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Is Sgt Pepper overrated?
17 June 2019
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For me "Sgt Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band" is not only my favorite Beatles album but I think it is the greatest album of all time by anyone.

Is it a concept album? No. But like Ringo said, "it was a concept album because we said it was." Fine.

For me it was a semi-masquerade to hook you into the album, I was blown away at this "new sound" that they came up with. I thought it was the beginning of some  sort of revolutionary way to change music. 

I got it when I was 13 in 1967 and I played it over and over. I have had my ups and downs with it over the decades but now after 50 plus years I think it is the G.O.A.T.

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By most definitions it is a concept album. The entire idea for the album was based on the concept that The Beatles could release music under a new guise, as a different band. Plus you’ve got an opener and a reprise with different sections flowing together. 

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By most definitions it is a concept album. The entire idea for the album was based on the concept that The Beatles could release music under a new guise, as a different band. Plus you’ve got an opener and a reprise with different sections flowing together. 

  

I guess for me the term 'concept' means that there is a continuing story being told with each song. 

I do understand what you said about the new guise thing, I have always felt that Sgt Peppers was a live show performance on record. The first sounds you hear we are getting comfy in our theater music hall seats and away we go with the show.

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WillowRunSon said

I guess for me the term 'concept' means that there is a continuing story being told with each song. 

Understandable, but by that definition, a lot of classic so-called concept albums might be kind of disqualified... like Wish You Were Here.

I do understand what you said about the new guise thing, I have always felt that Sgt Peppers was a live show performance on record. The first sounds you hear we are getting comfy in our theater music hall seats and away we go with the show.  

Ironic, isn't it, considering that was the most elaborately produced Beatles record to date...

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Beatlebug said

Ironic, isn't it, considering that was the most elaborately produced Beatles record to date...

  

I know and they pulled it off!!!

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Wouldn't a continuing story behind each song mean it would be best described as a story album or a rock opera? A concept is just that - a concept. In Sgt Pepper , the concept in question is that the whole album is a performance by the titular band. Also, I think people underestimate how much the album plays into the concept. I think Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite definitely fits the concept in that it sounds like an announcement as part of the show, and then there's all the little details like the laughter at the end of Within You Without You

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Is Sgt Pepper overrated? 

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QuarryMan said
Wouldn't a continuing story behind each song mean it would be best described as a story album or a rock opera? A concept is just that - a concept. In Sgt Pepper , the concept in question is that the whole album is a performance by the titular band. Also, I think people underestimate how much the album plays into the concept. I think Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite definitely fits the concept in that it sounds like an announcement as part of the show, and then there's all the little details like the laughter at the end of Within You Without You

  

I feel like the concept of it being a live show is kinda contradicted by all the time they spent on the production of it.  It's definitely more cohesive than most of their other albums at the time, but to me there's no real concept to it besides the beginning and end, and a really awkwardly shoehorned in laugh after Within You Without You .

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Ironic, isn't it, considering that was the most elaborately produced Beatles record to date...  

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I know, but we don't know the size and instrumental capabilities of the band. Maybe those four at the front get a little assistance from those suited chaps to their right or the hordes behind them - I think they'd be more than able to pull off the arrangements in a live setting a-hard-days-night-john-7a-hard-days-night-john-6

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To me, the closest thing to me considering it a concept album, is the fact that it's made to be an album experience with artistic intention in how songs flow together, and just the fact that this album sounds very cohesive.  I just don't think the concept of "being an album" (as revolutionary as that concept may have been at the time) really warrants the title of concept album.

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And the Beatles had kind of already been going in that direction before Pepper, as well as the Beach Boys with Pet Sounds. a-hard-days-night-ringo-8

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Yes, it's overrated but there are albums I feel are as overrated

Radiohead - OK Computer

Pink Floyd - The Wall

Who - Quadrophenia

U2 - The Joshua Tree

Guns N Roses - Appetite for Destruction

Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde

Kinks - Village Green Preservation Society

Paul Simon - Graceland

Eagles - Hotel California

Hm George Harrison - All Things Must Pass

These are all good to great albums, and you might call them classics but they've gained an overesteemed reputation they don't quite deserve. Pepper belongs on this list. I'm now changing into my bulletproof clothing.

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12 March 2020
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Dingle Lad said
Yes, it's overrated but there are albums I feel are as overrated

Radiohead - OK Computer

Pink Floyd - The Wall

Who - Quadrophenia

U2 - The Joshua Tree

Guns N Roses - Appetite for Destruction

Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde

Kinks - Village Green Preservation Society

Paul Simon - Graceland

Eagles - Hotel California

Hm George Harrison - All Things Must Pass

These are all good to great albums, and you might call them classics but they've gained an overesteemed reputation they don't quite deserve. Pepper belongs on this list. I'm now changing into my bulletproof clothing.

  

Mike, with your extensive tastes, you may wish to participate in this thread...

https://www.beatlesbible.com/f.....#p342656 

Sorry for derail

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Dingle Lad said
I'm now changing into my bulletproof clothing.  

Ha! Don't worry, we're all very civil here. You might get some arguments, though.

I personally love at least three and a half of the albums you list as overrated, so I can't really say whether they're overrated because I have a personal connection with them that's all I care about. I notice you don't include The Dark Side of the Moon or Abbey Road in your overrated list -- I wouldn't, either. ahdn_george_06

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Beatlebug said:

I notice you don't include The Dark Side of the Moon or Abbey Road in your overrated list -- I wouldn't, either. ahdn_george_06

  

Simply, because neither are.

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Dingle Lad said
Yes, it's overrated but there are albums I feel are as overrated

Radiohead - OK Computer

Pink Floyd - The Wall

Who - Quadrophenia

U2 - The Joshua Tree

Guns N Roses - Appetite for Destruction

Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde

Kinks - Village Green Preservation Society

Paul Simon - Graceland

Eagles - Hotel California

Hm George Harrison - All Things Must Pass

These are all good to great albums, and you might call them classics but they've gained an overesteemed reputation they don't quite deserve. Pepper belongs on this list. I'm now changing into my bulletproof clothing.

  

I can see your point.  While these albums are great, anything overplayed becomes annoying to some degree.

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As you can see from your Revolver post I'm actually listening to Pepper right now. Giles' High-Res stereo mix. I think it's groovy as hell. It took me many tries over the past 15 months but I finally kicked out yesterday.

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Not my favourite (that’s the White Album ), but a top tier album and definitely not overrated! I see a lot of Pepper clothing out and about, and I’m getting a Pepper shirt and beanie myself. john-lennon-salute_gif

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