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27 February 2021
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What’s the general opinion on the welter of ‘grey market’ box sets out there which compile TV and Radio performances and/or outtakes, all out of copyright? This is due to the EU’s ruling that broadcasts are fair game as they have been released into the public domain, coupled with things past the 50 year copyright limit which have failed to be renewed. Tawdry cash-ins, outraged that the money is going to anywhere but to The Beatles; or fascinating documents for a ravenous fan base to seize upon? Quality can be variable and its buyer beware, but there’s plenty out there by artists I also love, particularly Joni Mitchell which has finally seen her release ‘official’ versions recently, and tons by James Taylor for instance.

 

I’m talking about stuff like this and wondering if any are worth shelling out for:

 

On the Air, in the Studio and in Concert (Box 8cd): Amazon.co.uk: Music

THE BEATLES – HELP! IN CONCERT: GREATEST HITS 1964-’66-4 CD SET: Amazon.co.uk: Music    

Greatest Hits Live On Air 1963-’64 [VINYL]: Amazon.co.uk: Music

27 February 2021
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They contain nothing that isn’t freely available somewhere on the interweb, but with little of the care taken on the free fan-made sets.

A good example would be their often used BBC sessions, mined regularly for grey market releases. The only BBC you need is Lord Reith’s 24-disc (23CD/1DVD) BBC Archives set, and it can be found for free. Includes every existing musical session that can be found, along with interviews and whole episodes of shows where they exist.

No need to pay for the contents of these sets when they can be found for free.

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The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

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Most of the sets out there that cost are taking the freely available sources off the net, repackaging them and selling them; they are ripping off the fans like Lord Reith who created these collections. There are a few labels (HMC for example but that is a bootleg – that is for The Beatles and solo only, I have no idea about other artists) which do cost but they generally use the money to pay for new unbooted material.

Remember that what they are selling often does not belong to them in the first place.

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I’m wondering if there may be an age difference thing here. As a stereotype younger people seem to be perfectly happy with a track they want in download format, crappy .mp3 is usual. Or they even simply stream stuff and don’t own anything physical. All via a tinny phone’s headphones. For me as an old codger the collection of physical product is all, that’s what being a fan is fundamentally about, holding the item whether CD or vinyl, reading the booklet, working out where it should sit among other items by the same artist on the shelf. I’ve downloaded stuff off the internet in the past occasionally to burn to a blank CD but despite keeping my virus checker up to date it seems a great way of infecting your laptop. Which is way I gave up on that quickly.      

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I doubt either reaction so far has much to do with  age difference, @Old Soak. I’m 53 and a relative newcomer to the interweb, only having been using it for around a decade, while @meanmistermustard I’d guess is around a decade younger than me (I have met him, but I’m terrible at ages).

It’s more a case of knowing where to look, and who to trust. I’ve downloaded lots over the years, only use a free antivirus, and have never been infected. As to sound quality, someone like Lord Reith puts his stuff out as FLAC files, and includes full artwork should someone want to burn physical copies.

He’s the guy that did the Star Club remaster you enjoyed.

Nothing to do with age, just that I’d rather get it from the person who made it and is offering it for free than pay someone to steal his work, chop it up, often not include recording details, but have burnt it to a CD, created their own work, and are charging me.

(And I also like physical product, as evidenced by a large collection of vinyl, cassettes, videos, CD, DVD, books, etc.)

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There was a fan created unofficial Archive series covering Paul’s career from ‘The Family Way ‘ thru to ‘New’ (a track listing was down for ‘Egypt Station’ but it never was put out for download) that were released in the best sound quality possible with track info, photos etc (all that was missing were the official sugar lumps, wool trimmings and facsimile wood burner manuals). They blew the official releases away and left folk even more frustrated and dismayed at what Paul has been chucking out every now and then for over 10 years and is still ongoing with no end in sight. These sets were unsurprisingly quickly picked up by other sources and started being sold for $30/40 or more online. Now it’s up to you, if you want to pay the $30 to buy the work of someone who had next to nothing to do with compiling and uploading it in the first place but pressed it onto some paper and a CD to then ship it to you for a good few $’s then fair enough but there is no difference in sound quality etc and you get everything for free if you download from the proper links. The people creating it are also not wanting you to pay others for the work they have done so why would you?

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Old Soak said
I’m wondering if there may be an age difference thing here. As a stereotype younger people seem to be perfectly happy with a track they want in download format, crappy .mp3 is usual. Or they even simply stream stuff and don’t own anything physical. All via a tinny phone’s headphones. For me as an old codger the collection of physical product is all, that’s what being a fan is fundamentally about, holding the item whether CD or vinyl, reading the booklet, working out where it should sit among other items by the same artist on the shelf. I’ve downloaded stuff off the internet in the past occasionally to burn to a blank CD but despite keeping my virus checker up to date it seems a great way of infecting your laptop. Which is way I gave up on that quickly.      

  

That is one thing that surprises me about my generation. I am obsessed with audio quality which then drives me nuts when my friends don’t understand why an MP3 is bad (though I’ve educated them all now ahdn_john_08_gif)

But yeah, as RN said age probably isn’t a factor in this particular question. 

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