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I don't know what the proper definition of "folk rock" is, but Nowhere Man and If You Needed Someone sound more psychedelic to me.  They don't sound to me like they belong with the other songs at all. 

Really? When I think of Folk/Rock circa 1965, I think of The Byrds. Those 2 songs ("Nowhere Man"/"If I Needed Someone") sound to me the closest to that sound than say "Think For Yourself" and "Wait" - both included on the US "Rubber Soul". 

 

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wetsroosa said 

However, in the US, Rubber Soul came across as a folk rock statement, and is considered a folk rock record, intended or not.

^^^^^^^

Agreed! :-)

One things for sure, I'm going to create a playlist of the ultimate Beatles Folk/Rock tracks. It'll contain about 7 songs. ;-)

 

 

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I don't know what the proper definition of "folk rock" is, but Nowhere Man and If You Needed Someone sound more psychedelic to me.  They don't sound to me like they belong with the other songs at all. 

Really? When I think of Folk/Rock circa 1965, I think of The Byrds. Those 2 songs ("Nowhere Man"/"If I Needed Someone") sound to me the closest to that sound than say "Think For Yourself" and "Wait" - both included on the US "Rubber Soul". 

 

I think of The Byrds as psychedelic.

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While The Byrds went onto psychedelia and other forms, The Byrds of 1965 (Mr Tambourine ManThe Bells of RhymneyAll I Really Want to DoTurn! Turn! Turn!) were the originators of folk rock. The term itself was invented by the US press in around June 1965 - around the time Mr Tambourine Man became their first US #1, and their debut album of the same name was released - to describe their fusion of traditional folk music and Dylan folk songs with an electric backing heavily influenced by The Beatles and other British invasion groups.

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While The Byrds went onto psychedelia and other forms, The Byrds of 1965 (Mr Tambourine ManThe Bells of RhymneyAll I Really Want to DoTurn! Turn! Turn!) were the originators of folk rock. The term itself was invented by the US press in around June 1965 - around the time Mr Tambourine Man became their first US #1, and their debut album of the same name was released - to describe their fusion of traditional folk music and Dylan folk songs with an electric backing heavily influenced by The Beatles and other British invasion groups.

Well then since Nowhere Man and If You Needed Someone sound most like The Byrds and unlike any other song on the US album, I agree that we shouldn't call it folk rock. Maybe "acoustic rock" or "folk influenced." Whatever it is, it sounds better. And now I know why I don't like Nowhere Man--it sounds like The Byrds. Not that I hate The Byrds, I just like The Beatles sound better.

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US Rubber Soul

  • Folk/Rock?(8% : 1 vote)
  • Acoustic Rock?(8% : 1 vote)
  • Pop?(0% : 0 votes)
  • Rock?(8% : 1 vote)
  • It's Beatle music for goodness sake!(75% : 9 votes)
Total Voters: 12

 

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Wasn't the 1980 Rarities compilation a US album too? Maybe they should have included that but I suppose they would have used the incorrect mixes there as well. (Thank you again, Dr.Ebbetts)

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Wasn't the 1980 Rarities compilation a US album too? Maybe they should have included that but I suppose they would have used the incorrect mixes there as well. (Thank you again, Dr.Ebbetts)

Yip. There was a 1978 UK version and a 1980 US variation.

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I'll probably end up buying this box, but if I don't I do expect to pick up at least a copy of 'Hey Jude', which I consider a wonderful collection of singles and a great spiritual companion piece to 'Magical Mystery Tour'.  

E is for 'Ergent'.

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"Meet the Beatles" is a phenomenal album - but when people think of that album, they're really thinking of Side 1:

I Want To Hold Your Hand, I Saw Her Standing There, This Boy, It Won't Be Long, All I've Got To Do, All My Loving.

But Side 2 is so weak in comparison!

Don't Bother Me, Little Child, Till There Was YouHold Me Tight, I Wanna Be Your Man, Not A Second Time...

What was Capitol thinking?

My guess is that they didn't have the rights to some of their other early songs + were already thinking ahead to the next album.

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Capitol didn't own the US rights to the Please Please Me tracks, and the singles pre-I Want To Hold Your Hand, until winning a lawsuit in '64 and then released it as 'The Early Beatles' - having passed over the songs despite having first option on them. 

Which raises the question of how they got I Saw Her Standing There. Anyone know? 

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Capitol didn't own the US rights to the Please Please Me tracks, and the singles pre-I Want To Hold Your Hand, until winning a lawsuit in '64 and then released it as 'The Early Beatles' - having passed over the songs despite having first option on them. 

Which raises the question of how they got I Saw Her Standing There. Anyone know? 

This is a long shot, but maybe Capitol had the rights to the version with the full count-in, as Vee-Jay's version omitted "1,2,3" and started on "4".

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Capitol didn't own the US rights to the Please Please Me tracks, and the singles pre-I Want To Hold Your Hand, until winning a lawsuit in '64 and then released it as 'The Early Beatles' - having passed over the songs despite having first option on them. 

Which raises the question of how they got I Saw Her Standing There. Anyone know? 

The simple answer is that they didn't have the rights, but released it anyway. This led to the first lawsuit between Vee-Jay and Capitol, when Vee-Jay sued and Capitol lost. The Vee-Jay/Capitol situation was discussed in another thread.

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mja6758 said

meanmistermustard said

Capitol didn't own the US rights to the Please Please Me tracks, and the singles pre-I Want To Hold Your Hand, until winning a lawsuit in '64 and then released it as 'The Early Beatles' - having passed over the songs despite having first option on them. 

Which raises the question of how they got I Saw Her Standing There. Anyone know? 

The simple answer is that they didn't have the rights, but released it anyway. This led to the first lawsuit between Vee-Jay and Capitol, when Vee-Jay sued and Capitol lost. The Vee-Jay/Capitol situation was discussed in another thread.

I remember most of the VJ/Capitol case, just never thought or remembered about ISHST. 

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Earlier in this thread, I posted that I had the initial release of Capitol Albums Vol.2 that had the incorrect mono versions on Beatles VI and Rubber Soul.  Since the "complete" US Albums were being released I decided not to re-order Capitol Vol.2.  Well, it kept gnawing at me that I had a flawed Beatles release, so I broke down and Ordered Vol.2 again from Amazon.com.  After about a month, they cancelled the order because it was unavailable.  I did find it on Amazon.ca and ordered it.  It arrived yesterday, but had no indication on the wrapper if it was the corrected release.  Popped The Beatles VI into the CD player... 56:16!  Rubber Soul, 59:08!  Checked the false start of, "I'm Looking Through You". Not on mono, but on stereo!  Good to go.

So, tonight I sit here with my glass of red, listening to Capitol Vol. 1 and Vol.2.  I must say that I enjoy the UK as the official canon, but the US releases are nice as singles were included and you don't have to load Past Masters between each album for a few songs. So it's almost in a chronological order minus Capitol's placement of "The Early Beatles".  Guess I should start over and play that one first.

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 After about a month, they cancelled the order because it was unavailable.  

They did the same thing to me. Did you get your money back? I still haven't.

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wetsroosa said

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 After about a month, they cancelled the order because it was unavailable.  

They did the same thing to me. Did you get your money back? I still haven't.

Amazon never pings my credit card until my order has shipped.  Since it never shipped, I was never billed.

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c64wood said

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c64wood said
 After about a month, they cancelled the order because it was unavailable.  

They did the same thing to me. Did you get your money back? I still haven't.

Amazon never pings my credit card until my order has shipped.  Since it never shipped, I was never billed.

Just checked my credit statement... sure enough, the same thing... and all this time I thought Amazon had screwed me over...

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wetsroosa said

c64wood said

wetsroosa said

c64wood said
 After about a month, they cancelled the order because it was unavailable.  

They did the same thing to me. Did you get your money back? I still haven't.

Amazon never pings my credit card until my order has shipped.  Since it never shipped, I was never billed.

Just checked my credit statement... sure enough, the same thing... and all this time I thought Amazon had screwed me over...

Awww, a happy discovery!

 

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Finally finished listening to my blue box of US albums, and I'm happy I bought it.

I think these are probably my favorite US albums:

Meet The Beatles

The Beatles' Second Album

Beatles '65

Rubber Soul

Yesterday and Today

Hey Jude

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