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Celebrated_Mr_K
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5 July 2010 - 4.10pm

I'm not talking about Abbey Road or Let it Be.  (The debate over which of those two was really the last will never end).

I'm talking about an album that could have emerged in 1970 if the Beatles had held it together for one last effort.  So I imagined an album like the White Album, with the guys' pretty much working independently and then bringing it all together.  I kept it to a single disc (rather than a double LP.

This is stuff they all recorded at that time…I stayed away from 1971, which would have allowed me to use great stuff like "Happy Xmas (War is Over), "Imagine", and "Too Many People".

Obviously, I have too much time on my hands, but I think I'll actually try and compile this collection on a CD for my own jollies and see how it comes off.

All the band members have their moments, including Ringo.  The one thing that jumps out at me is that for the first time in years, McCartney's work takes a back seat to Lennon and Harrison. Nevertheless, I think this would have been an awesome album.

Anyway, the lost album is Last Rites.  Feel free to critique both the selection and the order.  Here goes:

Last Rites

 

Side One:

1)     What Is Life (Harrison)

2)     Another Day (McCartney)

3)     Sentimental Journey (Homer, Green, and Brown, performed by Starr)

4)     Mother (Lennon)

5)     Power To The People (Lennon)

6)     Maybe I’m Amazed (McCartney)

Side Two:

1)     Instant Karma (Lennon)

2)     My Sweet Lord (Harrison)

3)     That Would be Something (McCartney)

4)     If Not For You (B. Dylan, performed by Harrison)

5)     Isn’t It a Pity (Harrison)

6)     Give Peace A Chance (Lennon)

7)     My Mummy’s Dead (Lennon)

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Joe
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5 July 2010 - 4.40pm

You could have included quite a bit from Imagine, as not many of those songs were written that year. Oh My Love and Jealous Guy (as Child Of Nature) dated from 1968, Oh Yoko! from the following year.

I may be wrong, but I think the only brand new songs were How Do You Sleep? and I Don't Want To Be A Soldier, both of which were written in the studio.

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5 July 2010 - 5.30pm

I would swap out If Not For You for All Things Must Pass

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Von Bontee
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5 July 2010 - 6.10pm

I'm someone who LOVES making up albums that don't exist, so I give my full support to your effort!

As for song selection, everyone's got their own opinions. I personally don't think two of John's "mother" songs would be needed, so I'd exchange one of them for "Cold Turkey".  (I'm assuming that unused recordings from 1969 are eligible...)

You've certainly been generous to George: Three songs of his own PLUS a Dylan cover! Versus only three songs from Paul. I can't imagine Paul allowing himself to be outdone by George, so I'd add Paul's "Come And Get It" and lose one of the Harrisongs. Probably "If Not For You" - even though i love the novelty of a cover (a DYLAN cover!) on a late period Beatles album; and despite the fact that it's a better song than "My Sweet Lord".

I've never heard the Ringo track, so I can't really comment on it. But I think Ringo might've wanted to have a song that he wrote all by hisself. Was it too early for "It Don't Come Easy"? (Or "Early 1970"?)

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5 July 2010 - 7.01pm

Von Bontee said:

I'm someone who LOVES making up albums that don't exist, so I give my full support to your effort!

As for song selection, everyone's got their own opinions. I personally don't think two of John's "mother" songs would be needed, so I'd exchange one of them for "Cold Turkey".  (I'm assuming that unused recordings from 1969 are eligible...)

You've certainly been generous to George: Three songs of his own PLUS a Dylan cover! Versus only three songs from Paul. I can't imagine Paul allowing himself to be outdone by George, so I'd add Paul's "Come And Get It" and lose one of the Harrisongs. Probably "If Not For You" - even though i love the novelty of a cover (a DYLAN cover!) on a late period Beatles album; and despite the fact that it's a better song than "My Sweet Lord".

I've never heard the Ringo track, so I can't really comment on it. But I think Ringo might've wanted to have a song that he wrote all by hisself. Was it too early for "It Don't Come Easy"? (Or "Early 1970"?)


To be honest, after the beatles it was obvious that George's writing has surpassed John and Paul's combined.

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GniknuS
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5 July 2010 - 7.04pm

I like this idea, but I'd swap out all of the Lennon songs except for Mother and Instant Karma and I would add God, I Found Out and Working Class Hero. I'd also include Harrison's Apple Scruffs, but I don't know what I'd take out. Actually I might just make a Lennon/Harrison album because of the quality of their stuff.

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5 July 2010 - 7.15pm

MrBig said:

Von Bontee said:

I'm someone who LOVES making up albums that don't exist, so I give my full support to your effort!

As for song selection, everyone's got their own opinions. I personally don't think two of John's "mother" songs would be needed, so I'd exchange one of them for "Cold Turkey".  (I'm assuming that unused recordings from 1969 are eligible...)

You've certainly been generous to George: Three songs of his own PLUS a Dylan cover! Versus only three songs from Paul. I can't imagine Paul allowing himself to be outdone by George, so I'd add Paul's "Come And Get It" and lose one of the Harrisongs. Probably "If Not For You" - even though i love the novelty of a cover (a DYLAN cover!) on a late period Beatles album; and despite the fact that it's a better song than "My Sweet Lord".

I've never heard the Ringo track, so I can't really comment on it. But I think Ringo might've wanted to have a song that he wrote all by hisself. Was it too early for "It Don't Come Easy"? (Or "Early 1970"?)


To be honest, after the beatles it was obvious that George's writing has surpassed John and Paul's combined.
 

I don't think that's true at all. Plastic Ono Band has some of the most honest songwriting ever. They all just had different inspirations as writers, George's was spiritual, Paul's was love and John's was his introspective honesty.

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5 July 2010 - 7.23pm

GniknuS said:

MrBig said:

Von Bontee said:

I'm someone who LOVES making up albums that don't exist, so I give my full support to your effort!

As for song selection, everyone's got their own opinions. I personally don't think two of John's "mother" songs would be needed, so I'd exchange one of them for "Cold Turkey".  (I'm assuming that unused recordings from 1969 are eligible...)

You've certainly been generous to George: Three songs of his own PLUS a Dylan cover! Versus only three songs from Paul. I can't imagine Paul allowing himself to be outdone by George, so I'd add Paul's "Come And Get It" and lose one of the Harrisongs. Probably "If Not For You" - even though i love the novelty of a cover (a DYLAN cover!) on a late period Beatles album; and despite the fact that it's a better song than "My Sweet Lord".

I've never heard the Ringo track, so I can't really comment on it. But I think Ringo might've wanted to have a song that he wrote all by hisself. Was it too early for "It Don't Come Easy"? (Or "Early 1970"?)


To be honest, after the beatles it was obvious that George's writing has surpassed John and Paul's combined.

 


I don't think that's true at all. Plastic Ono Band has some of the most honest songwriting ever. They all just had different inspirations as writers, George's was spiritual, Paul's was love and John's was his introspective honesty.
 

Thing is, George never really had a bad song since the break up of the Beatles. John's Instant Karma was pretty bad, and Paul's "Admiral Halsey", well, that's self-explanatory.

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GniknuS
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5 July 2010 - 7.41pm

MrBig said:

GniknuS said:

MrBig said:

Von Bontee said:

I'm someone who LOVES making up albums that don't exist, so I give my full support to your effort!

As for song selection, everyone's got their own opinions. I personally don't think two of John's "mother" songs would be needed, so I'd exchange one of them for "Cold Turkey".  (I'm assuming that unused recordings from 1969 are eligible...)

You've certainly been generous to George: Three songs of his own PLUS a Dylan cover! Versus only three songs from Paul. I can't imagine Paul allowing himself to be outdone by George, so I'd add Paul's "Come And Get It" and lose one of the Harrisongs. Probably "If Not For You" - even though i love the novelty of a cover (a DYLAN cover!) on a late period Beatles album; and despite the fact that it's a better song than "My Sweet Lord".

I've never heard the Ringo track, so I can't really comment on it. But I think Ringo might've wanted to have a song that he wrote all by hisself. Was it too early for "It Don't Come Easy"? (Or "Early 1970"?)


To be honest, after the beatles it was obvious that George's writing has surpassed John and Paul's combined.
 

I don't think that's true at all. Plastic Ono Band has some of the most honest songwriting ever. They all just had different inspirations as writers, George's was spiritual, Paul's was love and John's was his introspective honesty.

 


Thing is, George never really had a bad song since the break up of the Beatles. John's Instant Karma was pretty bad, and Paul's "Admiral Halsey", well, that's self-explanatory.
 

I don't know, Ding Dong Ding Dong is pretty bad.

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Celebrated_Mr_K
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6 July 2010 - 3.43am

GniknuS said:

MrBig said:

Von Bontee said:


To be honest, after the beatles it was obvious that George's writing has surpassed John and Paul's combined.

 


I don't think that's true at all. Plastic Ono Band has some of the most honest songwriting ever. They all just had different inspirations as writers, George's was spiritual, Paul's was love and John's was his introspective honesty.
 

 

Agreed!  I believe the songs I selected clearly show where their hearts and minds were in 1970.  An album highlighting all three would be superior for that reason.  Which is what made the Beatles special.  The differences created magic.

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Celebrated_Mr_K
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6 July 2010 - 3.51am

I disagree with Big's assessment of "Instant Karma."  The refrain--"we all shine on"--is actually quite brilliant.  Love the song.

My biggest problem with John's post-Beatles work is the production of Phil Spector.  When Spector isn't preoccupied with mangling young women, he's mangling songs with his trademark "wall of sound" rubbish.  I know John was trying to get as down to basics as he could, but Spector turned his voice into a rather grating instrument, and his arrangements to mud.  The central brilliance of the songs rescues them.  I would have loved to hear these gems produced by George Martin.

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GniknuS
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7 July 2010 - 2.11am

Celebrated_Mr_K said:

I disagree with Big's assessment of "Instant Karma."  The refrain--"we all shine on"--is actually quite brilliant.  Love the song.

My biggest problem with John's post-Beatles work is the production of Phil Spector.  When Spector isn't preoccupied with mangling young women, he's mangling songs with his trademark "wall of sound" rubbish.  I know John was trying to get as down to basics as he could, but Spector turned his voice into a rather grating instrument, and his arrangements to mud.  The central brilliance of the songs rescues them.  I would have loved to hear these gems produced by George Martin.


Honestly I don't think John could have worked with George Martin as his producer for at least the early part of his solo career. I think Plastic Ono Band was the "honest" album that he told George he wanted Let It Be to be like.

I agree with you that some of his mid-70's stuff is too Spectorized, even his Rock 'n Roll album that was just supposed to be John singing the old hits is overdone. Listening to the youtube video of Stand By Me and then hearing the actual recording of it is like night and day, it's just like 'what did they do to it!?'

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Joe
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7 July 2010 - 1.26pm

I hate to piss on your chips (as we sometimes say here in the UK), but Stand By Me wasn't produced by Phil Spector. Only about three or four songs on Rock N Roll were produced by him - the rest were done by Lennon after Spector did his vanishing act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.....ck_listing

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GniknuS
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7 July 2010 - 5.19pm

Joe said:

I hate to piss on your chips (as we sometimes say here in the UK), but Stand By Me wasn't produced by Phil Spector. Only about three or four songs on Rock N Roll were produced by him - the rest were done by Lennon after Spector did his vanishing act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.....ck_listing


That's true, but I still think that Spector was the biggest influence on the production. John had the Spectorized wall of sound in mind when he went to record the album, he asked Phil to do it, so even if Spector didn't actually produce it, the goal was to achieve that sound.

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7 July 2010 - 9.45pm

Joe said:

I hate to piss on your chips (as we sometimes say here in the UK),


 

*off topic* I'm sooo teaching that one to my students today ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

Edit : BTW since I have very little knowledge about Beatles-solo work (I only know a few songs) I'm totally in blank about this topic. It's interesting to read though

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7 July 2010 - 9.48pm

MrBig said:

I would swap out If Not For You for All Things Must Pass


 

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7 July 2010 - 9.48pm

mithveaen said:

Joe said:

I hate to piss on your chips (as we sometimes say here in the UK),


 

*off topic* I'm sooo teaching that one to my students today ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOO


 

Baaahahahahaha I still really wish I was in your class, mithveaen! a-hard-days-night-john-6

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7 July 2010 - 10.05pm

A Fiendish Thingy said:

mithveaen said:

Joe said:

I hate to piss on your chips (as we sometimes say here in the UK),


 

*off topic* I'm sooo teaching that one to my students today ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOO


 

Baaahahahahaha I still really wish I was in your class, mithveaen! a-hard-days-night-john-6


 

Well I'm not supposed to teach my students bad words but we sometimes we have to do it because our students say them totally unaware of their meaning. When someone asks me for example, what's "screw it up" I just say "It's a bad word to say you did something wrong, but don't use it in my class"

 

My favorite story as a teacher is when many years ago there was a group taking a TOEFL type end of course exam The exam is long and quite boring, and it takes 3 classes. Anyway. There was this class, 3 teens and a nice lady. The teacher was helping another teacher outside the classroom, the doors was opened, and the teens, (who don't care much about these exams) started chatting. They were talking like for 20 minutes, they had already finished the exam, the lady was truly struggling to finish hers, when all of sudden she turned and said "F*ck you in the exam! F*ck you in the exam pleasseeee"! All the kids looked at her without knowing what to say, and the teacher entered to the classroom asking "What happened?" and the lady said "They don't f***k you in the exam teacher and I can't f** you in mine!!." and the teacher, making the best poker face he could said "Ahh I think you mean focus.. not f*** you".

 

The poor lady didn't remember how to say "focus" and didn't know she was saying a bad word. She was all red face and today when I or my coworkers want to say a bad words we said "Focus!! Focus!!"

 

Another favorite is when my students were practicing places and classroom objects, I had some balls to make the students play and practice, and I put them under a chair. So a girl asked a boy "Where are the balls?" and my poor student instead of "The balls" he said "My balls are under the chair". I had to bite my lips to not laugh.

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7 July 2010 - 10.11pm

Oh my goodness, I literally laughed out loud reading that! Hahahahaha! a-hard-days-night-ringo-9

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