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Why was Capitol allowed to release Beatles records in early 1964 if Vee Jay had the rights?
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The early US contracts were done on the basis of individual releases, and obligations related to those releases. Capitol, being owned by EMI, always had the rights to release The Beatles. However, if Capitol passed on releasing something, which they did up until the I Want To Hold Your Hand single, they were free to shop around for release. Hence, the rights to early releases going to Vee Jay, Swan and Tollie. They gained limited, and conditional, rights to release material that Capitol had passed on.

Swan only had the rights to the She Loves You single, Tollie - I think - were sub-licensed by Vee-Jay, but basically Vee-Jay had the rights to everything prior to the I Want To Hold Your Hand single and the With The Beatles album. The lawsuit, if you look into it, is actually quite interesting, in that Capitol was the defendant, not the claimant.

It revolved around their use of I Saw Her Standing There on the b-side of I Want To Hold Your Hand (replacing This Boy), and its inclusion on Meet The Beatles! It was a song that Capitol did not have the rights to, and was a case that - in the short term - they lost, and had to pay damages to Vee Jay over.

However, because of financial muscle, and the lack of on Vee Jay's part, the settlement drastically reduced Vee Jay's rights, and was partially responsible for Vee Jay knocking out the songs they had the rights to in every variation they could think of during 1964, and Capitol doing the same when they got the rights in 1965 (The Early Beatles plus a whole slew of singles).

I hope this helps your understanding.

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Thanks.

I did some googling and found more info in free online excerpts of Dave Marsh's book, The Beatles' Second Album.

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Haha, I used to see a copy of that "Jolly What!" album in the dollar bin at this old used record shop where I spent half my adolescence. (Same bin where I found a barely playable MONO copy of SPLHCB; and man was I a fool for getting rid of that! As well as for not buying the Canadian LPs Beatlemania! With The Beatles and Twist And Shout, which also made appearances in that same bin.)

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So I am aware that Capitol originally turned down the Beatles and so a deal was made with Vee-Jay giving them the rights to the songs from Please Please Me (except Love Me Do and PS I Love You) and the From Me To You single. Then a deal was made with Swan giving them the rights to She Loves You and I'll Get You. So after Capitol finally started releasing the Beatles music, it was decided that Vee-Jay and Swan would keep their rights until late-1964 and then the rights would transfer to Capitol. But before Vee-Jay and Swan lost their rights, Capitol had already released I Saw Her Standing There on Meet the Beatles and Thank You Girl, She Loves You and I'll Get You on The Beatles' Second Album. Why were they allowed to do this?

Note by Ahhh Girl 25 May 2014: This post was the beginning of a new thread. The next post was a reply to the OP. I moved both posts to this thread. Thank you to @meanmistermustard for pointing this out.

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Capitol had already sent Vee-Jay Records a "cease and desist" letter to stop pressing the Beatles songs, but while it was going through the courts, they continued releasing music to make as much money as possible off of the Beatles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V.....ay_Records

Ironically Canada Capitol was first to release any Beatles music in N.A. before either US record company came around to accept Beatlemania a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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Bongo said
Capitol had already sent Vee-Jay Records a "cease and desist" letter to stop pressing the Beatles songs, but while it was going through the courts, they continued releasing music to make as much money as possible off of the Beatles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V.....ay_Records

Ironically Canada Capitol was first to release any Beatles music in N.A. before either US record company came around to accept Beatlemania a-hard-days-night-paul-11

The Canadians are the smart ones, eh? Cashing on the Beatle boom!!!a-hard-days-night-john-6a-hard-days-night-john-6

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thisbirdhasflown said

Bongo said
Capitol had already sent Vee-Jay Records a "cease and desist" letter to stop pressing the Beatles songs, but while it was going through the courts, they continued releasing music to make as much money as possible off of the Beatles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V.....ay_Records

Ironically Canada Capitol was first to release any Beatles music in N.A. before either US record company came around to accept Beatlemania a-hard-days-night-paul-11

The Canadians are the smart ones, eh? Cashing on the Beatle boom!!!a-hard-days-night-john-6a-hard-days-night-john-6

Not strictly true. The first single to feature the Beatles released in the USA was My Bonniecredited to Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers. It was released on Decca (31382) on 23 April 1962. Re-released by MGM (K-13213) on 27 January 1964 as by The Beatles with Tony Sheridan. It was the first single released to feature them (Germany), the first UK single (January 1962), and the first US single.

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Ron Nasty said

Bongo said 

Ironically Canada Capitol was first to release any Beatles music in N.A. before either US record company came around to accept Beatlemania a-hard-days-night-paul-11

Not strictly true. The first single to feature the Beatles released in the USA was My Bonniecredited to Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers. It was released on Decca (31382) on 23 April 1962. 

Well, if you wanna be picky, it was released in USA & Canada on the same day: http://capitol6000.com/beatles45.html, but seriously, we both know this is not a Beatles release, this is a Tony Sheridan release.

The following singles on that page show more Beatles singles released in 1963.  Just sayin'  two-virgins

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This seemed like the most ideal place to x-post this: Billboard article: Concord Music Group Acquires Famed Soul Label Vee-Jay Records

(if the labels sounds familiar, they released Paul's NEW)

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