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Beatles Bootleg Recordings 1964
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From WogBlog:

Bootleg Recordings 1964 coming

Universal Music Canada supposedly confirmed that a release is forthcoming. Like last year's Bootleg Recordings 1963, the new Beatles release is going to be a digital only, quiet release. We are hoping that a number of concert performances from 1964 will be included.

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If this one's $40 like the last one was, I'm going to alternative methods. That was ridiculous.

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I started a new thread for this album, and moved a couple of posts over to it. Makes sense to keep it separated from the 1963 one.

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I now have little doubt this will happen. The Beach Boys have already released two digital sets (studio and live), Dylan's (unconfirmed release) this year will be a 9-LP vinyl set (limited to 1000 copies). The word is creeping out on this year's batch. Universal and Apple are still saying "no current plans", but they didn't really say anything else last year. The question is whether they will allow unreleased 1964 recordings to slip out of copyright, especially given there are some very good 1964 live performances in existence. Are they really going to allow the best of those to start appearing legally next year?

To me, all that remains is whether they will go last year's route of digital-only release, or if they will switch to Bob's approach of a limited-edition physical release.

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The issue Apple have is that there is a high number of very good quality concerts, BBC tracks and studio outtakes circulating freely which havent been released. It would only make sense to put it all out and keep the copyright but going by last years collection which had large gaps i cant see that happening.

I think whats out of copyright is in the below list (in the spoiler to save folk loading space), apologies for any omissions/errors.

Outtakes

'I'm A Loser ' takes 1 - 8

'A Hard Day's Night ' takes 2 - 9 (take 1 is on 'Anthology 1 ')

'She's A Woman ' takes 1 - 6 (the take which is announced as "take 5 is it? take 7" is in fact take 6, George M got lost)

'Can't Buy Me Love ' takes 1, 2 (guitar solo only), 3 (all bar the guitar solo), take 4 (announcement only)

'What You're Doing ' take 11

'I Feel Fine ' takes 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8

Demo's

One And One Is Two

If I Fell (demo takes 1 - 5)

World Without Love

I'll Follow The Sun

Live in Concert/TV

Not sure about how video releases come into this and if it counts if they have been shown in other countries or incomplete (some are in the Anthology series but incomplete) but we have tracks from

NME Pollwinners Concert

Johanneshov Isstadion, Stockholm, Sweden

Hollywood Bowl (the remaining songs not released on the 1977 compilation)

Convention Hall, Philadelphia

State Fair Coliseum, Indianapolis

Val Parnell's Sunday Night At The London Palladium

L'Olympia Theatre, Paris (afternoon and evening)

Cafe-Restaurant Treslong, Vosselan, Hillegom, The Nederlands (not sure about this as the Beatles sang along to the commercial versions)

Veilinghal Op Hoop Van Zegen, Blokker (afternoon and evening)

Centennial Hall, Adelaide, Australia

Festive Hall, Melbourne, Australia (3 shows)

Blackpool Night Out

Empire Stadium, Vancouver

Shindig (including an undubbed Kansas City )

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'From Us To You'

Boys ('From Us To You' #4 - 3/8/64)

Can't Buy Me Love ('From Us To You'  #3 - 18/5/64)

From Us To You (Intro: episodes 2 (the omitted part not on Live At The BBC ) 3 and 4; Outro: episodes 3 & 4)

A Hard Day's Night (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64)

Honey Don't (From Us To You #3 - 18/5/64)

I Should Have Know Better (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64 + outtakes from the recording session)

I Saw Her Standing There (From Us To You #3 - 18/5/64)

If I Fell (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64)

I'm Happy Just To Dance With You  (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64 + instrumental backing track)

Long Tall Sally (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64)

Medley: Kansas City /Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! (From Us To You #3 - 18/5/64)

Medley: Kansas City /Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64) 

Please Mister Postman (From Us To You #2 - 30/3/64)

Sure To Fall (In Love With You) (From Us To You #3 - 18/5/64)

Things We Said Today (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64)

This Boy (From Us To You #2 - 30/3/64)

You Can't Do That (From Us To You #2 - 30/3/64)

You Can't Do That (From Us To You #3 - 18/5/64) 

The 'From Us To You' #4 recording session has been booted as well but many of the songs are the broadcast version tho without any voiceovers marring the beginning or ending of performances.

Top Gear

'Don't Pass Me By ' (Top Gear - 16/7/64) (Paul sings a bit of it)

Saturday Club

Can't Buy Me Love (Saturday Club - 4/4/64) 

Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby (Saturday Club - 4/4/64) 
The Hippy Hippy Shake (Saturday Club - 15/2/64) 
I Call Your Name (Saturday Club - 4/4/64) 

Money (That's What I Want) (Saturday Club - 15/2/64)
Sure To Fall (In Love With You) (Saturday Club - 4/4/64)
You Can't Do That (Saturday Club - 4/4/64)

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
If this one's $40 like the last one was, I'm going to alternative methods. That was ridiculous.

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If I could choose, I'd rather see it available digitally rather than a limited release.

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
If this one's $40 like the last one was, I'm going to alternative methods. That was ridiculous.

Hopefully they will mess the price up again this year - I nabbed the last lot for AU$15.49 before they fixed their error.

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Ahhh Girl said
If I could choose, I'd rather see it available digitally rather than a limited release.

Regardless of how it comes out it will be available if you know where to go or someone who knows where to go. 

Apple love our money so i'm expecting the same as last year, and since it is Apple there will probably be some cock-up in how they get it out. It wouldn't be Apple if there wasn't.

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meanmistermustard said

The issue Apple have is that there is a high number of very good quality concerts, BBC tracks and studio outtakes circulating freely which havent been released. It would only make sense to put it all out and keep the copyright but going by last years collection which had large gaps i cant see that happening.

I think whats out of copyright is in the below list (in the spoiler to save folk loading space), apologies for any omissions/errors.

Outtakes

'I'm A Loser ' takes 1 - 8

'A Hard Day's Night ' takes 2 - 9 (take 1 is on 'Anthology 1 ')

'She's A Woman ' takes 1 - 6 (the take which is announced as "take 5 is it? take 7" is in fact take 6, George M got lost)

'Can't Buy Me Love ' takes 1, 2 (guitar solo only), 3 (all bar the guitar solo), take 4 (announcement only)

'What You're Doing ' take 11

'I Feel Fine ' takes 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8

Demo's

One And One Is Two

If I Fell (demo takes 1 - 5)

World Without Love

I'll Follow The Sun

Live in Concert/TV

Not sure about how video releases come into this and if it counts if they have been shown in other countries or incomplete (some are in the Anthology series but incomplete) but we have tracks from

NME Pollwinners Concert

Johanneshov Isstadion, Stockholm, Sweden

Hollywood Bowl (the remaining songs not released on the 1977 compilation)

Convention Hall, Philadelphia

State Fair Coliseum, Indianapolis

Val Parnell's Sunday Night At The London Palladium

L'Olympia Theatre, Paris (afternoon and evening)

Cafe-Restaurant Treslong, Vosselan, Hillegom, The Nederlands (not sure about this as the Beatles sang along to the commercial versions)

Veilinghal Op Hoop Van Zegen, Blokker (afternoon and evening)

Centennial Hall, Adelaide, Australia

Festive Hall, Melbourne, Australia (3 shows)

Blackpool Night Out

Empire Stadium, Vancouver

Shindig (including an undubbed Kansas City )

BBC

'From Us To You'

Boys ('From Us To You' #4 - 3/8/64)

Can't Buy Me Love ('From Us To You'  #3 - 18/5/64)

From Us To You (Intro: episodes 2 (the omitted part not on Live At The BBC ) 3 and 4; Outro: episodes 3 & 4)

A Hard Day's Night (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64)

Honey Don't (From Us To You #3 - 18/5/64)

I Should Have Know Better (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64 + outtakes from the recording session)

I Saw Her Standing There (From Us To You #3 - 18/5/64)

If I Fell (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64)

I'm Happy Just To Dance With You  (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64 + instrumental backing track)

Long Tall Sally (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64)

Medley: Kansas City /Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! (From Us To You #3 - 18/5/64)

Medley: Kansas City /Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64) 

Please Mister Postman (From Us To You #2 - 30/3/64)

Sure To Fall (In Love With You) (From Us To You #3 - 18/5/64)

Things We Said Today (From Us To You #4 - 3/8/64)

This Boy (From Us To You #2 - 30/3/64)

You Can't Do That (From Us To You #2 - 30/3/64)

You Can't Do That (From Us To You #3 - 18/5/64) 

The 'From Us To You' #4 recording session has been booted as well but many of the songs are the broadcast version tho without any voiceovers marring the beginning or ending of performances.

Top Gear

'Don't Pass Me By ' (Top Gear - 16/7/64) (Paul sings a bit of it)

Saturday Club

Can't Buy Me Love (Saturday Club - 4/4/64) 

Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby (Saturday Club - 4/4/64) 
The Hippy Hippy Shake (Saturday Club - 15/2/64) 
I Call Your Name (Saturday Club - 4/4/64) 

Money (That's What I Want) (Saturday Club - 15/2/64)
Sure To Fall (In Love With You) (Saturday Club - 4/4/64)
You Can't Do That (Saturday Club - 4/4/64)

What's that you say? Beatles songs available to be used legally by anyone for anything? a-hard-days-night-john-6

That could be useful for people making movies... Does that also mean they could be sampled without permission in songs that would be for sale? What exactly can be done with this material, anything correct?

The words Beatles and no copyright together are making this harder to comprehend... I was pretty sure I understood copyrights.

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
If this one's $40 like the last one was, I'm going to alternative methods. That was ridiculous.

Get the individual songs on iTunes

Don't pirate it if that's what you mean by "alternative methods"a-hard-days-night-john-1   

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
If this one's $40 like the last one was, I'm going to alternative methods. That was ridiculous.

Get the individual songs on iTunes

Don't pirate it if that's what you mean by "alternative methods"a-hard-days-night-john-1   

The individual songs together are going to cost just as much (and probably more) as buying the full album. 

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. I'm not beating myself up over it because 

a) Paul and Ringo are seeing very little of whatever money gets paid for this thing. It's purely Apple. 

b) I've legally purchased a million different Beatles and solo McCartney, Lennon, Harrison, and Starr releases, including the already ridiculously priced Bootleg release from last year. 

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If you added up the cost of all the Beatles products you'd bought over the years you'd weep for days at the amount as Apple charge full wack for everything. I'm not saying it gives us license to get everything thru other means but personally i believe it gives us a little wiggle room with the items where they go beyond top price and are just taking the piss.

And charging £35 for a iTunes download which would fit on 3 cds and should have cost £20 maximum (which is the price now) was taking the piss.

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I guess this is not being released after all? We have eight more days.

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Doesnt look like it but you never know. 

My amazement for just how inept Apple are if they dont release something covering this material will be higher than ever before. I dont get why they would rather do nothing and lose it all than employ 2 people with knowledge on what is out there to put together an all inclusive release so it remains Apples. Compile it (lists are out there to help them if they dont have a clue), release it, charge a sensible price for it, make some money from it, keep the copyright - its the most basic stuff for any record company. Yet somehow Apple managed to fuck it up last year.

Apple's incompetence really annoys me. And even fucking worse is they will have 10 workers sitting around dreaming up ideas for the next piece of shitty merchandise they can license for a tidy profit. It will always irk me that they cancelled a 'White Album Anniversary Box Set' and instead gave us a £200 limited edition pen. Woo fucking hoo. 

No one is going to hear take 2 of 'A Hard Day's Night ' and take 5 of 'I Feel Fine ' and think "Yeah they released 'Revolver ' but after hearing these outtakes the Beatles were actually pretty shit".

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Apple has had a long time history of releasing commercialized crap, and it's gotten to the point where I don't give a crap about what "special releases" of the SAME DAMN SONGS that Apple is coming out with. Don't pay them any mind. I don't. All that John, Paul, George, and Ringo wanted to do when they started out was just make music, and that's all there is to it. It's gotten them in all of this legal crap that I can't comprehend. So all those that hate Apple and their "special releases" just don't pay them the least bit of attention.

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$29.99 on iTunes for the 1963 Bootleg album.  Not sure if it was a Christmas special or a "last chance before the 1964 version is released" sale, but I purchased it last week.

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All of the Beatles albums on iTunes have been reduced in price for the Christmas period.

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Less than 24 hours to go and no sign. 

I'm not holding my breath as i want to see live.

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The way I see it:

1) This is a lost opportunity for a complete 1964 Hollywood Bowl release.

2) According to EU copyright law, in the EU they can now have a bootleg free-for-all and Apple can't do diddly about it...BRING IT ON!!!!

3) Those of you who think $39.99 was too much for the 1963 set....first of all, it's down ten bucks now...second, and more importantly, those of you who think it's too much, did you think it was too much twenty years ago when you plopped down $25 - $30 per disc for a Yellow Dog or Vigotone CD? The 1963 set was, first of all, legit, and the profits (theoretically, at least) go to those who have the right to claim them. And, at least to my ears, the sound quality of the studio outtakes in that set was noticeably superior to that of the aforementioned Yellow Dog stuff -- which twenty years ago I didn't think would be possible. (And this is even using a LOSSY compression scheme, mind you.) Man...those were the days, though...when a Yellow Dog or Vigotone or Midnight Beat release meant something exciting -- you were getting to hear stuff you never would have heard otherwise...(lately what's been coming out has been mostly Rock Band extractions or sonic upgrades for concerts and stuff like that)...and those of us who traded/bought these black market releases all had an understanding: if this stuff ever came out legitimately, we would absolutely legitimately purchase it as soon as it was available. So far I've held up my end of the bargain, with the BBC stuff, Anthology, BBR63, The Smile Sessions, The Pet Sounds Sessions, etc.

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