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Where's the love for "Help!"?
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I'll show you once and for all where the love for help is

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(I miss the extra the in the tittle of this thread)

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Ahhh, the lonely life of having to stand up for "Dizzy Miss Lizzy "....

The Beatles played it at the Hollywood Bowl - and chose to have it on the "Live at the Hollywood Bowl" album - and McCartney played a different bass line on it during that concert; so if nothing else, the Beatles clearly enjoyed playing it and playing with it. The juxtaposition with "Yesterday " may seem strange, but that was a Beatle trait throughout. (They recorded "Yesterday " and "I'm Down " in the same session, "Why Don't we do it in the road" is next to "I Will " etc...)

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9 December 2014
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I fixed the topic title, AD40. Thanks for pointing it out.

I like Dizzy Miss Lizzy .

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said

Ahhh, the lonely life of having to stand up for "Dizzy Miss Lizzy "....

You are not alone, my friend. I love this song. I have a young niece who I have nicknamed Lizzy. If God smiles on me kindly, I plan on dancing with her to this song at her wedding some day.

One man's "filler" is another man's treasure.a-hard-days-night-john-1

As for the question posed by the thread title; the answer is within me - fantastic album. If I had to introduce Beatles music to space aliens, I would play HELP! and AHDN .

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9 December 2014
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I agree completely with Zig. Other albums get the major press (deservedly so), but AHDN and Help ! are treasures too.

In the US, people of a certain age think of these two albums in terms of their American versions - and yes, in that case, with all the instrumental music, they are weaker albums; but not the original versions.

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Zig said One man's "filler" is another man's treasure.a-hard-days-night-john-1

Into the Sky with Diamonds said
Ahhh, the lonely life of having to stand up for "Dizzy Miss Lizzy "....

The Beatles played it at the Hollywood Bowl - and chose to have it on the "Live at the Hollywood Bowl" album - and McCartney played a different bass line on it during that concert; so if nothing else, the Beatles clearly enjoyed playing it and playing with it. The juxtaposition with "Yesterday " may seem strange, but that was a Beatle trait throughout. (They recorded "Yesterday " and "I'm Down " in the same session, "Why Don't we do it in the road" is next to "I Will " etc...)

 @Zig, @Into the Sky with Diamonds 

As I said I don’t like it BUT… as Jack Nicholson would say: “when you’re right you’re right.”

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Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit” (“Perhaps one day it will be a pleasure to look back on even this”; Virgil, The Aeneid, Book 1, line 203, where Aeneas says this to his men after the shipwreck that put them on the shores of Africa)

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'Dizzy Miss Lizzy ' is a great rocker, the placement of it on 'Help !' is what does it in as it is too much of a jolt after all the other tracks on side 2 (it's not just the clash with 'Yesterday ').

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

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I had not listened to this album till 2 days ago and I believe that it is an amazing album! I enjoyed the song "You're Going To Lose That Girl "!

After listening to this album I believe that this was the set point where the band's interest in sound and arrangement really started to flower a-hard-days-night-john-1

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I never understand why so many people dislike It's Only Love . I know John badmouthed it in the Playboy interview and that seems to have fixed it in some people's minds as a crap song. But it really isn't. OK, the lyrics are corny and twee (maybe he should have stuck with That's A Nice Hat), but the melody is one of his loveliest. If he'd spent a bit longer on the words it could have been so much better.

Ian Macdonald wrote about Lennon tending to write flat ("horizontal") melodies, while McCartney's were much more wide-ranging ("vertical"). There are some notable exceptions for Lennon, most notably A Day In The Life , and this is another.

Interestingly, the chords are very similar to Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite !'s, which Lennon also didn't care much for. I like that song too though :)

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I've always flown the flag for 'It's Only Love ' and never understood why so many people have it down as a poor song. Love how John sings it (how he sings "bright") and the tune/melody is fantastic.

It is hilarious however to hear a caller ask John to play it during one of his stints as a radio DJ in 1974 and he flat out refuses.

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I am in love with their "Help " albumbeatlemaniacs_02_gif 

I listen to this album almost everyday!!!

17 January 2015
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Help ! is one of my favorites. I love what I call "mid-period" Beatles (Help !, Rubber Soul & Revolver , and the singles in between).

I like the pairing of The Night Before & Another Girl , lyrics-wise. The latter is so bitchy and cold, as if Paul's trying to get back at the girl who hurt him in the former.

And I've always loved Dizzy Miss Lizzy - John's vocals in it are among his sexiest, imo.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Yes! Another fan of 'Dizzy Miss Lizzy '! 

The pairing that always makes me smile is 'Another Girl ' and 'You're Going To Lose That Girl '. Paul finishes bragging about his new girl and along comes John the party poop.a-hard-days-night-paul-3

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Hand-written production notes by George Martin from the first week of the 'Help!' sessions in February 1965 are being put on display at The Beatles Story to mark their 50th Anniversary reports the Liverpool Echo.

[x-posted to 'Beatles News']

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Hand-written production notes by George Martin from the first week of the 'Help!' sessions in February 1965 are being put on display at The Beatles Story to mark their 50th Anniversary reports the Liverpool Echo.

[x-posted to 'Beatles News']

I wonder how long they will be on display.

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Joe said
[...]
Ian Macdonald wrote about Lennon tending to write flat ("horizontal") melodies, while McCartney's were much more wide-ranging ("vertical"). There are some notable exceptions for Lennon, most notably A Day In The Life , and this is another.
Interestingly, the chords are very similar to Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite !'s, which Lennon also didn't care much for. I like that song too though 

This is the kind of analysis we need in the Song structure analysis and terminology thread. I wish more people posted there (*SIGH*)

Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit” (“Perhaps one day it will be a pleasure to look back on even this”; Virgil, The Aeneid, Book 1, line 203, where Aeneas says this to his men after the shipwreck that put them on the shores of Africa)

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Oudis said

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Ian Macdonald wrote about Lennon tending to write flat ("horizontal") melodies, while McCartney's were much more wide-ranging ("vertical"). There are some notable exceptions for Lennon, most notably A Day In The Life , and this is another.
Interestingly, the chords are very similar to Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite !'s, which Lennon also didn't care much for. I like that song too though 

This is the kind of analysis we need in the Song structure analysis and terminology thread. I wish more people posted there (*SIGH*)

I wish people posted more in the Revolution in the Head thread, it's one of the saner criticisms MacDonald made a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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Oudis said

Joe said
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Ian Macdonald wrote about Lennon tending to write flat ("horizontal") melodies, while McCartney's were much more wide-ranging ("vertical"). There are some notable exceptions for Lennon, most notably A Day In The Life , and this is another.
Interestingly, the chords are very similar to Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite !'s, which Lennon also didn't care much for. I like that song too though 

This is the kind of analysis we need in the Song structure analysis and terminology thread. I wish more people posted there (*SIGH*)

...I would love to, if I felt I could contribute more than a few unjustifiable opinions. Much of it's way too technical for me to follow! Scales and relative minors and subdominants...

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Von Bontee said

Oudis said

Joe said
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Ian Macdonald wrote about Lennon tending to write flat ("horizontal") melodies, while McCartney's were much more wide-ranging ("vertical"). There are some notable exceptions for Lennon, most notably A Day In The Life , and this is another.
Interestingly, the chords are very similar to Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite !'s, which Lennon also didn't care much for. I like that song too though 

This is the kind of analysis we need in the Song structure analysis and terminology thread. I wish more people posted there (*SIGH*)

...I would love to, if I felt I could contribute more than a few unjustifiable opinions. Much of it's way too technical for me to follow! Scales and relative minors and subdominants...

Please don’t let that stop you @Von Bontee. Just use your ears and your brain and post. Your contributions will be appreciated. As for not being able to follow everything that’s being said there –many times what muzair posted was Greek to me but I learned from it.

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Help ! is one of my favorites. I love what I call "mid-period" Beatles (Help !, Rubber Soul & Revolver , and the singles in between).

Strange, @Monkey Finger, for me Revolver is part of the Sgt. Pepper ’s Era already. There’s even a book (which I should read) about this: Revolver How the Beatles Reimagined Rock'n'Roll by Robert Rodriguez.

Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit” (“Perhaps one day it will be a pleasure to look back on even this”; Virgil, The Aeneid, Book 1, line 203, where Aeneas says this to his men after the shipwreck that put them on the shores of Africa)

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