album, then they're saving money.

P5. A Collection Of Beatles Oldies has 16 tracks (an official compilation album by Parlophone and worth calling an official UK album) and a lot of the US releases have 12 tracks, not 11.

P7. I think of them as truncated versions of albums for the better. Meet The Beatles is side 1 of With The Beatles with extra tracks, The Beatles Second Album is side 2 of With The Beatles with extra tracks, A Hard Day's Night is side 1 of A Hard Day's Night with US exclusive instrumentals (not good ones), Something New is side 2 of A Hard Day's Night with extra tracks, The Beatles Story is a US exclusive (my least favorite album), Beatles 65' is side 1 of Beatles For Sale with extra tracks, The Early Beatles is Please Please Me without T1, T2, and T13, Beatles VI is side 2 of Beatles For Sale with extra tracks, Help ! is side 1 of Help ! with US exclusive instrumentals, and so on.

P9. I included it in the list because my mother actually was a member of the fan club and therefore got it mailed to her when it first came out, so I own a copy and I wouldn't be surprised if there are quite a bit if people who own a copy too.

P10. I forgot. I'll fix it.

Also, remember that Capitol remixed the songs in the US. Added reverb in I Feel Fine , a false start in I'm Looking Through You , and that extra verse in I'll Cry Instead are perfect examples that Capitol knew what they were doing, though I wonder how it would be if Capitol just released The Beatles and The Rolling Stones albums the same as in the UK.

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I think that we shouldn't base it off what the Beatles wanted or nostalgia. I think it the choice should be made on the sound.  

I believe that there is 2 good parts to good music, the music itself and the memories involved with it. For example, the movie Yellow Submarine has some cheap animation in it and someone decided that The Beatles should become a brass band, but because I remember my mother taking the two of us (me and my older brother) to watch the movie in the theatre when it first came out, I think it is a great movie and I still like it to this day. On the flipside, Queen's first two albums are great, but because I didn't know about them for the longest time and I always thought Sheer Heart Attack was their debut, I prefer their following three (Sheer Heart Attack, A Night At The Opera, and A Day At The Races). If the world decided that nostalgia wasn't important when labeling something as good or bad, we'd be most likely considering The Beatles TV show, Yellow Submarine , and the 60's Batman terrible and we'd be most likely consider the Star Wars prequel trilogy and Indiana Jones And The Crystal Skull great. I feel that memories associated are more important than anything. In fact, this is making me wonder whether or not you remember with The Beatles when they first came out or you know about them from your parents or grandparents or older brother or uncle or whoever.

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I don't understand what you're saying here? It makes no sense. Are you really suggesting that how they wanted to present their work is irrelevant?  

You opinion of the music itself should be number one in what people decided, not what other people (even the creator think)

Like, I like the 1966 version of Sound Of Silence than the original despite the fact that the 1966 version was changed by people without Simon and Garfunkel's consent. Simon was horrified when he first heard the remix.

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The Capitol mixes of 'I Feel Fine ' and 'She's A Woman ' are horrendous, the Beatles sound like they are down the other end of a metal tunnel with all that reverb, echo etc. To therefore highlight those two as examples of how Capitol knew what they are doing is ludicrous in my opinion.

I'm heavily biased as I grew up with the UK albums and are what I am familiar with; the US albums to me are just time specific playlists or compilations and not much different to 'Love Songs', 'Ballads' etc. I don't see the point of having to pay the price of two albums to get all of 'With The Beatles ' and a handful of a and b sides.

Also anyone buying the US albums would still have to track down either Past Masters to get 'I'm Down ', 'Love Me Do ' (Ringo), Paperback Writer ', 'Rain ', 'From Me To You ', 'Misery ', 'There's A Place ', 'Across The Universe ' (Wildlife Mix), 'You Know My Name (Look Up The Number), 'Get Back ' (single) 'Sie Liebt Dich ' and, if being uber-completest, the US 'Rarities' for the 'Pepper Inner Groove' which just becomes a mess as you start getting doubles. Anyone in the UK can ditch 'Oldies But Goldies' as the only rare track on that was 'Bad Boy ' and thats on 'Past Masters '.

Get the UK and save yourself a fortune as its 14 UK albums instead of 21 US albums (if I can count and ignoring 'The Beatles Story' as there was nothing of note on it). Incidentally why is 'Anthology 3 ' there but not either of the 'Live At The BBC ' albums? 

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Ron Nasty said

I don't understand what you're saying here? It makes no sense. Are you really suggesting that how they wanted to present their work is irrelevant?  

You opinion of the music itself should be number one in what people decided, not what other people (even the creator think)

Like, I like the 1966 version of Sound Of Silence than the original despite the fact that the 1966 version was changed by people without Simon and Garfunkel's consent. Simon was horrified when he first heard the remix.  

The original 'Sound Of Silence' is boring; the overdubs vastly improve the track.

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Artists don't always get it right. Paul himself at times couldn't leave a track alone and kept adding to the point where the song got overly saturated; 'Footprints' from 'Press To Play being a prime example.

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P4. You're right, however, if people say to hell with buying singles, let's just buy the album, then they're saving money.

However, one only needs to look at how well their Capitol singles sold (which also included many singles not released in the UK) to know that people were buying their material multiple times. It's alright saying they didn't need to buy their singles, but they did in their millions...

P5. A Collection Of Beatles Oldies has 16 tracks (an official compilation album by Parlophone and worth calling an official UK album) and a lot of the US releases have 12 tracks, not 11.

True. Though A Collection of Beatles Oldies was released by Parlophone when The Beatles were not actually under contract (their contract with Parlophone ran out in June 1966, and they did not resign to Parlophone until January 1967, though they allowed Revolver  to be released during their off-contract period). 11 or 12 tracks, it's still not 14 tracks, and the amount of new material is further dissipated by the inclusion of single tracks not included on UK albums.

P7. I think of them as truncated versions of albums for the better. Meet The Beatles is side 1 of With The Beatles with extra tracks, The Beatles Second Album is side 2 of With The Beatles with extra tracks, A Hard Day's Night is side 1 of A Hard Day's Night with US exclusive instrumentals (not good ones), SomethingNew is side 2 of A Hard Day's Night with extra tracks, The Beatles Story is a US exclusive (my least favorite album), Beatles 65' is side 1 of Beatles For Salewith extra tracks, The Early Beatles is Please Please Me without T1, T2, and T13, Beatles VI is side 2 of Beatles For Sale with extra tracks, Help! is side 1 ofHelp! with US exclusive instrumentals, and so on.

I don't think cheering on the US versions of A Hard Day's Night  and Help works. Yes, they included soundtrack material by George Martin but that doesn't make them better Beatles albums. The most disliked UK album is Yellow Submarine , which only included 4 new Beatles songs and a side of George Martin. They almost released an EP of their songs from the album to head off the criticism they got for it.

P9. I included it in the list because my mother actually was a member of the fan club and therefore got it mailed to her when it first came out, so I own a copy and I wouldn't be surprised if there are quite a bit if people who own a copy too.

Yes, there's many copies out there, but that doesn't make it something that was commercially available. It wasn't.

And you still haven't stood back and answered the real question you asked: Are The Beatles albums as they envisioned them weaker albums than the US versions of them.

I'm yet to really see your argument that The Beatles got their UK releases wrong. Which 14/13 track UK albums do you think they got wrong?

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The Capitol mixes of 'I Feel Fine ' and 'She's A Woman ' are horrendous, the Beatles sound like they are down the other end of a metal tunnel with all that reverb, echo etc. To therefore highlight those two as examples of how Capitol knew what they are doing is ludicrous in my opinion.

I'm heavily biased as I grew up with the UK albums and are what I am familiar with; the US albums to me are just time specific playlists or compilations and not much different to 'Love Songs', 'Ballads' etc. I don't see the point of having to pay the price of two albums to get all of 'With The Beatles ' and a handful of a and b sides.

Also anyone buying the US albums would still have to track down either Past Masters to get 'I'm Down ', 'Love Me Do ' (Ringo), Paperback Writer ', 'Rain ', 'From Me To You ', 'Misery ', 'There's A Place ', 'Across The Universe ' (Wildlife Mix), 'You Know My Name (Look Up The Number), 'Get Back ' (single) 'Sie Liebt Dich ' and, if being uber-completest, the US 'Rarities' for the 'Pepper Inner Groove' which just becomes a mess as you start getting doubles. Anyone in the UK can ditch 'Oldies But Goldies' as the only rare track on that was 'Bad Boy ' and thats on 'Past Masters '.

Get the UK and save yourself a fortune as its 14 UK albums instead of 21 US albums (if I can count and ignoring 'The Beatles Story' as there was nothing of note on it). Incidentally why is 'Anthology 3 ' there but not either of the 'Live At The BBC ' albums?   

I understand your point of view (you're grew up with in UK, I grew up in the US), but I like it the way I grew up with it. I personally feel that I Feel Fine and She's A Woman don't sound right without reverb.

Love Songs and Ballads were released after the band died out. It be like comparing Queen's Greatest Hits to their greatest hits album called Stone Cold Crazy.

Liar. Paperback Writer and Rain are on Hey Jude , Sie Liebt Dich , Across The Universe (Wildlife), and Love Me Do (Ringo) are stupid to own (SLD is in german, ATUW is pretty much ATU in it's original speed without overdubs (prefer the version on Let It Be ), and the only difference between the Ringo and Andy White versions of Love Me Do is the tambourine), it's not like Revolution where they completely revamped the song, and what most would consider the superior version of Get Back is on Let It Be (very similar regardless). That leaves Misery , There's A Place , and I'm Down as the only tracks that need to be tracked down. That's 4 compared to the 20-something in the UK and if you believe that being available on a single means not tracking them down, I'm Down is the B-side to Help !, There's A Place is the B-side to Twist And Shout , and From Me To You was both an A-side and a B-side to the rerelease of Please Please Me . Also, Let It Be (single version) has the inferior solo. That leaves just Misery , 1 to 20-something, US wins that round. Also, your last sentence in this paragraph contradicts itself (you said that i'd have to track down songs that are on singles but you'd have to track down half the songs on ACOBO too).

I have all the US albums and singles, so buying the UK releases would cost me more than help me, especially considering some of the stuff I own is rare (2nd state butcher, Christmas Album, Introducing The Beatles, the three Canadian albums, etc.). The Beatles Story sucks and the only reason I consider Anthology an album is because it got The Beatles back together (minus John for obvious reasons, though I think it's funny they chose his songs).

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P4. You're right, however, if people say to hell with buying singles, let's just buy the album, then they're saving money.

However, one only needs to look at how well their Capitol singles sold (which also included many singles not released in the UK) to know that people were buying their material multiple times. It's alright saying they didn't need to buy their singles, but they did in their millions...

P5. A Collection Of Beatles Oldies has 16 tracks (an official compilation album by Parlophone and worth calling an official UK album) and a lot of the US releases have 12 tracks, not 11.

True. Though A Collection of Beatles Oldies was released by Parlophone when The Beatles were not actually under contract (their contract with Parlophone ran out in June 1966, and they did not resign to Parlophone until January 1967, though they allowed Revolver  to be released during their off-contract period). 11 or 12 tracks, it's still not 14 tracks, and the amount of new material is further dissipated by the inclusion of single tracks not included on UK albums.

P7. I think of them as truncated versions of albums for the better. Meet The Beatles is side 1 of With The Beatles with extra tracks, The Beatles Second Album is side 2 of With The Beatles with extra tracks, A Hard Day's Night is side 1 of A Hard Day's Night with US exclusive instrumentals (not good ones), SomethingNew is side 2 of A Hard Day's Night with extra tracks, The Beatles Story is a US exclusive (my least favorite album), Beatles 65' is side 1 of Beatles For Salewith extra tracks, The Early Beatles is Please Please Me without T1, T2, and T13, Beatles VI is side 2 of Beatles For Sale with extra tracks, Help! is side 1 ofHelp! with US exclusive instrumentals, and so on.

I don't think cheering on the US versions of A Hard Day's Night  and Help works. Yes, they included soundtrack material by George Martin but that doesn't make them better Beatles albums. The most disliked UK album is Yellow Submarine , which only included 4 new Beatles songs and a side of George Martin. They almost released an EP of their songs from the album to head off the criticism they got for it.

P9. I included it in the list because my mother actually was a member of the fan club and therefore got it mailed to her when it first came out, so I own a copy and I wouldn't be surprised if there are quite a bit if people who own a copy too.

Yes, there's many copies out there, but that doesn't make it something that was commercially available. It wasn't.

And you still haven't stood back and answered the real question you asked: Are The Beatles albums as they envisioned them weaker albums than the US versions of them.

I'm yet to really see your argument that The Beatles got their UK releases wrong. Which 14/13 track UK albums do you think they got wrong?  

1. I understand very well (my mother bought all of both the albums and the singles when they first came out).

2. Still consider it canon in the UK timeline, just like I do with Long Tall Sally and Magical Mystery Tour EP's.

3. I don't like the instrumentals either (though Help ! has a good intro). Also, I thought that Yellow Submarine was originally going to be an EP, but it became an album because nobody wanted an EP (It sounds like the US albums and the B-side sucks and I hate that they reused Yellow Submarine and All You Need Is Love , it should've been a 4-track EP).

4. I'm not saying they got the UK releases wrong, but rather that the US outdid them and I have more fonder memories of the US releases (not knowing about the British versions until a British family moved next door to us when I was 16). It's like comparing Night Of The Living Dead to Dawn Of The Dead. Night Of The Living Dead is a classic and did nothing wrong but Dawn Of The Dead is the better film because it has more gore and violence and I actually remember me and my friends sneaking in to watch this movie in the theatre, whereas with Night Of The Living Dead, I didn't see it until after I saw the sequel. Remember, it is the memory and the quality, can't have one without the other. The US albums have more hits than the UK albums (Day Tripper , She Loves You , I Want To Hold Your Hand , I Feel Fine ) and are what I think of when I think of them. Dave of http://www.beatlesebooks.com/ is another person that prefers the US releases because he grew up with them (though I think that it's weird that he uses Introducing The Beatles instead of The Early Beatles).

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Why is it weird that he refers to Vee-Jay's Introducing The Beatles, the first US album, than 1965's The Early Beatles, @sgtpepper63? It has been certified a US platinum album. Just because Capitol ignored them in 63, why should 1965's Capitol version be considered better, which left off tracks that wouldn't be available until 1980's Capitol Rarities album on Capitol?

The Capitol representation of The Beatles between 1964 and 1966 got them to build a clause into their 1967 contract that stopped Capitol in its tracks. Why do you think their albums post the 1967 contract started following their UK releases? It's because they got into a position where they could.

As I've already said, I understand the attachment US fans of a certain age to those albums, but - as @meanmistermustard pointed out about the Dexter versions - they may be what you know, but they are not what The Beatles wanted.

I always come back to the same point, if you want to listen The Beatles as The Beatles intended (to paraphrase the "as nature intended" PR-blurb, then only the UK releases matter.

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Why is it weird that he refers to Vee-Jay's Introducing The Beatles, the first US album, than 1965's The Early Beatles, @sgtpepper63? It has been certified a US platinum album. Just because Capitol ignored them in 63, why should 1965's Capitol version be considered better, which left off tracks that wouldn't be available until 1980's Capitol Rarities album on Capitol?

The Capitol representation of The Beatles between 1964 and 1966 got them to build a clause into their 1967 contract that stopped Capitol in its tracks. Why do you think their albums post the 1967 contract started following their UK releases? It's because they got into a position where they could.

As I've already said, I understand the attachment US fans of a certain age to those albums, but - as @meanmistermustard pointed out about the Dexter versions - they may be what you know, but they are not what The Beatles wanted.

I always come back to the same point, if you want to listen The Beatles as The Beatles intended (to paraphrase the "as nature intended" PR-blurb, then only the UK releases matter.  

P1. I consider The Early Beatles the canon version of Please Please Me in the US, not Introducing The Beatles and my mother only had The Early Beatles when I was growing up. Also, Capitol considers A Hard Day's Night canon but not this, and since Capitol made, I don't call it canon, though I can understand where you're coming from.

P2. There are two reasons

1. Sgt. Pepper isn't an album like A Hard Day's Night where you can toss around track orders in the air, it is meant to be listened in one way and that's it. That's also the main reason as to why I hate 8-tracks.

2. Capitol was slowly starting to do this already (Rubber Soul had 10/14 tracks and 2 tracks from Help ! and Revolver had 11/14 tracks).

all good points though and if you prefer UK, go ahead.

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Please, @sgtpepper63, do not refer to any member of this forum as being a liar. That is disrespectful and against the rules of this forum.

You can disagree with someone's opinion, but you do not accuse a member of this forum of lying to this forum.

It is your opinion that Sie Leibt Dich, the wildlife version of Across The Universe  (the 1st version of it released), and the Ringo version of Love Me Do  are of no interest.

That doesn't make it so.

To the majority here, every Beatles recording - even their worst - has a value.

Please do not accuse someone of being a liar just because their interpretation disagrees with yours. You can't one minute argue that people didn't need to buy the singles, and then argue against a US album that collected together many rare and non-album tracks.

That's just wrong.

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@sgtpepper63 

...if you prefer UK, go ahead...

Isn't that the point? Do you respect The Beatles choices, and accept that was how they wanted their work viewed (UK market) or want the moneylenders to take over the temple?

You seem to arguing for the moneylenders and not The Beatles.

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sgtpepper63 said

I understand your point of view (you're grew up with in UK, I grew up in the US), but I like it the way I grew up with it. I personally feel that I Feel Fine and She's A Woman don't sound right without reverb.

Fine, different opinions, however it was never the Beatles sound, its one reason why they hated what Capitol did.

Love Songs and Ballads were released after the band died out. It be like comparing Queen's Greatest Hits to their greatest hits album called Stone Cold Crazy.

The Beatles had as much say (ie zero) in the pre-1967 US albums as the 1976 -> 1982 compilations so its not that different. If given the chance the Beatles would have stopped both immediately and did so as soon as they could with 2 exceptions: there was no market for ep's so 'MMT' was authorised and 'HJ' was Klein's project to generate finance immediately - which he then ripped off. They sent over tracks earlier (and even recorded two more) but that's a difficult matter and gets into a murky topic.It appears contradictory, and it probably is, but as soon as you start scratching the surface many Beatles things get complicated and messy. 

Liar. Paperback Writer and Rain are on Hey Jude , Sie Liebt Dich , Across The Universe (Wildlife), and Love Me Do (Ringo) are stupid to own (SLD is in german, ATUW is pretty much ATU in it's original speed without overdubs (prefer the version on Let It Be ), and the only difference between the Ringo and Andy White versions of Love Me Do is the tambourine), it's not like Revolution where they completely revamped the song, and what most would consider the superior version of Get Back is on Let It Be (very similar regardless). That leaves Misery , There's A Place , and I'm Down as the only tracks that need to be tracked down. That's 4 compared to the 20-something in the UK and if you believe that being available on a single means not tracking them down, I'm Down is the B-side to Help !, There's A Place is the B-side to Twist And Shout , and From Me To You was both an A-side and a B-side to the rerelease of Please Please Me . Also, Let It Be (single version) has the inferior solo. That leaves just Misery , 1 to 20-something, US wins that round. Also, your last sentence in this paragraph contradicts itself (you said that i'd have to track down songs that are on singles but you'd have to track down half the songs on ACOBO too).

Apologies for the 'Hey Jude ' tracks, i forget them. However 'LMD' (Ringo) is an entirely different recording (you make it sound like an overdub) and the first version on the first single so highly important in Beatles history and the wildlife 'ATU' is vastly different to what's on 'Let It Be ', albeit a different mix (one heavily sped, the other heavily slowed down; choir on one, screeching woman on the other). I agree that 'Sie Liebt Dich ' is stupid but you can't throw out tracks just because they are inconvenient to track down or you find them personally insignificant. And i was including 'Past Masters ' as it was pictured in your first post, i got confused - it was late and i can be daft.

Would be interesting to see the actual cost of buying the US albums + singles v the UK albums + singles and then work it out to see how many duplicates you have at the end.

I have all the US albums and singles, so buying the UK releases would cost me more than help me, especially considering some of the stuff I own is rare (2nd state butcher, Christmas Album, Introducing The Beatles, the three Canadian albums, etc.). The Beatles Story sucks and the only reason I consider Anthology an album is because it got The Beatles back together (minus John for obvious reasons, though I think it's funny they chose his songs).  

I thought it was for 'FAAB', 'RL' and all the unreleased tracks. You need to have the two reunion tracks so ditch the 'Anthologies' and hunt down the singles. Tho are they ignored as they are deemed by many (including myself) to be non-canon but not by the opposing many so maybe you don't. Is this just the 60's and 1970 tracks?

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Ron Nasty said
Please, @sgtpepper63, do not refer to any member of this forum as being a liar. That is disrespectful and against the rules of this forum.

You can disagree with someone's opinion, but you do not accuse a member of this forum of lying to this forum.

It is your opinion that Sie Leibt Dich, the wildlife version of Across The Universe  (the 1st version of it released), and the Ringo version of Love Me Do  are of no interest.

That doesn't make it so.

To the majority here, every Beatles recording - even their worst - has a value.

Please do not accuse someone of being a liar just because their interpretation disagrees with yours. You can't one minute argue that people didn't need to buy the singles, and then argue against a US album that collected together many rare and non-album tracks.

That's just wrong.  

Sorry, I shouldnt've said that. I should've worded myself better. What I meant to say is that there are more UK tracks exclusive to singles than US tracks, but you forgot to acknowledge that and said that 7 or so tracks were single exclusives in the US, even though there were many more in the UK.

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