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3 July 2014
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Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa!  Whoa!  I heard about this when i was young but never saw it:

The Beatles vs. The Four Seasons    sorry, I still can't figure out posting pictures.

And this site claims you can download it but I never trust those types of sites.  Can I?  Should I?  I don't see it on iTunes of course.

Does anyone out there OWN this on VINYL???  Can you imagine an intact version?  How well-known was this album when it was released?  Was it a big deal?  Was it only a big deal in NJ?  

OMG LOOK AT THIS.  

I want to cry myself to death.  I have a little spot in my heart for The Four Seasons because of my dad, but moreso the fact that our bands are merged and that this album is whole and available if I were rich... where oh where did this person find this??  They're probably not even a Beatles fan... oh the humanity...

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I didn't realize until just now (did a bit of researching after seeing your post) that the Beatles portion of this album consisted of "Introducing The Beatles"! I had this vague notion that it just repackaged "My Bonnie " and "Cry For A Shadow" and all those. Dunno I would've thought that - I knew that both bands were on Vee Jay.

I'm not a huge fan of the Four Seasons (mom loves 'em! and surely would've treasured this Seasons/Beatles pairing had she known of it and bought it at age 17) , but I do like most of their singles.

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It's a straight copy of 'Introducing The Beatles' (which Vee-Jay owned the song rights to), reissued to fool fans into buying the same songs again (which they also did for the album 'Songs, Pictures and Stories of the Fabulous Beatles'). It sold enough to get to #142 in the Billboard Chart. Wiki's entry for the LP.

You can playlist the Beatles songs if you have 'Please Please Me ' so unless you want the artwork (if that comes with the download) or the Four Seasons tracks then there isn't much point in downloading it.

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I don't think Vee Jay were trying to fool anyone, really - just trying to maximize their use of the material they had the rights to, before the time ran out. I can't begrudge them for that, and at least they tried to make the packaging relatively unique.

The Four Seasons/Beatles double would've made a nice Christmas gift for someone who liked both bands. And if Vee Jay were still around and reissued it on CD to coincide with Capitol's CD release of the American albums, I know there are definitely 'biblers (aside from Crinsk) who would happily buy it.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!"
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That could of been really cool if they had a slip where you vote and mail it to Vee Jay and at a later date the winner is announced

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That could of been really cool if they had a slip where you vote and mail it to Vee Jay and at a later date the winner is announced

...yeah, assuming Vee-Jay would even have still been in business by the time that "later date" arrived

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Thanks for the link to The Beatles vs. The Four Seasons , Crinsk.

The liberties taken in the liner notes were quite amusing. In particular, from John's bio:
"As a child he lived a life of uninterrupted calm and cannot recall any childhood sadness".
And this little nugget from the same bio:
"Type of music he likes most: Traditional jazz"

My first thought was, "They must be referring to a different John Lennon ."

I'm not collector of memorabilia or old vinyl, but if I was, this would be one to strongly consider.

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Von Bontee said
I don't think Vee Jay were trying to fool anyone, really - just trying to maximize their use of the material they had the rights to, before the time ran out. I can't begrudge them for that, and at least they tried to make the packaging relatively unique.

The Four Seasons/Beatles double would've made a nice Christmas gift for someone who liked both bands. And if Vee Jay were still around and reissued it on CD to coincide with Capitol's CD release of the American albums, I know there are definitely 'biblers (aside from Crinsk) who would happily buy it.

Considering there was nothing on the record to suggest this was basically a reissue in a new shiny cover then i would say they were trying to fool fans into buying the same material thrice.

If EMI had stuck out a 'new' Beatles album in 1976 which was Please Please Me with new neat, appealing artwork and 14 Mary Hopkin's tracks fans would have been pissed then and pissed now.

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meanmistermustard said

Von Bontee said
I don't think Vee Jay were trying to fool anyone, really - just trying to maximize their use of the material they had the rights to, before the time ran out. I can't begrudge them for that, and at least they tried to make the packaging relatively unique.

The Four Seasons/Beatles double would've made a nice Christmas gift for someone who liked both bands. And if Vee Jay were still around and reissued it on CD to coincide with Capitol's CD release of the American albums, I know there are definitely 'biblers (aside from Crinsk) who would happily buy it.

Considering there was nothing on the record to suggest this was basically a reissue in a new shiny cover then i would say they were trying to fool fans into buying the same material thrice.

If EMI had stuck out a 'new' Beatles album in 1976 which was Please Please Me with new neat, appealing artwork and 14 Mary Hopkin's tracks fans would have been pissed then and pissed now.

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I dislike record companies that treat fans with little regard or respect and see us solely as cash cows. I know they are there to make money at the end of it all and therefore we have to pay prices for what they put out but shoving out ill-conceived products, put together on the cheap, charging a decent wedge of money and expecting fans to digest it and be thankful annoys me.

Why should i like a record company like Vee-Jay for reissuing an album in a shiny new cover and pretending its not the second re-issue of the music contained? They didnt even bother to print new discs at times, they just put unsold ones n the new cover.

Why should i big up Apple who can't put out Love Me Do on a 45" single without getting the version right or think that instead of the promo video's we will be happy with a limited edition chocolate box opener that plays Savoy Truffle ?

If they do it well and with thought then i'll praise them, if they get it wrong or do a crap job then i'll bring it up.

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meanmistermustard said

Von Bontee said
I don't think Vee Jay were trying to fool anyone, really - just trying to maximize their use of the material they had the rights to, before the time ran out. I can't begrudge them for that, and at least they tried to make the packaging relatively unique.

The Four Seasons/Beatles double would've made a nice Christmas gift for someone who liked both bands. And if Vee Jay were still around and reissued it on CD to coincide with Capitol's CD release of the American albums, I know there are definitely 'biblers (aside from Crinsk) who would happily buy it.

Considering there was nothing on the record to suggest this was basically a reissue in a new shiny cover then i would say they were trying to fool fans into buying the same material thrice.

But the song titles are all right on the front cover! The only fans being fooled would be the exceptionally stupid/illiterate ones.

I agree with you as a rule about greedy record companies endlessly repackaging the same stuff - you know I do - but I'm just cutting Vee Jay some slack in this particular situation, since they largely got screwed by a much BIGGER, greedier record company. (And yeah, I guess the label owner's gambling and embezzling didn't help.)

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meanmistermustard said

I dislike record companies that treat fans with little regard or respect and see us solely as cash cows. I know they are there to make money at the end of it all and therefore we have to pay prices for what they put out but shoving out ill-conceived products, put together on the cheap, charging a decent wedge of money and expecting fans to digest it and be thankful annoys me.

Why should i like a record company like Vee-Jay for reissuing an album in a shiny new cover and pretending its not the second re-issue of the music contained? They didnt even bother to print new discs at times, they just put unsold ones n the new cover.

Why should i big up Apple who can't put out Love Me Do on a 45" single without getting the version right or think that instead of the promo video's we will be happy with a limited edition chocolate box opener that plays Savoy Truffle ?

If they do it well and with thought then i'll praise them, if they get it wrong or do a crap job then i'll bring it up.

I was eagerly anticipating your reponse to post #9. You did not dissapoint.

You also came up with another gem of a Faux Fab Collectable. Well done!
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A young fan goes into a store and see's a new album by the Beatles (or whoever) proudly on display with a whole new shiny cover and name - they're gonna get super excited and want to buy, it wont even occur to them to sit down for 5 minutes and study the track listing to see what, if anything, is a duplicate. They then go back and bug their parents to get them it, parents who probably havent got a clue what Beatles songs exist never mind their kid have. You can't blame the 10 year old for buying it or accuse them of being stupid and say "tough".

You can't tell me Vee-Jay and all the others don't know this would happen and weren't banking on it. 

This kind of thing happens with bootlegs as well. Knock-off copies designed to garner sales. Its all about making a buck.

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Sorry, but I do blame the 10-year olds who didn't take 30 seconds to scan the front cover and confirm that the album contained nothing they may already have purchased. There would've been at least about a half-dozen different Beatles albums in American racks by the time the Four Seasons thing was released. Shouldn't the kid be looking at all the albums, comparing and contrasting before making his purchase? What if instead of the song titles on the front cover, Vee Jay had simply placed the message "Contains previously released material" and some kid bought it all the same? Would that have made a difference?

(As for the parents, I agree that they were in a position to get fooled if they just bought the album on impulse, as a surprise for their kid or whatever. They couldn't be expected to necessarily know song titles on any albums the kid already owned.)

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Well, we've have to agree to disagree. 

I'm not going to blame the kid for falling for the marketing or expect him/her to work out whether or not the new LP with the shiny cover is a duplicate of another album under a different name.

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OK, agree to agree to disagree! heart

I guess on one level, I'm guilty in this argument of mentally putting my own long-ago, eleven-year-old self in the place of that imaginary 10 year old and expecting him to be like I was, hanging out in the record sections of department stores for an hour at a time, going through the racks and just looking, looking, looking, with no intention to buy anything. Just happily absorbing their essence and whatever info I could get from the covers.

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I was never like that. I looked at the records to see if anything was new and was gone if not. Even now i look in the Beatles sections, see what new stuff they have in, and then am gone. 

I also remember going thru boxes and boxes of bootlegs and reading the books when first discovering them and getting seriously annoyed at how brazenly they were at copying the same songs and shoving them on different records. They still do.

So we come from the opposing sides.

This doesnt feel like a normal BB argument. Shouldnt i be yelling that my side is 100% correct and adding lots of a-hard-days-night-paul-11a-hard-days-night-paul-11a-hard-days-night-paul-11?

Ah, the olden days!

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meanmistermustard said

So we come from the opposing sides.

Well, not so much - I still get as outraged as you do by record company greed and endless repackaging! But I'd be more outraged at a label re-releasing something in its entirety a few months later if they tried to entice buyers with a single "bonus" track they'd previously held back, so that fans would be basically forced to buy the damn thing again if they wanted that one song. I consider that worse than just including the same contents in a new package - which is itself pretty undesirable. And really, the only reason I'm excusing Vee Jay for doing exactly that is because they weren't trying to be greedy as much as simply stay in business by getting as much product onto the market before their deadline of October 1964 or whenever it was. Kids were buying anything with the word "Beatles" on it, and I'm sure many of them were happy to buy everything they could, even knowing they weren't getting any new music. I don't see how Vee Jay couldn't exploit that.

But yeah: record companies = evil!

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... I know there are definitely 'biblers (aside from Crinsk) who would happily buy it.

Oh I'd happily buy it!  I'd be ecstatic.  I just don't have the money.

Hmm, I am one of those "fooled" 10-year-olds yet I do see what companies do.  I'd know my songs and I'd know that I was buying double, but I'd do it.  The obsessed Victorian one-of-everything collector in me would have to have it because of that whole new package with those True Bios (haha) inside, plus a poster... I would totally buy it.  And now look where I'd be: I'd have a $1200 record because yes mine would be pristine.

I mean, record companies are still doing it and will never stop.  How many times can you package singles and unreleaseds and whatever... holding on to recordings that they could release at once but make us wait, they time it all to keep us buying over the years.  We've all been buying new old records for years.  I - and probably/hopefully you - had tapes of outtakes before the Anthologies came out so all they did was add a few songs and package it nicely and make an event out of it!  But it was quite an event, and when you're a kid, that excitement is contagious and New Beatles in your lifetime is huge.  With the mono records package coming out at $300 or whatever plus a limited edition book inside... more record sales.  Do I want shiny new records to open up as if I am a kid in the 60s getting them for the first time?  Absolutely.  Do I want to buy $3 records for $300?  No, but it's the nostalgia and the thrill.  And there are (perhaps sentimental and not economical or sensible) Beatles fans being born every year.  Every generation sucks it up and continues to feed the market.  Evil, yes.  But we do it.  We want that "Something New" that just isn't happening anymore.

Oh that's funny it doesn't recognise that album name, huh. Glitch!

@vb and mmm, love your "argument"!

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It's a straight copy of 'Introducing The Beatles' (which Vee-Jay owned the song rights to), reissued to fool fans into buying the same songs again (which they also did for the album 'Songs, Pictures and Stories of the Fabulous Beatles'). It sold enough to get to #142 in the Billboard Chart. Wiki's entry for the LP.

You can playlist the Beatles songs if you have 'Please Please Me ' so unless you want the artwork (if that comes with the download) or the Four Seasons tracks then there isn't much point in downloading it.

To post pics simply copy and paste it into your post (see here).

I agree here. This is just 'Introducing The Beatles' packaged with a Four Season's greatest hits album which is no longer available. You can make a playlist of the Beatles songs but the Four Seasons portion of songs are hard to find. I have thought about recreating this album in my itunes but have not been able to find all the songs by the Four Seasons.

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