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20 August 2010
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Paulrus said:

It's alright to hate pirates… Except Captain Jack Sparrow.


Don't forget Dr. Peter Blood. a-hard-days-night-ringo-15
 

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CAll me old fashioned, but he can take me to his ship anytime. (he might want to take my brother though...)

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie…… Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower… Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go. Beware of Darkness…  I believe in SH...
22 August 2010
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MeanMrs.Mustard said:

 


Nah. I don't think that if John and Yoko never met, the Beatles would still be together. Their breakup was probably inevitable from 1968, if not earlier. With humans, you can't have greatness and stability at the same time. 
So stop blaming Yoko, people! 

Yeah I think the Beatles break up began in 1966 after they stopped touring and they all had time to catch their breath and take a break. It was really the first time that they had time to sit around and just think, with John going to Spain, George going to India and Paul and Ringo just hanging around London doing various things. That's at least when John said the "seed was planted" about life after the Beatles, plus the influence of LSD had changed their thinking. The reason that they were so tight is because no one else really understood what it was like to be a Beatle other than the four Beatles, and so they had to rely on each other so heavily. But once they were seperated from it all and actually had time to realize that there was a life outside of being a Beatle, they just began to naturally move in different directions.
 

I think Yoko was John's "life after the Beatles" scenario, wheras the other three didn't have as strong of reasons for leaving. George realized the big picture of it all and that music was not the most important part of his life, so I don't think his reason to leave would be quite as strong as John's. Paul just wanted to make the best music he could, and the Beatles were still his best option. Ringo pursued an acting and solo career, but nothing was really guaranteed for him in 1969 so the Beatles were still his best option. John just had the best reason to leave and so he left.

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22 August 2010
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I kind of came to the same conclusion, although I've always thought it was India that was the catalyst for them discovering independence and going their separate ways. I think Hey Bulldog was their final work where everybody was fully committed to The Beatles as a group - afterwards they were happier to go it alone or have two or three members on a song.

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MeanMrs.Mustard said:

 Their breakup was probably inevitable from 1968, if not earlier.

 

GniknuS said:


Yeah I think the Beatles break up began in 1966 after they stopped touring and they all had time to catch their breath and take a break.

Joe said:
 

I kind of came to the same conclusion, although I've always thought it was India that was the catalyst for them discovering independence and going their separate ways.


 

I believe all 3 of you are right. They stopped touring and became prisoners unto themselves in the studio, Brian died and fighting started before India and in India as well (see page 2 of Joe's article on the White Album).

Yoko may have been one of the last straws, but in no way broke them up on her own. I don't care for some of the ways she has exploited John's name (questionable advertising). But if the money goes toward preserving his legacy and keeping his message alive, I find it hard to hate her for it.

Yes, she was/probably still is a gifted musician and yes, she came from money so she did not need John's. But, if it were not for her relationship with John, she may have just faded away into the obscutity from whence she came. 

Disagree? Ok – try this then. Without "Googling", name 5 other Japanese avant-garde performance artists. I'll wait. (Listens to crickets chirping). Thought so.

Bottom line- I neither like nor dislike her. She is just there. If you like her, it's cool that you do. If you don't like her, it's cool that you don't.

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23 August 2010
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kingjjj8 said:

Ive changed my mind about yoko. OKay so i dont agree with her on some accounts... But she's yoko. So you gotta love her.a-hard-days-night-john-5

Okay so something came into mind. What do you think would have been going on with the beatles if johnny and yoko never met??? a-hard-days-night-john-3


John was pretty miserable without her, so who knows what he would have done. He would have kept taking LSD almost daily, which would have meant more "bullshit" (as John put it), which would have meant no Plastic Ono Band, no
Imagine, etc, etc. Yoko may have changed the Beatles for the worse, but most of the changes that John experienced from her were for the better. He was able to be honest with himself and confront the massive amount of pain that he kept shut inside himself for so long. 

As long as we're talking hypotheticals, what would have happened had the Beatles not opened the Apple boutique? Maybe they would have been able to deal with each other better because they would have only had to make music together instead of deal with all of the problems that came with the Apple project.

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23 August 2010
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The Apple Boutique question is an interesting one. I think that it wasn't their conflicts that did them in, it was their inablity to resolve their conflicts. According to all of them, they fought (argued) all the time - in the studio on the road etc.

However sometime in the late 60's they could no longer resolve them. The Apple business tensions may have instigated or exasperated that problem. And so the problems lingered until they all snowballed together.

I think one thing the Let It Be (or Get Back) films show (especially the outtakes) was how much they still enjoyed making music together - even George.

In many ways Yoko's influence on John that he didn't need their crap - which caused him to retreat from the band as a major leading force - combined with Paul's misguided pushiness (as one forum writer said Paul pursued the Beatles because it was still his best musical outlet - very insightful) add to that Goerge's growing dissatisfaction and the fact Ringo seemed to be the only grown-up in the band and well, break up was inevitable.

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