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Where's the love for "Help!"?
24 June 2015
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Its not the comparing to the UK albums or that there were more tracks out there that they didnt know about, it was buying a full price Beatles album and getting fewer Beatles songs than compared to the other US albums (bar 'AHDN '). 

In 'Tune In' there is an account of Paul buying what he thought was a full Little Richard album in either 1958 or 1959 and being extremely pissed off to find some of the tracks weren't by Little Richard even tho the album was credited to Little Richard and someone else who i forget the name off.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

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Zig said
They probably were grateful for the new album. There was no internet on which to compare track listings, so how would they know the difference?

I certainly didn't even realize Rubber Soul was also different even know they had the same cover!!!!! a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

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Zig said
They probably were grateful for the new album. There was no internet on which to compare track listings, so how would they know the difference?

Of course, I was only 1 1/2 years old at the time. You'd should wait for an answer from one of my older fellow Americans to see how they felt about the instrumentals.

Zig hit it right on the nose, as usual.  I was, ahem, a little older at the time it was issued, and I, like Jon Snow, knew nothing.  At least, nothing about the difference between American and British versions of albums.  We were happy to get any new Beatles stuff, and if it happened to be packaged with some dreck, it was easy enough to ignore the meh. We weren't sophisticated enough to expect any different.

I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did'.
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meanmistermustard said

Its not the comparing to the UK albums or that there were more tracks out there that they didnt know about, it was buying a full price Beatles album and getting fewer Beatles songs than compared to the other US albums (bar 'AHDN '). 

In 'Tune In' there is an account of Paul buying what he thought was a full Little Richard album in either 1958 or 1959 and being extremely pissed off to find some of the tracks weren't by Little Richard even tho the album was credited to Little Richard and someone else who i forget the name off.

Oh, I knew what you were referring to - my point was they were grateful to have any new Beatles tunes - despite what came along with them - at any price. I guess I was not far off base judging by the reponses from Bongo and georgiewood.

Also, I share Paul's pain of buying an album that did not feature original recordings. A few years ago, while diving for pearls in a record store bargain bin, I bought 2 CD compilations. One was a double CD package of 50's hits and the other from the 60's - both featuring various artists. The good news was, the original artists were the ones that recorded the tunes. The bad news was they were re-recorded decades after the original releases. God -awful at that. Note to self - "read the labels more carefully when purchasing compilations". Fortunately, they were dirt cheap...for a reason.

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Also, I share Paul's pain of buying an album that did not feature original recordings. A few years ago, while diving for pearls in a record store bargain bin, I bought 2 CD compilations. One was a double CD package of 50's hits and the other from the 60's - both featuring various artists. The good news was, the original artists were the ones that recorded the tunes. The bad news was they were re-recorded decades after the original releases. God -awful at that. Note to self - "read the labels more carefully when purchasing compilations". Fortunately, they were dirt cheap...for a reason.

I got caught out by one of these when I bought a Buddy Holly cd years ago as it had a few tracks i didnt have. The first track IIRC was 'Everyday' and i got the shock of my life when i heard musicians with no talent playing along to Buddy whilst adding the shittiest backing vocals ever known to have been added to a piece of music. Thought it might be a one off so skipped to the next number and the same horror befell. Some shitty label had added a pile of crap over them. And this wasn't the Fireballs or The Crickets or any of artists to officially overdub onto Buddy's music by those who knew him. That cd was in my house for about 15 minutes.

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Hello, 

 

   I know I'm late to the party, but wanted to comment on the Help album.  I don't think it's the Beatles best album, but certainly one that is a good album with little filler. I especially prefer the mono. I was just listening to help last night. It does have some good songs on it, IMO.  I think part of the problem is not that's its a bad album, but when comparing it to their other works, it doesn't seem to be their best work. Whereas, if this were their only album, it would stand up well against other artists.  

  As someone mentioned, it's still being discussed years after it's initial release.  So I think  Help and the other works of the Beatles are timeless. 

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It's probably my favourite. I won't argue that it's the best or most important, but goddamn, what an album. The first Beatles material (along with the film) that I consumed as a pre-teenager or whatever. It just kills me every time. Perfect record.

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Was listening to much of this earlier (played 'Ticket To Ride ' because of the snow and went from there) and got to thinking there is a connection in theme between 'It's Only Love ' and 'You Like Me Too Much ' where none of the parties involved sound very nice to each other nor are the relationships on any solid ground. You could also throw in 'Tell Me What You See ' where the person (or persons in this case) singing is incredibly forceful in getting their view across, pretty much shouting and demanding the other person to "Tell Me What You See !!".

George is very close to being a crazy control freak with the lyrics

If you leave me

I will follow you
And bring you back where you belong
'Cause I couldn't really stand it
I'd admit that I was wrong

and his girl just bring herself to stay away even tho she's left who knows how many times.

And why is the girl in 'It's Only Love ' so hard to love - or is it John who finds it so hard (oooh, connection time with 'It's So Hard ' from Imagine )? But why? They fight every night. Not a very pleasant relationship to be in.

 

I'm rambling. Its freezing cold.

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pepperland quite a while ago said
Help ! is one of my favourite albums of all time. :)

If Dizzy Miss Lizzy was moved to the beginning of side 2, then I would be happy. I would prefer a live version as I think that the studio take of DML is messy.

I still stick by what I said although in no way is it one of my favourite albums. I was exaggerating... a lot. Nothing wrong with it though.

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meanmistermustard  For my radio show I was thinking of program devoted to 'stalker' songs even though no one thinks of them that way.

They would include "Hello, Goodbye " (you say good-bye, I say hello), Every Breath You Take (I'll be watching you), No Reply (he follows her to the door 'with another man'), and now, of course You Like Me Too Much (I will follow you and bring you back).

Any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Back on topic: if I could take but one Beatle album with me, Help ! would be a consideration: it's right at the junction between the old and new.

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You could always tweak the theme @Into the Sky with Diamonds to nasty/scary [Beatles] songs as you could then add 'Run For Your Life ' and 'You Can't Do That '. Even throw in 'Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)' what with burning down the house. Another could be 'I'll Get You ' which could go the way of obsessed potential lover.

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said

meanmistermustard  For my radio show I was thinking of program devoted to 'stalker' songs even though no one thinks of them that way.

You have to include Every Step You Take by The Police, its the quintessential stalker song even if not Beatles.

meanmistermustard said

Was listening to much of this earlier (played 'Ticket To Ride ' because of the snow and went from there) and got to thinking there is a connection in theme between 'It's Only Love ' and 'You Like Me Too Much ' where none of the parties involved sound very nice to each other nor are the relationships on any solid ground. You could also throw in 'Tell Me What You See ' where the person (or persons in this case) singing is incredibly forceful in getting their view across, pretty much shouting and demanding the other person to "Tell Me What You See !!".

Good insight, the whole album is a mass of vulnerability and conflict, in contrast to the light-heartedness of the movie. Even the Capitol version doesn't escape this theme. Combined with the better production quality compared to the previous album, it feels very solid and a lot more grown-up.

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said

meanmistermustard  For my radio show I was thinking of program devoted to 'stalker' songs even though no one thinks of them that way.

You have to include Every Step You Take by The Police, its the quintessential stalker song even if not Beatles.

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I have a lot of love for Help !, and one time I asked my physics teacher what his favorite Beatles album was and he said Help ! Also, my mom's boyfriend only has one Beatles C.D. and it is called Help ! There is a lot of love for Help ! everywhere - you just have to look for it.

I think Help ! is a happy medium album. It's not too poppy like the earlier albums but it's also not "weird" like some of the later stuff is.

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I think Help ! is a happy medium album. It's not too poppy like the earlier albums but it's also not "weird" like some of the later stuff is.

That's Rubber Soul for me, but whatever. 

I amn't usually very keen on Help ! but by turns I will get in the mood and then really enjoy it. And it's a great one to sing in the kitchen. Yes I mean the whole album. 

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And it just so happens I'm in a Help -y mood so that's what I'm listening to. 

It long ago occurred to me that The Night Before and Yesterday are two ways of saying the same thing-- the girl has left and he is sad, doesn't know what went wrong, and wishes for the past. 

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Help ! is one of my favourites, mainly because some songs are a few of the first Beatles' songs I heard so I have a lot of affection for it, obviously it's not one of the best, but it's certainly a favourite of mine.

Not to say I like how Tell Me What You See is followed by I've Just Seen A Face .

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When listening to 'Act Naturally ' a few days ago and noticed for the first time that Ringo's bass drum is louder at the end of the last chorus for some reason. No idea why it finally dawned on me.

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HELP! is one of my favorites.  Probably more for sentimental reasons though.  The U.S. Help ! is the only Beatles' record we had in the house (late 60's at the time).  I even enjoy the soundtrack music mixed in.  It was a treat for me when the Capital albums 1 & 2 were released.

I never heard the official UK version of HELP! or any other pre-Pepper  album until it was released on CD in 87. I believe the UK version is much better, but the US version holds great memories for me.

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Not so fond of this album either.

Seems to me that they were on auto-pilot. Offcourse as always i seem to dislike a beatles album and then go " Hey what about that song and that song, LOL. Don´t get me wrong i love Ticket To Ride and i think yesterday is a lovely tune and i appreciate Help for it´s lyrics and honesty, but the rest of it seems like uninspired fillers almost like they were at another place mentally, but still trying to knock out pop-songs (and not really enjoying it as much anymore), so for me Rubber Soul is a much better album. It makes much more sense and they seems to me to be at the right place as they wanted to be. To me it seems like they´ve grown up at that point and were ready to put all those lovey-dovey pop-songs behind them. They got it right on Rubber Soul .

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