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Who was the 'Fifth Beatle'?
9 December 2010
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As long as we're going beyond "Fifth" and into "Sixth"...

 

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Whom would you call "the fifth beatle"? I would either say billy because he played on many songs in the end or george martin, because he also played piano on some songs and he was very important for the beatles sound, as producer and as arranger

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Fundamentally speaking, it should be either Stuart or Pete. And since I feel like nit-picking right now, Ringo was actually the sixth beatle a-hard-days-night-paul-4 But I suppose I would give the title of "honorary beatle" to George Martin considering his influence on arranging and special effects, also, he is the only person outside the Beatles to have songs of his own on a Beatles record 

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George Martin has a great claim but he was never a 'beatle'. I'd probably end up sitting with Pete or Stu. Both were accepted as being fully fleged band members but on a push Stu had a greater influence; the hairstyle and his leaving pushing Paul to take up the bass being two.

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I think that Brian (Epstein) is a contender for the 'fifth Beatle' title. He made The Beatles ''bigger than Elvis'' and he kept them together, in a way. Although, if we´re talking literally, then I suppose it would have to be either Pete or Stu.

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I once had the idea of writing a book: "Fifty Fifth Beatles". There are so many of them.

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When I hear the term "Fifth Beatle" I equate that to something along theses lines (stay with me).

Here in the U.S., when the fan base for any sports team goes above and beyond in their support, they are referred to as the extra man. In U.S. football, there are 11 players on each side. Therefore, a raucous home crowd is referred to as the "Twelfth Man". I only bring that up because I feel you don't have to be a member of the team to be a Twelfth Man any more than you had to be a member of the band to be a Fifith Beatle. 

Having bored you with all of that, I vote for Brian Martin....or is it George Epstein?

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Arguments can be made for many people (see Joe's post above), but for my money, it's George Martin.

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Zig is 100% correct on all fronts, although Epstein and Martin I'd say are tied.

However, Martin was only with the Beatles in the studio and Epstein was only involved with touring (ONCE he got them a contract) (also merchandising, but he wasn't so great there).

If you take a little poetic license with the concept of the 5th Beatle, only one person was with them nearly continuously from beginning to end, in the studio, on tour, on the movie set, in the movies themselves, on vacation with them, you name it;

that would be .... that's right: mal-evans

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No wrong answers here. But I go with George Martin, most chiefly because he played on, what, two-three dozen Beatles recordings?

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I always imagined if the beatles had continued after 1969 they would have made billy into their fifth member becuase I think they had to tour again if they wanted to continue, but I may be wrong. Anyway I always wondered why George Martin didn't play piano during the get back sessions, he was really good

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Martin wasnt all for the Get Back project and had taken a step back from The Beatles due to the tensions in the band. He was still around just not as keen to participate.

I think youre right about Billy being asked to go on tour if it had ever happened George. They may have gone further and had additional outside musicians involved as well, good friends of theirs tho, as they were all too aware of the restrictions of 3 guitars and drums and the odd switch to piano/organ/keyboard.

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They would've probably invite Eric Clapton.

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Note by Ahhh Girl: Hildy had started a new thread with the title "Who was the 'Fifth Beatle' George Martin or Brian Epstein". I moved the post into this on-going conversation about the subject. I hope you enjoy looking through this thread, @Hildy.

 

John, Paul, George and Ringo.

There were others who came before but the Fab Four as named above is the authentic band line-up.

We often hear talk of a 5th Beatle, but who would it be? Surely George Martin or Brian Epstein, but which one?

On the face of it, George Martin seems like a sound choice due to his influence on the music, but Brian Epstein influenced the band's look, their behaviour on stage and he also organised and managed their hectic schedules.

The Beatles were four, but Martin and Epstein each had leading roles to play. I'm not sure I could put one before the other.

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Ahhh Girl, I have no problem with you merging my thread into this one. 

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-10Thanks, Hildy.

You may have noticed that the mods leave notes about merges just in case we have to undo any of them.

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Supporters of football teams are sometimes referred to as "The 12th Man" and using that logic I would say The 5th Beatle is the fans.

The obvious statement is, without the Beatles there'd be no fans and without the fans, there'd be no Beatles.

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Noah this was a thread that I subscribed to so that If I left the site the email would bring me back, now I must go find another thread to sub to bring me back.

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