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Yoko Ono
1 March 2011
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well Yoko's okay, I just thought she a was a bit TOO clingy

1 March 2011
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Yeah, I guess dragging John to the bathroom IS a bit clingy!

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!" -- Paul McCartney
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WAT??? LOL THAT MADE ME LAUGH a-hard-days-night-george-9

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For me, there are two Yoko's: the musician Yoko, who I hate, and the person Yoko, who inspired John, who I love.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
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Agreed. I like Yoko, but not her music.

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3 March 2011
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OK, I know very few people will care aside from me; but anyways, I've been listening to "Greenfield Village I Pushed An Empty Baby Carriage All Over the City" (from the Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band LP) which closes with some bird sound effects. And I just now realized that the bird FX were EXACTLY the same as the ones used at the end of "Good Morning Good Morning"!  Meaning that the exact same EMI sound effects LP was used in both recordings!

Which I guess isn't really surprising, after all, since both "Sgt. Pepper" and "Plastic Ono Band" were recorded in the same studio after all. But it's kinda neat.

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3 March 2011
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Surprisingly, I actually care. Thanks for telling us.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
3 March 2011
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

Surprisingly, I actually care. Thanks for telling us.


And thanks for caring!

 

*num-ber-nine*

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3 March 2011
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Von Bontee said:

Yeah, I guess dragging John to the bathroom IS a bit clingy!


*covering George's ears* Well if I were dating a Beatle of course I'd be CLINGY!! *uncovering George ears* Hi darling.. yes I know you love me because I'm very independent right? Eh.. you want me to stop hugging you? But you smell so nice dear... a-hard-days-night-george-8

 

(Don't pay attention to me. I'm eating mangos and mangos make me high)

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8LOLOL

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*having another slice of mango*

 

I wonder... if John had had mangoes instead of LSD... the song would be.. Mango in the Sky with Diamonds???

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3 March 2011
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It takes two to mango!

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!" -- Paul McCartney
3 March 2011
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Speaking of mangos, I had a crepe with this cheesecake spread, strawberries, raspberries, and mangos. It was like listening to the Beatles for the first time: EPIC.

I love mangos. I like mangos more than Yoko. Mangos make me happy.

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3 March 2011
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I know I'm a little late to the party, but I just thought I'd add my two cents a-hard-days-night-george-10. While I don't think Yoko was the reason the Beatles broke up, I do believe her presence in John's life exacerbated the tensions already present in the band.

I have a little trouble with the "we should like her because John loved her" typical response I usually see to this question. The reason for that is that I'm not completely sure John was totally happy with her by the end. I know we've all seen the Double Fantasy promotional photos and listened to the album, but there are plenty of reports that they were not at their most stable during this time, with John spending the majority of his time in Apt. 72 and Yoko in Studio One, hardly ever seeing one another. I think they knew good PR when they saw it. Sure, she influenced some of John's work, but in my opinion, John's partnership with Paul produced his best work. Also, Walls and Bridges is one of my favorites of John's, and Yoko wasn't around for the making of it.

Also, Yoko has this thing about revisionist history when it comes to John's life. It's like she sometimes totally forgets he had a life outside of her and his peace activism (which only lasted a few years and which John later called naive). She helps push the "plastic dashboard Jesus John" that I am quoting from another site (Peter Doggett's blog). There are also many, many reports of her blocking calls to John from people such as Paur, other friends, and worst of all Julian, though this could be on John's request...who knows? Also, she likes to pretend (as did John, in later years) that John was miserable in their 18 months apart, which according to many people, he was not. He got back in touch with friends, with Julian, with his creativity.

Finally,  before I say this I want to make perfectly clear that I do not think Yoko should have spent these past 30 years alone. I really despise the fact that Yoko has said many times that she will never be able to be with another person again or that she is desperately lonely (see Peter Doggett's blog) when in fact she had a companion (allegedly Sam Havadtoy) for about 20 years, beginning a few months after John's death. I am not saying that she shouldn't have been with him. I am saying that she shouldn't pretend that she wasn't with him...it's not really any of our business, unless she brings it up...which she did to Peter Doggett. Also, I think I read somewhere one time that she said something about how she couldn't have married so quickly after John's death as Paul did after Linda's death (have no reference for this, so I can't remember if the wording is exactly right). I find that to be really hypocritical.

She loves to spread the concept of "peace," but I don't think she is the most peaceful person herself. IDK, I could be wrong, but that's just my impression from reading things about her. I have read her twitter stuff, and she even answered one of my questions, but her answers seem really naive to me sometimes. Peace can't be achieved just because we think about with all our might. It just doesn't work that way. Peace begins at home, with small things, and if the people around you comment a lot on your negativity (of course, some could be lying, but where there's smoke, there's generally fire), you aren't bringing peace to your home.

I sometimes hate the effect she had on John, but then I realise John was a grown person. If he was manipulated by her, he allowed himself to be manipulated.

Oh...and one more thing...I just can't get the image of a distraught 17 year old Julian traveling to NYC without his mother, who I am sure he needed desperately at the time, when John was killed, all because Yoko and Cynthia "aren't exactly old school friends." Heartless, much??

And I hate her music...and I guess I'm not "sophisticated" enough to get her art. Conceptual stuff was never my cup of tea, and a $200 apple is ridiculous.

"You can manicure a cat but can you caticure a man?" John Lennon- Skywriting by Word of Mouth
3 March 2011
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Walls and Bridges was directly influenced by Yoko. The theme of those songs would never have come sans Yoko/Seperation

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3 March 2011
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Kedame - I tend to agree with most of what you say, though I think whether or not she chooses to lay her personal life on the line is entirely up to her. She and McCartney for years wound each other up with petty jibes in the press, so the comments about Paul remarrying aren't so surprising.

Yep, her Twitter stuff is grade-A BS, but then you can draw a direct line from it right back to Grapefruit. It's the people who take it seriously you have to worry about.

As for the comments to Cynthia, I can understand where she's coming from. They were said just hours after John had died, and she probably didn't want his ex-wife to be hanging around with years of emotional baggage. I'm sure she didn't really want Julian there either, but recognised it might be diplomatic to make a concession. Either way, Cynthia could have travelled to NYC and stayed in a hotel if she'd really wanted to accompany her son.

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3 March 2011
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I'm definitely not saying she should lay her personal life on the line, but when SHE is the one who brings it up, the one who mentions how she could never be with another person or whatever, THEN and only then is it hypocritical of her. I could care less that she had a relationship with Sam Havadtoy...that is her business, but she shouldn't lay on the "woe is me...I'll never love again," shtick. It gets old when you know it isn't true.

About Julian in NYC...I still find it cruel of her. That she wouldn't want him there, as Joe suggests, baffles me. I know they didn't have a funeral/memorial service, but I think family needs that kind of closure that comes with being together and mourning their loved one. Julian was a part of John...he had as much right to be at any of the services as Yoko and Sean. It would have killed me to not have been able to go to my dad's funeral when I was a kid...I couldn't imagine someone wanting to keep a kid from that.

I guess with the whole Paul thing- I like him so much that I usually side with him on things. It's a character flawa-hard-days-night-paul-11, and I know it. hehehe.

As you can tell, I'm kind of conflicted about Yoko. I don't want to dislike her, but there are only so many times you can explain away some of her behavior. Maybe as a newer fan, I'm just still a little sensitive to some of it.

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3 March 2011
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kedame - first of all, welcome to the Forum.

Second, your posts above were very well written. I share your feelings of confliction toward Yoko (see my post #179 in this same thread as proof).

Like you, I really don't blame her for the breakup and certainly don't want to dislike her. That wouldn't exactly be promoting peace would it?

But man, sometimes...

I'll be looking forward to more of your contributions to other topics. Hope you enjoy your stay here.

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mithveaen said:

Von Bontee said:

Yeah, I guess dragging John to the bathroom IS a bit clingy!


*covering George's ears* Well if I were dating a Beatle of course I'd be CLINGY!! *uncovering George ears* Hi darling.. yes I know you love me because I'm very independent right? Eh.. you want me to stop hugging you? But you smell so nice dear... a-hard-days-night-george-8
 

(Don't pay attention to me. I'm eating mangos and mangos make me high)

True, but not anoying all the other Beatles :P a-hard-days-night-ringo-7 I think youve had enough mangos.... a-hard-days-night-george-10 I wonder wat George does smell like.... eh probly mango's now that youve handled him hehe a-hard-days-night-george-10


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Oh the other Beatles don't mind about me hugging George a lot. *ahem*

 

And George smells like Indian scents mixed with mangoes. LOL!!

 

OK I have to stop NOW!

 

Re: Yoko and Julian. I dunno. I feel partial to Julian because I'm a fan of his music. He definetly got some bs in his life from his Dad and his stepmom, but he seems to be now over it.

 

But I can't say that Yoko is an awfull stepmom (even if she truly was an AWFUL stepmom) because I would be biased by my own situation, my Dad has a long relationship with a lady and I talk to her only if I have to. It's not that I hate her. She's just not my Mom. That's why I feel identified with Julian in a way, I felt abandoned by my parents when I was a kid, even if I wasn't really physically abandoned by him. Now I get their situation.

 

What I try to say is that I don't bash Yoko that easily because I don't know the situation. If others do that's fine with me. Julian has done it and he knows better.  I wonder how much we project our personal family issues with the Lennons drama.

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