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Anthology songs that should have been on original albums
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Not Guilty should've replaced Wild Honey Pie , because why have a ditty that lasts less than a minute when you can have a driving 3 minute rocker that does the trick so much better?

Agreed. 

Speaking of Anthology songs does anybody here agree that take 1 of I'm Looking Through You  should've been the definitive version? 

No, but I think the acoustic WMGGW should have been. It's just so much more meaningful... to me. 

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What about the re-make of Your Mother Should Know ? I like the march-style of the drum fills and the overall banter 

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It's an interesting outtake 'Your Mother Should Know ' on 'Anthology 2 ', hey its different to what we got in the end, but in truth it just shows how slight the song actually is. The 'MMT' version goes on forever.

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For me it's striking how much of the anthology stuff wouldnt have made the cut on any of the albums. The beatles were superb judges of their own music. 

I guess "junk" and "not guilty" are better than some of their respective authors material on the "White Album " but i can't think of hardly anything from the anthology series that i would have on the official records.

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I would definitely have put That Means A Lot on Help ! I think it's a very solid song, although the excessive reverb isn't particularly Beatley. Nothing that couldn't be fixed in the mix.

Leave My Kitten Alone should never have been dropped from Beatles For Sale . I've still not discovered why they did that; hopefully Mark Lewisohn will be able to tell us in a few years' time.

I'd also have kept the backing vocals on Can't Buy Me Love . I tend to sing along with them when the song is playing.

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A dry stereo mix of 'That Means A Lot ' is out there and better than the Anthology which for some reason is fake stereo and echo-ified. I still dont think its a very good song however and that they were therefore right to ditch it. 

Truth be told i dont think there is much on any of the 'Anthology' discs that warrant inclusion on the 60's albums. The only ones that would be worthy are 'Leave My Kitten Alone ' (a really strong cover), 'Not Guilty ' (a heck of a lot of bite that would fit perfectly on the 'White Album ') and maybe the acoustic 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps ' but the remake is brilliant and i would be saying the same if they had been switched. Everything else the Beatles were right about either in that the cuts just weren't good enough for inclusion or were significantly improved upon before being signed off.

What the outtakes clearly highlight is that the Beatles and George Martin 99.9% of the time got it right.

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There are a few instances of where you wish the band might have pursued the direction of a song a bit further, such as the bluesier takes on "helter skelter" and the earlier version of "I'm Looking Through You " where i think those arrangements were better than the way the band went with the recorded versions. But pretty much what was issued is what was right for the albums. 

Unlike say dylan or some other acts of that era the band took immense care in how their recorded work was presented. The anthology stuff is fun to hear though.

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I would definitely have put That Means A Lot on Help ! I think it's a very solid song, although the excessive reverb isn't particularly Beatley. Nothing that couldn't be fixed in the mix.
Leave My Kitten Alone should never have been dropped from Beatles For Sale . I've still not discovered why they did that; hopefully Mark Lewisohn will be able to tell us in a few years' time.
I'd also have kept the backing vocals on Can't Buy Me Love . I tend to sing along with them when the song is playing.

I agree with you. I bought Anthology Highlights the other day and I'm in awe of the song that never made the cut. That Means A Lot is really good. A better mix, a bit less reverb, and it could've been a hit. 

Same goes for Leave My Kitten Alone . Great rocker, I really love John's singing on this one. 

I really like the Anthology version of I'm Looking Through You , although I can't help but miss the bridge. The solo is nice, but I think the bridge is better.

The acoustic version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps is incredible. Why did they drop the third verse?

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Leave My Kitten Alone should never have been dropped from Beatles For Sale . I've still not discovered why they did that; hopefully Mark Lewisohn will be able to tell us in a few years' time.

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A little off topic, but imagine if all those great (45's) singles were on each of the albums, how even greater all those U.K. Beatles albums would have been.

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I mean songs like: From Me To You , Thank You Girl & She Loves You on the Please Please Me LP

 I'll Get You ,  I Want To Hold Your Hand & This Boy on the With The Beatles LP

I Feel Fine , She's A Woman on the A Hard Day's Night Lp

I'm Down & Yes It Is on the Help ! LP

We Can Work It Out & Day Tripper on the Rubber Soul LP

Paperback Writer , Rain & Bad Boy on the Revolver LP

Strawberry Fields Forever & Penny Lane on the Sgt. Pepper LP

All You Need Is Love , Baby You're A Rich Man & Hello Goodbye on Magical Mystery Tour LP (Like Capitol US Records did)

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Lady Madonna , Hey Jude & Revolution on The Beatles White LP

Don't Let Me Down , The Ballad Of John And Yoko & Old Brown Shoe on Let It Be LP

 

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Shouldn't She Loves You be on 'With The Beatles ' with 'I''ll Get You' and 'I Feel Fine ' & 'She's A Woman ' on 'Beatles For Sale ' since the tracks were recorded during those sessions.

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Shouldn't She Loves You be on 'With The Beatles ' with 'I'll Get You ' and 'I Feel Fine ' & 'She's A Woman ' on 'Beatles For Sale ' since the tracks were recorded during those sessions.

Good catch mmm!  I also didn't mention the 4 songs from the Long Tall Sally EP.  They could have fit somewhere too!

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This suggestion has been made elsewhere on the forum before.

Would the inclusion of some (though I would hesitate to say all) of those songs on their respective albums might of strengthened them. However, it throws up the question, what tracks would you lose, @Bongo? While in retrospect many of the UK albums seem quite short, many of them also close to, or else pushing, the time limitations of how much could be fitted on a side.

The joy of their general policy of not releasing material on albums that had already been released on single means we gained a lot of bonus material we wouldn't have otherwise. If you stay with their rough rule of seven tracks a side, fourteen tracks an album, then you're needing to lose tracks from each album. With The Beatles  is fourteen tracks, and you've suggested four tracks that could be on it (including She Loves You ), so which four tracks would you have them replacing?

Myself, I'm happier we have many more tracks than they could fit onto their albums if everything they recorded went onto album. They would never have thought of making With The Beatles  an eighteen track album as it wasn't technically possible at that time, so if those four tracks were on, it would mean four of the album tracks would not have made the album. More than that, they might not even have been made.

Give me The Beatles policy of being happy to have, and believing in, non-album recordings every day. Means we got more Beatles than we might have.

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I wonder what would have happened if deluxe editions had been around in the Beatles time. Nowadays its common place for there to be bonus tracks on the deluxe releases of albums so would the a and b-sides have appeared as those, would we have gotten a couple of outtakes, some of the BBC material? Its not like they had much more time to record more than they already did.

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@Ron Nasty, perhaps they would have come out with even more albums like Capitol did!

I'm not suggesting they should have removed any songs, I'm just saying how even greater those albums would have been.

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@Bongo, isn't one of the things about The Beatles that they recorded just enough for what was needed?

Unlike many other artists, The Beatles catalogue did not include a whole slew of unreleased mastered songs when they split. Unlike someone like Dylan, who often rejected material, they generally released what they recorded in the studio. That's one reason Anthology features so many alternate versions, and so few songs they never released. They recorded pretty much what was necessary. Had they had the attitude that their singles went onto albums automatically, from what we know, there has to be a fair assumption that there's many things they just wouldn't have bothered with.

Dylan made more proper recordings of songs he rejected for The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan than The Beatles made in their whole career. Some, many, great songs.

There is no evidence of The Beatles doing that. There's interesting alternate versions, there's studio jams and covers, but not many great unreleased songs. One has to consider that, if you take something like With The Beatles , once they knew they had two single tracks to go on it (She Loves You  and I'll Get You ), and they wanted fourteen, they'd have not bothered with a couple of the others.

Everything about their career suggests that they released the albums they envisioned, rather than being happy to stick out the Capitol-type hodge-potches. They looked at their market (one which would have struggled with more than two albums), and released as much as they could, without building up a vault of unreleased songs.

I have no doubt, had The Beatles decided to put all their single tracks on albums, we would have far fewer Beatles tracks.

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@Bongo, isn't one of the things about The Beatles that they recorded just enough for what was needed?

Unlike many other artists, The Beatles catalogue did not include a whole slew of unreleased mastered songs when they split.

I have no doubt, had The Beatles decided to put all their single tracks on albums, we would have far fewer Beatles tracks.

Ron, I think your missing the point. Nobody's suggesting we remove songs. This is a fantasy thread by members regarding songs that should have been on albums.

And yes the Beatles did release a whole slew of unreleased songs on the Anthologies!

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Is there a proper thread for discussing whether or not the singles should have been on the albums? 

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Ok, a little on topic - I put my vote for the 45s as they were, separate.  While it is nice, it's true, to buy an expensive cd box set and get all or most of the singles with it, i don't think the albums would be better with the other singles.  I might be stuck in a rut, but I can't imagine them with any other tracklist.  I like the beatles "bargain album" style of not giving you duplicate songs on the album - plus it makes the 45s all the more collectible!

I have the PC deluxe versions of most of the albums. I find I listen to the albums as released, and have a separate playlist for the singles.

I might like an entire new album with the singles, but not adding them to each additional album.  And the idea of the "singles" album would have to be released at the end of their career, or after an album's worth were amassed.  The "time period" of the songs wouldn't be the same either - would you want Baby You're A Rich Man on the same disk as Penny Lane ?

On the other hand, This Girl would have been a really nice addition to one of the shorter early albums.

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This goes along with @Ron Nasty's post above (#57).

I was just reading this on Joe's page about What Goes On . Bolding is mine.

What Goes On was one of John Lennon 's early songs, written before the group had a recording contract and never performed live.

That was an early Lennon written before The Beatles when we were The Quarrymen, or something like that. And resurrected with a middle eight thrown in, probably with Paul's help, to give Ringo a song and also to use the bits, because I never like to waste anything.

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