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Who was the beatles best guitarist?
26 August 2012
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Why does Ringo have a vote but John doesn't have any? I don't even think Ringo played guitar on any of their songs. Anyways, that's hard, I don't know. Paul and George are pretty close, so if I do like one's playing better than the other it's really close.paul-mccartney

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mithveaen said
The Beatles best guitarist? Eric Clapton. blue-meanie

a-hard-days-night-john-6agreed. Why didn't I think of that

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I'll still take Paul's "Taxman" and "Good Morning" solos over anything Overrated Eric's ever played!

A vote for Ringo instead of John can only be somebody's idea of a silly joke, or maybe an inaccurate use of an iPhone or tablet or whatever

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paulsbass said

Just an example: The two most often played Beatles songs are "Yesterday" and "Michelle",

That is so obviously wrong that I'm really surprised nobody has pulled you up on it. Michelle the second most played Beatles song, please.

According to last.fm (which has 383m Beatles plays scrobbled to it), Come Together is the most listened to Beatles song, then Let It Be, then Yesterday. Michelle is 41st, wedged nicely between Glass Onion and Maxwell's Silver Hammer.

In the last six months, things have picked up for Michelle (up to 37th), but Yesterday has fallen behind Here Comes The Sun.

 

To answer the OP, for me the question is similar to the question as to who is the Beatles' best bassist. Ringo didn't play it, John did on occasion but was quite sloppy, and then you have Paul and George. Each played the other's instrument on occasion, each has some nifty parts on the other's instrument, but when it comes down to it, they can't match the volume of great parts the other one had.

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Paulsbass may have meant "most covered" in place of "most often played". "Yesterday"'s #1, dunno if "Michelle" is indeed #2 however.

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Von Bontee said
Paulsbass may have meant "most covered" in place of "most often played". "Yesterday"'s #1, dunno if "Michelle" is indeed #2 however.

It isn't – Something is number 2.

The Walrus said 

To answer the OP, for me the question is similar to the question as to who is the Beatles' best bassist. Ringo didn't play it, John did on occasion but was quite sloppy, and then you have Paul and George. Each played the other's instrument on occasion, each has some nifty parts on the other's instrument, but when it comes down to it, they can't match the volume of great parts the other one had.

Thank you for vocalizing my point.

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Well for my money, George and Paul were the best in the band at their respective main instruments. I don't understand people who consider George to be a better bassist than Paul- although George was technically skilled, he played bass like it was a guitar, which is something one should never do. I think George's general feel and prowess on lead guitar is miles ahead of Paul's experimental "bendy" playing though.

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"he played bass like it was a guitar, which is something one should never do" – no, one should only play the bass as if one were Yoda!

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Ben Ramon said
Well for my money, George and Paul were the best in the band at their respective main instruments. I don't understand people who consider George to be a better bassist than Paul- although George was technically skilled, he played bass like it was a guitar, which is something one should never do. I think George's general feel and prowess on lead guitar is miles ahead of Paul's experimental "bendy" playing though.

I'm not very well versed in guitar, and I've always wondered what "bendy" playing is. Care to enlighten me?

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paulsbass said

Just an example: The two most often played Beatles songs are "Yesterday" and "Michelle",

That is so obviously wrong that I'm really surprised nobody has pulled you up on it. Michelle the second most played Beatles song, please.

 

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Feel free to apologize. I might even accept it.

According to last.fm (which has 383m Beatles plays scrobbled to it), Come Together is the most listened to Beatles song, then Let It Be, then Yesterday. Michelle is 41st, wedged nicely between Glass Onion and Maxwell's Silver Hammer.

I don't know enough about last.fm to talk about it as arrogantly as you did about my post, but isn't that something where you demand songs?

You said yourself: "Most listened to"

"Normal" radio stations tend to play songs no matter who wants to listen to it, although they obviously take notice of the "public demand".

"You've lost your loving feeling" leads ALL songs here, "Yesterday" coming in second, with "Michelle" being among the up-runners.

 Btw, Lennon fans: "Imagine" is his most played song.

 

Again, feel free to show some class.

At least try.

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kedame said

I'm not very well versed in guitar, and I've always wondered what "bendy" playing is. Care to enlighten me?

Always a pleasure to enlighten my favourite poster, even if I'm not addressed personally.

Is that ok, kedame and Ben?

Please correct me if I put it wrong.

 

On the fretboard every fret is a certain note when you press the string.

"Bending" means that you bend the string, thus increasing the "tightness", thus increasing the pitch, so the note gets higher.

Check out "Another girl" or the "Ticket to ride" fills for examples.

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Paulsbass may have meant "most covered" in place of "most often played". "Yesterday"'s #1, dunno if "Michelle" is indeed #2 however.

Nope, most often PLAYED on the radio, world wide.

Here's the list from the site:

Note that apart from Something and Here comes the sun there are only Paul songs: Yesterday, Michelle, Hey Jude, Let it be, Penny Lane, And I love her, The long and winding road.

I would have expected All you need is love, but no John song. But he's got Imagine.

Btw, this list is a nice explanation why my live repertoire works so well among people of every age everywhere: I play about half of these songs! a-hard-days-night-paul-7 Edit: Ok, not true, it's more like 45, so about a quarter. But the percentage is a lot higher in the top 50.

 

Over 8 Million Times

  • You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' – The Righteous Brothers

Over 7 Million Times
  • Yesterday – The Beatles
  • Never My Love – The Association
  • Dock Of The Bay – Otis Redding
  • Stand By Me – Ben E. King

Over 6 Million Times
  • Michelle – The Beatles
  • Oh Pretty Woman – Roy Orbison
  • Mrs. Robinson – Simon and Garfunkel
  • Your Song – Elton John
  • How Sweet It Is – James Taylor
  • Baby, I Need Your Loving – Johnny Rivers
  • Every Breath You Take – The Police
  • All I Have To Do Is Dream – The Everly Brothers
  • On Broadway – The Drifters
  • Wind Beneath My Wings – Bette Midler
  • I Can't Stop Loving You – Ray Charles
  • Higher & Higher – Rita Coolidge
  • I Heard It Through The Grapevine – Marvin Gaye
  • Oh Girl – The Chi-lights
  • Up, Up and Away – The Fifth Dimension
  • Georgia On My Mind – Ray Charles
  • Save the Last Dance for Me – The Drifters
  • Only You – The Platters
  • Twilight Time – The Platters
  • Breaking Up Is Hard to Do – Neil Sedaka
  • Strangers in the Night – Frank Sinatra

Over 5 Million Times
  • Imagine – John Lennon
  • Suspicious Minds – Elvis Presley
  • Something – The Beatles
  • Killing Me Softly With His Song – Roberta Flack
  • (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction – The Rolling Stones
  • California Girls – The Beachboys
  • Bridge Over Troubled Water – Simon and Garfunkel
  • How Deep Is Your Love – The Bee Gees
  • Up on the Roof – The Drifters
  • Hooked on a Feeling – B.J. Thomas
  • The Rose – Bette Midler
  • I'd Really Love To See You Tonite – England Dan & John Ford Coley
  • Up on the Roof – The Drifters
  • I Will Always Love You – Dolly Parton
  • When A Man Loves A Woman – Percy Sledge
  • Sounds Of Silence – Simon and Garfunkel
  • Scarborough Fair – Simon and Garfunkel
  • By The Time I Get To Phoenix – Glen Campbell
  • You Can't Hurry Love – The Supremes
  • Traces – The Classics IV
  • Goin' Out Of My Head – Little Anthony and The Imperials
  • Rhythm Of The Rain – The Cascades
  • The Letter – The Box Tops
  • Layla – Eric Clapton
  • Dreams – Stevie Nicks
  • Happy Together – The Turtles
  • Baby I Need Your Lovin' – Johnny Rivers
  • Cherish – The Association
  • Gentle On My Mind – Glen Campbell
  • Sunny – Bobby Hebb
  • Proud Mary – Credence Clearwater Revival
  • Angel Of The Morning – Merilee Rush
  • Everybody's Talkin' – Nilsson
  • The Heart of the Matter – Don Henley
  • Always on My Mind – Willie Nelson
  • Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You – Frankie Valli
  • Sometimes When We Touch – Dan Hill
  • You Send Me – Sam Cooke
  • Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye – The Casinos
  • Release Me – Englebert Humperdinck
  • Canadian Sunset – Guy Lombardo
  • More – Marcello Ciorciolini

Over 4 Million Times
  • Take It Easy – The Eagles
  • Let It Be – The Beatles
  • Crying – Roy Orbison
  • Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me – Elton John
  • Daydream Believer – The Monkees
  • Windy – The Association
  • Fire and Rain – James Taylor
  • Daniel – Elton John
  • Margaritaville – Jimmy Buffett
  • Brown Eyed Girl – Van Morrison
  • Let Your Love Flow – The Bellamy Brothers
  • Don't Be Cruel – Elvis Presley
  • Listen to the Music – The Doobie Brothers
  • Best of My Love – Eagles
  • Blue Bayou – Roy Orbison
  • Mr. Bojangles – The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
  • It's Just A Matter Of Time – Brook Benton
  • I Honestly Love You – Olivia Newton John
  • For the Good Times – Ray Price
  • We've Only Just Begun – The Carpenters
  • What a Wonderful World – Sam Cooke
  • My Special Angel – The Vogues
  • A Groovy Kind of Love – Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders
  • Put A Little Love In Your Heart – Jackie DeShannon
  • Both Sides Now – Joni Mitchell
  • Snowbird – Anne Murray
  • Everlasting Love – Carl Carlton
  • My Cherie Amour – Stevie Wonder
  • If You Don't Know Me By Now – Harold Melvin & The Bluenotes
  • The Most Beautiful Girl – Charlie Rich
  • Spanish Eyes – Engelbert Humperdinck
  • Help Me Make It Through the Night – Sami Smith
  • Born Free – Matt Monroe
  • I Never Promised You A Rose Garden – Lynn Anderson

Over 3 Million Times
  • Hey Jude – The Beatles
  • Here Comes The Sun – The Beatles
  • Alone Again, Naturally – Gilbert O'Sullivan
  • Baker Street – Gerry Rafferty
  • Desperado – Eagles
  • Dust In The Wind – Kansas
  • Do You Believe In Magic – The Lovin' Spoonful
  • Good Vibrations – The Beach Boys
  • Kokomo – The Beach Boys
  • Goodbye Yellow Brick Road – Elton John
  • Tie A Yellow Ribbon – Tony Orlando
  • For What It's Worth – Buffalo Springfield
  • The End Of The Innocence – Don Henley
  • Don't Stop – Fleetwood Mac
  • Doctor My Eyes – Jackson Browne
  • How Can You Mend A Broken Heart – The Bee Gees
  • Heartache Tonight – Eagles
  • I Can't Tell You Why – Eagles
  • Tequila Sunrise – Eagles
  • Love Me Tender – Elvis Presley
  • Maggie May – Rod Stewart
  • Memphis – Chuck Berry
  • I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues – Elton John
  • Higher Love – Steve Winwood
  • Lean On Me – Bill Withers
  • My Sweet Lord – George Harrison
  • Turn Turn Turn – The Byrds
  • You Are So Beautiful – Joe Cocker
  • That'll Be The Day – Buddy Holly
  • Spooky – The Classics IV
  • Still The One – Kansas
  • On and On – Stephen Bishop
  • Penny Lane – The Beatles
  • Poor Side Of Town – Johnny Rivers
  • Soul and Inspiration – The Righteous Brothers
  • Spinning Wheel – Blood, Sweat and Tears
  • Time Of The Season – The Zombies
  • To Love Somebody – The Bee Gees
  • And I Love Her – The Beatles
  • Summer Breeze – Seals and Crofts
  • You Made Me So Very Happy – Blood, Sweat and Tears
  • Bye Bye Love – The Everly Brothers
  • Cathy's Clown – The Everly Brothers
  • Crocodile Rock – Elton John
  • Dance With Me – Orleans
  • Dancing In The Street – Martha Reeves
  • Do You Know Where You're Going To – Diana Ross
  • Don't Pull Your Love – Hamilton, Joe Frank and Reynolds
  • Behind Closed Doors – Charlie Rich
  • Don't Worry Baby – The Beach Boys
  • Down On The Corner – Credence Clearwater Revival
  • Dream Lover – Bobby Darin
  • Drivin' My Life Away – Eddie Rabbit
  • Everything I Do, I Do It For You – Bryan Adams
  • Feelin' Groovy – Harpers Bizarre
  • The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face – Roberta Flack
  • For All We Know – The Carpenters
  • For Once In My Life – Stevie Wonder
  • Get Together – The Youngbloods
  • Go Away Little Girl – Donnie Osmond
  • Hard To Say I'm Sorry – Chicago
  • Have You Never Been Mellow – Olivia Newton John
  • Cupid – Sam Cooke
  • After The Lovin' – Engelbert Humperdinck
  • Hello It's Me – Todd Rundgren
  • Another Somebody Done Somebody Wrong Song – B.J. Thomas
  • Homeward Bound – Simon and Garfunkel
  • Hooked On A Feeling – B.J. Thomas
  • Classical Gas – Mason Williams
  • I Can't Help Myself – The Four Tops
  • I Write The Songs – Barrie Manilow
  • Key Largo – Bertie Higgins
  • King Of The Road – Roger Miller
  • Kiss Him Goodbye – Steam
  • Laughter In The Rain – Neil Sedaka
  • Let Me Be There – Olivia Newton John
  • The Loco-Motion – Little Eva
  • The Long and Winding Road – The Beatles
  • Love Will Keep Us Together – Captain and Tennille
  • Mandy – Barrie Manilow
  • Love's Theme – Barrie White
  • Mony Mony – Tommy James
  • My Eyes Adored You – Frankie Valli
  • New Kid In Town – Eagles
  • Nobody Does It Better – Carly Simon
  • Reach Out, I'll Be There – The Four Tops
  • Reminiscing – Little River Band
  • Someday We'll Be Together – The Supremes
  • Under The Boardwalk – The Drifters
  • Up On The Roof – The Drifters
  • Wake Up Little Suzie – The Everly Brothers
  • We Just Disagree – Dave Mason
  • Wedding Bell Blues – The Fifth Dimension
  • Where Did Our Love Go? – The Supremes
  • Wildfire – Michael Murphy
  • You Are The Woman – Firefall
  • You Got It – Roy Orbison
  • Summertime Blues – Eddie Cochran
  • Southern Nights – Glen Campbell
  • Put Your Head On My Shoulder – Paul Anka
  • My Way – Frank Sinatra
  • How Am I Supposed To Live Without You – Michal Bolton
  • I Love A Rainy Night – Eddie Rabbit
  • El Paso – Marty Robbins
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paulsbass said

Von Bontee said
Paulsbass may have meant "most covered" in place of "most often played". "Yesterday"'s #1, dunno if "Michelle" is indeed #2 however.

Nope, most often PLAYED on the radio, world wide.

As of 2002… I'd prefer more up to date figures.

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As of 2002… I'd prefer more up to date figures.

Me too.

Get some and prove me wrong.

But I guess we can agree that what I said was NOT as "obviously wrong" as Mr. Walrus put it.

Btw: Consider it took Yesterday 40 years to reach 7 Million plays.

Which one of the uprunners do you consider your favourite to gain more than three million plays in 10 years??

Even if the WOULD put up a rate as Yesterday, meaning 175000 plays a year, they would only make 1,75 Million plays in 10 years – and that's WITHOUT Yesterday making ANY MORE plays!

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http://adhdrecords.com/rockand…..-all-time/

Something is number two – so you were wrong.

Although, honestly, I put much more weight on Last FM – listener numbers fluctuates by area with conventional radio, whereas Last FM counts the number of times you choose to listen to a song.

Edit:

Btw: Consider it took Yesterday 40 years to reach 7 Million plays.

Which one of the uprunners do you consider your favourite to gain more than three million plays in 10 years??

Even if the WOULD put up a rate as Yesterday, meaning 175000 plays a year, they would only make 1,75 Million plays in 10 years – and that's WITHOUT Yesterday making ANY MORE plays!

I haven't the slightest idea what you mean. I don't reject Yesterday is the most played Beatles song on radio. It is.
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http://adhdrecords.com/rockand…..-all-time/

Something is number two – so you were wrong.

Hahaha, you forget to mention that Michelle is still Nr. 3 on this list, so I wasn't as faaaaaaaaaaar out as Mr. Walrus suggested, agreed? Good.

And this list doesn't say from when it is. It's basically the same songs from the other list, they might even have taken them and numbered them just for fun.

Anyway, I don't care if it's Nr. 2 or 3, it's up there, that's what I said.

 

I haven't the slightest idea what you mean. I don't reject Yesterday is the most played Beatles song on radio. It is.

No? I thought that was an easy one.

You want more recent numbers.

But consider the amount of plays it would need to change the rating, even for a song that would get played as often as Yesterday, and obviously there is almost no other song out there to do that.

To overtake Yesterday or Michelle any song would need a LOT of plays – and these songs STILL get MORE plays, that's what I was saying.

BTW, last.fm only appeals to a certain group of listeners, meaning young adults, mostly, I think that's indisputable.

So you get the "cool" songs more up here and the "oldies" way down.

But this is in now way representing the universal status of a song.

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paulsbass said

kedame said

I'm not very well versed in guitar, and I've always wondered what "bendy" playing is. Care to enlighten me?

Always a pleasure to enlighten my favourite poster, even if I'm not addressed personally.

Is that ok, kedame and Ben?

Please correct me if I put it wrong.

 

On the fretboard every fret is a certain note when you press the string.

"Bending" means that you bend the string, thus increasing the "tightness", thus increasing the pitch, so the note gets higher.

Check out "Another girl" or the "Ticket to ride" fills for examples.

That's exactly it. If you listen to any McCartney lead guitar, you'll see he likes his bends.

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Ben Ramon said

That's exactly it. If you listen to any McCartney lead guitar, you'll see he likes his bends.

Besides sounding great and soulful when done correctly it's also a "cool" way to cover up technical limitations, or, in other words, an "easy" way to sound cool! a-hard-days-night-paul-11 Hey, Paul, I still love you!

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I didn't forget a damn thing – I stated that Something is number 2 – which means you were wrong to say Yesterday and Michelle were the two most played songs.
I don't give a shit about this petty pissing contest you feel the win – stop trying. Actually, I'm shocked that you are giving number of plays value. From someone who has said that Paul's solo career is better then the critics say it is, how can you then use popularity numbers to make a point?
Oh, and George plays the f***ing guitar solo in Michelle, by the way. You must have forgotten to mention it.

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I didn't forget a damn thing – I stated that Something is number 2 – which means you were wrong to say Yesterday and Michelle were the two most played songs.
I don't give a shit about this petty pissing contest you feel the win – stop trying. Actually, I'm shocked that you are giving number of plays value. From someone who has said that Paul's solo career is better then the critics say it is, how can you then use popularity numbers to make a point?
Oh, and George plays the f***ing guitar solo in Michelle, by the way. You must have forgotten to mention it.

Dude, did I ask you to calm down?

I guess I did several times… Don't embarrass yourself with language like that.

This is what you get when you get yourself involved with discussions between other users…

WALRUS said something like it was toooooootally stupid to consider Michelle being the second most played Beatles song.

I guess I heard about this "most often played songs of the 20st century" stuff so I knew it was correct.

THAT was my point, and it wasn't far out. And all YOU did was putting such a weight on the excact position, when in fact in wasn't far apart. And you did this by coming up with a list nobody knows where it comes and cites from (at least I don't see it).

 

Now it's my turn again to not understand your point (not the first time) about the critical stuff and popularity… Don't see where you're trying to go there, and guess what – I don't want to know.

 

IF you get into other people's disputes at least try and follow each one's position!

 

Btw, Michelle:

Yes, there is this little and quite unspectacular electric guitar solo in the middle.

But all the acoustic stuff, the legendary riff at the beginning and everything: That's Paul, and that's the important stuff in this song.

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