Yoko Ono | Page 10 | Fab Forum

Introducing the inaugural Fab Forum February Fundraiser! Click here for more details.

Please consider registering
Guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed sp_TopicIcon
Yoko Ono
No permission to create posts
1 March 2011
6.45pm
Avatar
5thBeatle
The Top Ten Club
Forum Posts: 63
Member Since:
26 February 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1 March 2011
6.57pm
Avatar
5thBeatle
The Top Ten Club
Forum Posts: 63
Member Since:
26 February 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3 March 2011
2.19am
Avatar
Von Bontee
A Hole In The Road
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 2838
Member Since:
14 December 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

OK, I know very few people will care aside from me; but anyways, I've been listening to "Greenfield Morning I Pushed An Empty Baby Carriage All Over the City" (from the Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band LP) which closes with some bird sound effects. And I just now realized that the bird FX were EXACTLY the same as the ones used at the end of "Good Morning Good Morning"!  Meaning that the exact same EMI sound effects LP was used in both recordings!

Which I guess isn't really surprising, after all, since both "Sgt. Pepper" and "Plastic Ono Band" were recorded in the same studio after all. But it's kinda neat.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!" -- Paul McCartney
3 March 2011
3.57am
Avatar
Nigel the good dog
Nowhere Land
Candlestick Park
Forum Posts: 731
Member Since:
22 January 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3 March 2011
11.34am
Avatar
kedame
Miles above you
Candlestick Park
Forum Posts: 530
Member Since:
23 January 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
194sp_Permalink

I know I'm a little late to the party, but I just thought I'd add my two cents a-hard-days-night-george-10. While I don't think Yoko was the reason the Beatles broke up, I do believe her presence in John's life exacerbated the tensions already present in the band.

I have a little trouble with the "we should like her because John loved her" typical response I usually see to this question. The reason for that is that I'm not completely sure John was totally happy with her by the end. I know we've all seen the Double Fantasy promotional photos and listened to the album, but there are plenty of reports that they were not at their most stable during this time, with John spending the majority of his time in Apt. 72 and Yoko in Studio One, hardly ever seeing one another. I think they knew good PR when they saw it. Sure, she influenced some of John's work, but in my opinion, John's partnership with Paul produced his best work. Also, Walls And Bridges is one of my favorites of John's, and Yoko wasn't around for the making of it.

Also, Yoko has this thing about revisionist history when it comes to John's life. It's like she sometimes totally forgets he had a life outside of her and his peace activism (which only lasted a few years and which John later called naive). She helps push the "plastic dashboard Jesus John" that I am quoting from another site (Peter Doggett's blog). There are also many, many reports of her blocking calls to John from people such as Paur, other friends, and worst of all Julian, though this could be on John's request...who knows? Also, she likes to pretend (as did John, in later years) that John was miserable in their 18 months apart, which according to many people, he was not. He got back in touch with friends, with Julian, with his creativity.

Finally,  before I say this I want to make perfectly clear that I do not think Yoko should have spent these past 30 years alone. I really despise the fact that Yoko has said many times that she will never be able to be with another person again or that she is desperately lonely (see Peter Doggett's blog) when in fact she had a companion (allegedly Sam Havadtoy) for about 20 years, beginning a few months after John's death. I am not saying that she shouldn't have been with him. I am saying that she shouldn't pretend that she wasn't with him...it's not really any of our business, unless she brings it up...which she did to Peter Doggett. Also, I think I read somewhere one time that she said something about how she couldn't have married so quickly after John's death as Paul did after Linda's death (have no reference for this, so I can't remember if the wording is exactly right). I find that to be really hypocritical.

She loves to spread the concept of "peace," but I don't think she is the most peaceful person herself. IDK, I could be wrong, but that's just my impression from reading things about her. I have read her twitter stuff, and she even answered one of my questions, but her answers seem really naive to me sometimes. Peace can't be achieved just because we think about with all our might. It just doesn't work that way. Peace begins at home, with small things, and if the people around you comment a lot on your negativity (of course, some could be lying, but where there's smoke, there's generally fire), you aren't bringing peace to your home.

I sometimes hate the effect she had on John, but then I realise John was a grown person. If he was manipulated by her, he allowed himself to be manipulated.

Oh...and one more thing...I just can't get the image of a distraught 17 year old Julian traveling to NYC without his mother, who I am sure he needed desperately at the time, when John was killed, all because Yoko and Cynthia "aren't exactly old school friends." Heartless, much??

And I hate her music...and I guess I'm not "sophisticated" enough to get her art. Conceptual stuff was never my cup of tea, and a $200 apple is ridiculous.

"You can manicure a cat but can you caticure a man?" John Lennon- Skywriting by Word of Mouth
3 March 2011
12.36pm
Avatar
mr. Sun king coming together
Nowhere Land
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 6980
Member Since:
19 September 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
195sp_Permalink

Walls And Bridges was directly influenced by Yoko. The theme of those songs would never have come sans Yoko/Seperation

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

3 March 2011
5.19pm
Avatar
kedame
Miles above you
Candlestick Park
Forum Posts: 530
Member Since:
23 January 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
197sp_Permalink

I'm definitely not saying she should lay her personal life on the line, but when SHE is the one who brings it up, the one who mentions how she could never be with another person or whatever, THEN and only then is it hypocritical of her. I could care less that she had a relationship with Sam Havadtoy...that is her business, but she shouldn't lay on the "woe is me...I'll never love again," shtick. It gets old when you know it isn't true.

About Julian in NYC...I still find it cruel of her. That she wouldn't want him there, as Joe suggests, baffles me. I know they didn't have a funeral/memorial service, but I think family needs that kind of closure that comes with being together and mourning their loved one. Julian was a part of John...he had as much right to be at any of the services as Yoko and Sean. It would have killed me to not have been able to go to my dad's funeral when I was a kid...I couldn't imagine someone wanting to keep a kid from that.

I guess with the whole Paul thing- I like him so much that I usually side with him on things. It's a character flawa-hard-days-night-paul-11, and I know it. hehehe.

As you can tell, I'm kind of conflicted about Yoko. I don't want to dislike her, but there are only so many times you can explain away some of her behavior. Maybe as a newer fan, I'm just still a little sensitive to some of it.

"You can manicure a cat but can you caticure a man?" John Lennon- Skywriting by Word of Mouth
Forum Timezone: America/Chicago

Most Users Ever Online: 597

Currently Online: Necko, Sugarplum fairy, Merch, Silly Girl
50 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

meanmistermustard: 17138

Ahhh Girl: 10751

Annadog40: 9751

Zig: 7555

parlance: 7092

mr. Sun king coming together: 6980

Mr. Kite: 6092

Silly Girl: 5814

trcanberra: 5545

Ron Nasty: 4945

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 87

Members: 3334

Moderators: 4

Admins: 2

Forum Stats:

Groups: 3

Forums: 42

Topics: 3815

Posts: 202250

Newest Members:

beatlezoe, nicklav99, pbwriter, leenawilliams, ravenswolf

Moderators: Ahhh Girl: 10751, meanmistermustard: 17138, Zig: 7555, Joe: 4390

Administrators: Joe: 4390, Ellie: 3

Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today: None
Upcoming: DrBeatle