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Live At the Hollywood Bowl
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Well, I was listening to the lads on Spotify, switching between Abbey Road and Anthology 3 as I near the end of Geoff Emmerick's book, and I noticed a new single by The Beatles. I've spotted the first official release of a Hollywood Bowl track!

As I'm sure was expected it's a lot of screaming with some Beatles in the background... but the screaming is crystal clear!

Twist And Shout . I have a strange feeling this audio accompanies the moment where the GIF was created.

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Now that we've got a minute and a half of it, how do you all think the recordings will turn out?

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NPR has an article on the new Hollywood Bowl. It includes the first full song to be made available to those who don't use streaming services, A Hard Day's Night , and comments from Giles on The Beatles live and the album.

I have to admit I'm not sure I like Giles work on this one. I'm withholding opinion until I've heard the whole thing. At the moment though, I expect to be disappointed.

The roar of the crowd is pushed too far back for my liking. When I first heard GM's original, probably in '81 the jet engine roar of that crowd throughout, with the music struggling to be heard above, that taught me what Beatlemania was. I could hear the hurricane, the eye of the storm The Beatles found themselves trapped within.

I don't hear it here so far. I hear a strangely artificial representation of the sound of the Hollywood Bowl. Like a photograph where you see parts of it have been blurred to push forward other parts of the image, but you're distracted by the blurring.

I do hope the whole album proves me wrong.

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I like that you can hear the Beatles more, that's what I like but it will probably pass after a listen or two and the novelty wears off, but it does feel/sound more like an indoor performance than out in the night air (if that makes sense), and there are definitely drop-outs, or at least sound inconsistencies in the video; check out when John comes back in the second time after Paul does his bit - lets hope that's not the case with the actual album.

 

Giles has a history for messing about too much and I know there was a lot of concern from Beatles fans elsewhere of his involvement in the project.

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Although the quality of the instruments is nowhere near as good it reminds me of the effect you get on a sound desk recording where the crowd sound eerily in the distance. I can understand them wanting to push the music more the the fore as it's the most important thing but I know what you mean @Ron Nasty 

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And here's another thought, having just listened through headphones to get an idea of the stereo picture, why is Ringo playing drums from the right hand side of the stage? John stood to the right of the stage (audience pov), and his vocals are centred, while Ringo sat slap-bang centre stage, but his drums have been (mainly) shifted right.

I fully believe that in the not too distant future, the technology will exist to cleanly pull apart the constituent parts of a recording cleanly. We're not there yet, and it just seems the compromises Giles has made are different to those his father had to make.

Time will come when there's no need for the compromises.

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And here's another thought, having just listened through headphones to get an idea of the stereo picture, why is Ringo playing drums from the right hand side of the stage? John stood to the right of the stage (audience pov), and his vocals are centred, while Ringo sat slap-bang centre stage, but his drums have been (mainly) shifted right.

I fully believe that in the not too distant future, the technology will exist to cleanly pull apart the constituent parts of a recording cleanly. We're not there yet, and it just seems the compromises Giles has made are different to those his father had to make.

Time will come when there's no need for the compromises.  

We're actually a lot closer than you might think 

 

When you have some time and you're ready to have your mind blown by the potential of the stereo music format being antiquated 

 

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This is a really exciting prospect and hope Apple Corps Ltd. is one of the first involved

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Ron Nasty said
NPR has an article on the new Hollywood Bowl. It includes the first full song to be made available to those who don't use streaming services, A Hard Day's Night , and comments from Giles on The Beatles live and the album.

I have to admit I'm not sure I like Giles work on this one. I'm withholding opinion until I've heard the whole thing. At the moment though, I expect to be disappointed.

The roar of the crowd is pushed too far back for my liking. When I first heard GM's original, probably in '81 the jet engine roar of that crowd throughout, with the music struggling to be heard above, that taught me what Beatlemania was. I could hear the hurricane, the eye of the storm The Beatles found themselves trapped within.

I don't hear it here so far. I hear a strangely artificial representation of the sound of the Hollywood Bowl. Like a photograph where you see parts of it have been blurred to push forward other parts of the image, but you're distracted by the blurring.

I do hope the whole album proves me wrong.  

I have to disagree.  I am so glad the audience is pushed back.  I think the intention here by Giles is to let you hear the band much better than you otherwise would have in that sea of noise and give us a proper live album where the music is the key - not the historical experience of being there (which my friend said of seeing them in 1965 in Chicago was terrible, you couldn't make out any songs).  The films when they are released (probably alongside this documentary later in the year) on Blu-ray/DVD will be the historical representation of Beatlemania where you can see and hear them loud and clear.  But I want a Beatles live album that I can actually enjoy without being annoyed by the audience.  The original LP is always available to fans like yourself if you want more audience anyway.

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Giles' intention, @Ram4? He states it:

"...it's always my ambition to make people feel as if they're there watching the band."

To my mind, if he wants people to feel that they're in the Hollywood Bowl watching from the stalls or whatever, he has - on the evidence I have heard so far - failed. Although, as I say, I withholding final judgement until I have heard the full thing.

My argument is not that he shouldn't have done anything to reduce the audience noise, just that - in my opinion - he has reduced it too far.

I think it is like @Leppo suggested above, like one of those soundboard recordings where the atmosphere is somewhat lost.

It should also be noted that Giles has handled all the audio for the film, so we could find everything has the audience pushed back, and it seems the Shea Stadium film is the only concert that looks like will be involved in a DVD/Blu-Ray release.

And as to having GM's original release if that sort of mix is wanted, that is a deleted mix that has never been officially released on CD, and has never been officially remastered. They put out a remaster of the original mix, I'm a happy bunny. Until then, it's a legitimate complaint that the new mix, to my ears, has lost too much of the atmosphere that was there in abundance on the original mix.

And that is without getting into where the elements of the stereo picture. As I comment above, Ringo sat centre-stage, and his drums appear to the right, John stood to the right of Ringo and his vocal is centred.

I just don't believe, on what I've heard so far, Giles has succeeded in his stated ambition, rather than what you think his intention was. I do not feel like I'm at the Hollywood Bowl watching the band so far.

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Mix-wise most want to hear the vocals centered not to the left or right regardless of historical accuracy and wont have a clue or care that Ringo was centered on the stage. Do it that way and you'll go from a John vocal on the right to a Paul vocal on the left and that's annoying.

If you want to have it as close to being there as possible then it should almost be buried in screams with only the occasional word or line coming thru of the odd song - or hire 15 girls to sit around you yelling and bumping you about whilst you listen with the music playing in the distance, then you wont be able to make out where the vocals should be.

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Well, i like that the audience is pushed back. As long as the stereo thing, yeah i can understand what your point is... maybe a bit wider would've been ok. The main thing here, for me, is to be able to listen to what ,and how, they were playing. The sound they made on stage.

Also, George's solo is great ; )

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Well I'll wait until I hear it as a whole.  Based on AHDN it sounds like he's reduced it more during the majority of the songs (good idea) and brings it up between songs (good idea).  With Hollywood Bowl's very limited and primitive recording setup, I am all in favor of hearing the music anyway I can.  If that means drums left and audience pushed back, good.  I'll adjust.  But I don't want the screaming all over the music.  I'll pretend I'm near the stage away from the crowd for all I care.  We KNOW they are screaming - we don't need to be buried in it.

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Okay, glance up and down myself, yep, that looks Nasty again!

Let's get back to doing what this forum is about, talking Beatles!

Ultimate Classic Rock has posted the remixed Boys . This does sound better to me. As I said before, final judgement awaits.

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Thanks for the link for Boys .  Well on that one the crowd is definitely there!  Ringo sure sounds great and Paul's bass is pumping.  The 12 string sounds decent on the solo too.  Based on the energy from this performance, if you had told me this was the Washington DC concert from February, I would have believed it.  It's night and day from the lame Japan 1966 shows - which were cool visually having been videotaped in color of course, and for some of the newer material played, but come on - no comparison.  This is some hot stuff.

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Here's a review about the new album which is spot on.  http://www.wsj.com/articles/th.....1473197801

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Here's a review about the new album which is spot on.  http://www.wsj.com/articles/th.....1473197801  

Sums it up perfectly for me.

Moreover, with the new additions, we have 17 of the 24 songs (including the three repeats) that the Beatles played in 1964 and 1965, a total so close to completion that you wish Mr. Martin had just done the sensible thing and replaced the 1977 sequence with the full 1964 recording and one of the 1965 shows.

Putting out a suitable Beatles concert album should not be so difficult. But it is almost as if Apple is telling anyone who wants to hear a Beatles show as it happened, from start to finish with the band’s set list and pacing intact, that they should trawl the bootleg market. And that is an awfully peculiar message for a commercial concern to send.

is exactly my thoughts and what will happen. 

I never will get to understanding Apple's logic and I wish someone had the balls to ask Apple why they thought this was correct. To me its another example of taking the easy way out when it could have been executed so much better with more thought.

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I like the fact that it's incomplete. It leaves us wanting more.

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I like the fact that it's incomplete. It leaves us wanting more.  

Why? Would you want half an album so you have to wait for the rest?

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Yes, the longer the wait the better.

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Yes, the longer the wait the better.  

Paul's archive series, 'Tune In' and the 'Let It Be ' movie have that covered.

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