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Phil Spector. Love him or Loathe Him?
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I think Spector had his place in the early-mid 60's Wall Of Sound but he spoilt the original simplicity that the Get Back project was meant to showcase.  Listened yesterday to George's Early Takes Volume 1 and how much better every track sounds without the Spector treatment. I much prefer Let It Be Naked, and I believe George was looking to strip back All Things Must Pass at one point. Giles Martin would give new perspective. 

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Other than the trifling little fact that he murdered his wife, he was an influential music producer (brutally dry sarc off).

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Not his wife, but an actress, who had the temerity to want to leave his company. There's a long history of abuse with his wife Ronnie, whom, amongst others, he also threatened to kill. It was second degree murder he was charged with, even though he had a history of gun threats, including shooting in the studio as Lennon was recording the infamous Rock 'N' Roll album.   

Like so many narcissistic egomaniacs, he created something that outlasts the transgressions. I don't think he suited the Beatles, but Lennon invited him in to make something of all those tapes from Get Back . There's elements of both Let it Be and Let It Be Naked   I like, but why Spector omitted the track Don't Let me Down  from the album remains a mystery to me. 

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Not a fan. He overdid LIB like everything else he did. Too much damn reverb on everything, even George was shocked when he went back to the tapes for the remix of All Things Must Pass . John seems to have used him more successfully than most, and his work on Lennon's solo tracks are the most restrained of any, but it's a mystery to me why that is. And even Lennon had to drop him.  The wonder is that he didn't murder someone sooner, he was off his head for decades. May he never be released.

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Yes, probably to much reverb, but the album went on to be a critical and commercial success, John, George and Ringo all endorsed Spector’s work on Let It Be , Paul was left out in the cold.

Spector did go on to produce The Concert for Bangladesh album with Harrison, so he wasn't too put off. Again the album won a Grammy.

Difficult to imagine Lennon choosing anyone other than Spector after George Martin. Yes,  Spector did restrain himself on Lennon’s solo work, they were friends, it worked for a while. The antics of Spector on the Rock ‘n’ Roll album are pretty scary and hilarious; not the original mad, bad and dangerous to know, but pretty close.

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Penny Lane said
Yes, probably to much reverb, but the album went on to be a critical and commercial success, John, George and Ringo all endorsed Spector’s work on Let It Be , Paul was left out in the cold.

Spector did go on to produce The Concert for Bangladesh album with Harrison, so he wasn't too put off. Again the album won a Grammy.

Difficult to imagine Lennon choosing anyone other than Spector after George Martin. Yes,  Spector did restrain himself on Lennon’s solo work, they were friends, it worked for a while. The antics of Spector on the Rock ‘n’ Roll album are pretty scary and hilarious; not the original mad, bad and dangerous to know, but pretty close.  

Spector's work on 'LIB ' is pretty restrained compared to how he normally went about things - 'TLAWR' having the biggest changes to how it was originally and it sounds like your regular OTT ballad of modern times. John pretty much kept him on a leash on his solo albums (until the 'Rock and Roll' sessions) whereas George gave him more scope to run wild, and the results are for all to see. George drenched 'It's All Too Much ' in horns, reverb etc so he was't that adverse to going all out, and he came to dislike how 'IATM' finished as well as 'ATMP '. 

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It's ironic though that John announced to George Martin, that this was to be an honest warts and all album, that he didn't want any of George Martin's "crap" embellishing it and yet it ends up in Spector's hands with John's blessing. Iit's Spector's version I heard growing up in both my Gran and my mum's house, Let It Be ... Naked, sounded weird at first to me. I prefer TLAWR on the naked album, but I have my doubts that as a single it would have been as successful as Spector's. I definitely like that Dig it and Maggie Mae were dropped in favour of Don't Let Me Down on Naked.

 

The thing that feels most sad to me of the big fat mess of Let It Be /Get Back , was reading of John seeing Let it Be with Jann Wenner in San Francisco and crying watching the Rooftop segment, of them performing, particularly Paul. 

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I can't stand Phil Spector.  He's so overrated.  Everything he produced sounds bad to me.  Let It Be ...Naked is head and shoulders above the original in every way.  The sound, the songs selected, even the running order.

I'm glad he's in jail, where he belongs.

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I’m a fan of Spector’s work. I love the wall of sound.

Not a fan of his interpersonal skills.

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Phil Spector Keeps Memorabilia From Lennon, Etc., In Divorce Settlement
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Beatles-related things listed:
-John Lennon electric guitar, guitar case and stand. Accompanying handwritten note by Yoko Ono
-Grammy Awards, including Album of the Year award for 1972, “The Concert for Bangladesh” with George Harrison and Ravi Shankar.
-Oscar statue for The Beatles 1970 film, “Let It Be ,” which won Best Original Song Score. Spector produced the album.
-John Lennon lithographs
-6×6 framed montage created by John Lennon

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-Gold records
-Master tapes

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Yes he's not completely 'marmite' love or loathe .........

As others have said, some is great some not so great.

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I can't stand Phil Spector.  He's so overrated.  Everything he produced sounds bad to me.  Let It Be ...Naked is head and shoulders above the original in every way.  The sound, the songs selected, even the running order.

I'm glad he's in jail, where he belongs.

  

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Penny Lane said

Yes, probably to much reverb, but the album went on to be a critical and commercial success, John, George and Ringo all endorsed Spector’s work on Let It Be , Paul was left out in the cold.

Spector did go on to produce The Concert for Bangladesh album with Harrison, so he wasn't too put off. Again the album won a Grammy.

Difficult to imagine Lennon choosing anyone other than Spector after George Martin. Yes,  Spector did restrain himself on Lennon’s solo work, they were friends, it worked for a while. The antics of Spector on the Rock ‘n’ Roll album are pretty scary and hilarious; not the original mad, bad and dangerous to know, but pretty close.  

Spector's work on 'LIB ' is pretty restrained compared to how he normally went about things - 'TLAWR' having the biggest changes to how it was originally and it sounds like your regular OTT ballad of modern times. John pretty much kept him on a leash on his solo albums (until the 'Rock and Roll' sessions) whereas George gave him more scope to run wild, and the results are for all to see. George drenched 'It's All Too Much ' in horns, reverb etc so he was't that adverse to going all out, and he came to dislike how 'IATM' finished as well as 'ATMP '. 

  

Great observation. It's hard to believe that Phil Spector was involved with John Lennon /Plastic Ono Band. 

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Personally his Wall of Sound treatment had its place on some classic 1960's records but by the early 1970's he was absolutely yesterday's man. He was erratic, and ruined All Things Must Pass for me by drowning everything in echo. I definitely prefer ...Naked to the original, whether an imperfect vision of the brief or not. Stripping Spector out shows some level of feeling against what he did, and the other three owners of the rights must have agreed to it, Paul couldn't authorise it off his own bat. I'd love Giles to be given a go to do something with it to right a wrong done to George Martin, who was spot on that the credits should state "Produced by George Martin, overproduced by Phil Spector". For that matter Giles can sort out All Things Must Pass too when he's got a spare moment...

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Ah, Phil, you psycho.

love his production on Motown records and on George's ATMP , but I've gotta say I don't like what he did with this album. Now I don't know very much about what he did exactly, but I do know that it was only after watching the scene in the movie Yesterday where the main character plays The Long And Winding Road on piano that I realized how badly Phil Spector had ruined it with the choir and orchestral arrangement. If he had left it as an acoustic piano ballad (which, correct me if I'm wrong, was what Paul wanted), I would've loved that song so much more. 

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@Turn Left At Greenland said
love his production on Motown records...

But he didn't produce any records for Motown. He produced for Philles Records, the label he co-founded with Lester Sill in 1961, before buying Sill out and becoming sole owner.

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Spector produced some of the greatest records of all time; He's a Rebel, Be My Baby, You Lost that Lovin Feeling, River Deep Mountain High. Anyone who thinks you can minimize that looks foolish. His place in Rock n Roll history is secure.

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Also, I'll take his production of Let it Be over his production of the Ramones End of the Century any day.

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Turn Left At Greenland said
Ah, Phil, you psycho.

love his production on Motown records and on George's ATMP , but I've gotta say I don't like what he did with this album. Now I don't know very much about what he did exactly, but I do know that it was only after watching the scene in the movie Yesterday where the main character plays The Long And Winding Road on piano that I realized how badly Phil Spector had ruined it with the choir and orchestral arrangement. If he had left it as an acoustic piano ballad (which, correct me if I'm wrong, was what Paul wanted), I would've loved that song so much more. 

  

Completely disagree. Piano ballad version is severely lacking. Phil Spector saved the song.

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