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Scrapping MMT and Yellow Submarine as official albums and Splitting Past Masters up to 3 volumes
11 January 2015
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Any thoughts on this?Long Tall Sally was an ep and it was compiled on Vol.1.Both Magical Mystery Tour and Yellow Submarine was originally released as EPs(I know they scrapped the idea),but they were subsequently released as albums.Because of this there is a gap between Revolver non-album singles and White Album era songs.Should the label have gone this route back then,like Mono Masters putting the 4 YS songs on that compilation but also include MMT as well since none of those are "real albums"

 

Past Masters 2

1. Day Tripper

2. We Can Work It Out

3. Paperback Writer

4. Rain

5. Strawberry Fields Forever

6. Penny Lane

7. All You Need Is Love

8. Baby You're A Rich Man

9. Hello Goodbye

10. I Am The Walrus

11. Magical Mystery Tour

12. Your Mother Should Know

13. The Fool On The Hill

14. Flying

15. Blue Jay Way

 

Past Masters 3

1. Lady Madonna

2. The Inner Light

3. Hey Jude

4. Revolution

5. Only A Northern Song

6. All Together Now

7. Hey Bulldog

8. It's All Too Much

9. Get Back

10. Don't Let me Down

11. The Ballad Of John And Yoko

12. Old Brown Shoe

13. Across The Universe

14. Let it Be

15. You Know my Name

13 January 2015
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It would have made some logical sense, since MMT was a UK EP but is now the only Capitol album to become part of the canon. However, if there was no MMT album reissue there'd be no artwork, including the booklet and lyric sheet. That, I think, is important.

If they put out 3x Past Masters  and the MMT album people would rightly accuse Apple of being greedy and exploiting the fans. I think they made the right decision.

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  I agree with Joe.  Furthermore for once, I agree with Capitol records for making it an LP over the original EP,  (and making it virtually the same, not butchering it) and obviously the Beatles agreed with it too, or Apple wouldn't have released the new re-issues with it if they were against it.  apple01

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As for scrapping Yellow Submarine ,  you just can't undo an LP that was done!!!! a-hard-days-night-ringo-6

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Maybe when Apple re-released these (stereo/mono) LP boxes, they should have also released the 45's & EP's too.  Then there would be no need for Past Masters !

 

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Release them separately months apart and they get more money.

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I think they should've had an LP/CD containing the Magical Mystery Tour EP on side A followed by the 5 Beatles tracks on Yellow Submarine yet to be released on a UK album on side B.

Then for Past Masters , we move We Can Work It Out , Day Tripper , Paperback Writer , and Rain to disc 1 and add Strawberry Fields Forever , Penny Lane , Baby, You're A Rich Man, and Hello, Goodbye to disc 2.

As for the artwork, one side of the cover would have the MMT cover and the other side having the Yellow Submarine cover, with the book in the gatefold.

The Past Masters LP would have to be arranged like so since the sides wouldn't match up otherwise. Instead of leaving side F blank, i included 5 bonus tracks from Anthology:

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@Joe said on 13 January 2015
It would have made some logical sense, since MMT was a UK EP but is now the only Capitol album to become part of the canon. However, if there was no MMT album reissue there'd be no artwork, including the booklet and lyric sheet. That, I think, is important.

If they put out 3x Past Masters  and the MMT album people would rightly accuse Apple of being greedy and exploiting the fans. I think they made the right decision.  

I wonder how you feel in 2018, now knowing all the Capitol albums, even including The Beatles Story, have been reissued, meaning there is no doubt the Capitol MMT would have been reissued with its glorious artwork intact, would Past Masters  be better served and make more sense by not having a big 1967-shaped hole in it?

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That's the one thing that used to bother me about PM2: the lack of 1967 representation. But at the time, I wasn't aware that "You Know My Name" largely dated from that year...

"Xmas Time...", the full version, would appear to be the only other uncollected '67 recording that may have warranted inclusion in that comp, although I really don't miss it (it's not great 🙁 ).

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@Ron Nasty The Capitol albums were reissued in 2014 to coincide with the 50th anniversary of The Beatles coming to the US, a full year before Joe made that comment in 2015.

But since we're on the topic, if it were up to you, would you put the EP tracks on Past Masters or on it's own disc.

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I know that "Submarine" is a different mix, but do the other "Threetles" b-sides differ from the released takes? And what's your rationale for including "Devil"? 

Not protesting at all, just truly curious...

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@Von Bontee, on PPM I Saw Her Standing Her is the count-in from take 9 edited onto take 1, the FaaB single included the full take 9:

The Baby It's You  single to promote Live At The BBC  featured three songs not included on it. The versions of I'll Follow The Sun  and Boys  were included on On Air, but that album used a version of Devil In Her Heart  that was recorded for Pop Go The Beatles on 3 September 1963 while the single had used a version recorded for the same show on 16 July:

This Boy  on the FaaB single are studio outtakes, takes 12 & 13:

While Here, There And Everywhere  on Real Love  is an combination of take 7 (mono mix of basic track and guide vocal) with harmonies overdubbed onto take 13:

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23 December 2018
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Thanks @Ron Nasty

It's interesting how you opted for the US tracklisting for Magical Mystery Tour instead of the UK order, especially considering how strongly you feel that Capitol's version isn't a proper album.

I also noticed that All You Need Is Love is included but not the other 4 Beatles songs on Yellow Submarine that aren't on a UK album, was that intentional?

As for the BBC and Anthology B-sides, i personally wouldn't include them, mainly because they're either alternate takes or live versions but it got me thinking about whether or not Free As A Bird and Real Love should be on Past Masters or not.

By the way, which ones are in mono and which ones are in stereo.

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Wait ... what? How could you possibly say that Magical Mystery Tour isn’t a “real album”? It’s got some lovely songs on it. And about Yellow Submarine , even though it’s got few tracks, it has the instrumental soundtrack from the film.

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Wait ... what? How could you possibly say that Magical Mystery Tour isn’t a “real album”? It’s got some lovely songs on it. And about Yellow Submarine , even though it’s got few tracks, it has the instrumental soundtrack from the film.  

@silverhammerYT , I believe it is a technical distinction and not one of opinion. For instance, MMT isn't technically an album. I don't know what they released it as in the US, but in the U.K. it was released as a double EP, not a studio album. Don't worry, it's got nothing to do with the songs. I agree, MMT and YS are both lovely (though I think YS would be better with other songs from the film instead of the orchestral soundtracks, but that's just me.) @Ron Nasty can correct me if I'm wrong.

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In America Magical Mystery Tour was released as an album. Side A included the songs from the EP and Side B included singles from 1967 so that is why Strawberry Fields Forever , Penny Lane , All You Need Is Love , Hello Goodbye and Baby, You're a Rich Man are included. 

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50yearslate said

@silverhammerYT , I believe it is a technical distinction and not one of opinion. For instance, MMT isn't technically an album. I don't know what they released it as in the US, but in the U.K. it was released as a double EP, not a studio album. Don't worry, it's got nothing to do with the songs. I agree, MMT and YS are both lovely (though I think YS would be better with other songs from the film instead of the orchestral soundtracks, but that's just me.) @Ron Nasty can correct me if I'm wrong.  

I see. It’s considered an album by most of the US. If you Google search Magical Mystery Tour , it shows results as “Album by The Beatles”.

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In America Magical Mystery Tour was released as an album. Side A included the songs from the EP and Side B included singles from 1967 so that is why Strawberry Fields Forever , Penny Lane , All You Need Is Love , Hello Goodbye and Baby, You're a Rich Man are included.   

That's the one I have. Is it considered a soundtrack album or a studio album? Is there a significant difference?

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Well in America it was released as an album. I consider Magical Mystery Tour an EP but I believe the American version was released when The Beatles catalogue was released on CD so all of the songs on Side B could be released. 

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50yearslate said
That's the one I have. Is it considered a soundtrack album or a studio album? Is there a significant difference?  

I wouldn't consider it a soundtrack album since 4 of the songs weren't in the film and the film wasn't even released in the US until 1974, 7 years after the LP.

I'd call it a studio album although i think it's technically a compilation album.

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