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Who was the beatles best guitarist?
22 August 2012
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McCartney mentions his guitar playing in the 'Living In The Material World' documentary where he say's they needed a great guitar player that could solo.

Here is a link to a nice article about George's guitar playing and his influence on the band that you might enjoy. 

http://www.acguitar.com/issues.....re122.html

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paulsbass said

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McCartney mentions his guitar playing in the 'Living In The Material World' documentary where he say's they needed a great guitar player that could solo.

Here is a link to a nice article about George's guitar playing and his influence on the band that you might enjoy. 

http://www.acguitar.com/issues.....re122.html

That IS a nice article, although I'm not that impressed with some of the things he said, PLUS he gave "Paperback writer" to George, when it's really Paul PLUS George.

You are correct. Also George and Paul play the solo together in 'The Night Before' I always wondered how they got that sound during the solo.

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paulsbass said

STILL I don't think many people are aware on how many songs Paul actually played guitar.

Paulsbass, what about this are you not getting? Mr. SKCT has found 36 tracks featuring Paul on guitar. Even being extremely conservative about it, we can be assured that there are at least 100 tracks with guitar contributions from both John and George. Numerically speaking, Paul's contribution was MINIMAL. Why you insist on interpreting the word as some kind of Paul-putdown and not as a neutral, verifiable fact is a mystery. If you wish to argue that EVERYTHING Paul played was better than what George or John played, fine. That he played much LESS than them is a fact you'll just have to deal with.

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paulsbass said

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You are correct. Also George and Paul play the solo together in 'The Night Before' I always wondered how they got that sound during the solo.

In contrast to The night before where there are obviously two guitars playing I can't even hear George on Paperback writer, at least not without headphones. The main riff is Paul, which I never realized before, to be honest. But when you know it, you can hear Paul's sound, which is a little thinner and with less vibrato than George's.

Btw, The night before, while musically ok, has REAAAAALLY cringe-worthy lyrics...

Paul did right some weak lyrics in the Beatles songs. My favorite by him lyrically is 'For No One'

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paulsbass said

Von Bontee said

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STILL I don't think many people are aware on how many songs Paul actually played guitar.

Paulsbass, what about this are you not getting? Mr. SKCT has found 36 tracks featuring Paul on guitar. Even being extremely conservative about it, we can be assured that there are at least 100 tracks with guitar contributions from both John and George. Numerically speaking, Paul's contribution was MINIMAL. Why you insist on interpreting the word as some kind of Paul-putdown and not as a neutral, verifiable fact is a mystery. If you wish to argue that EVERYTHING Paul played was better than what George or John played, fine. That he played much LESS than them is a fact you'll just have to deal with.

1) Sorry, he GUESSED the "best chance" was 25 songs with Paul on guitar. I found 37 songs featuring Paul. Who's not getting stuff here??!

2.) As about "minimal":

Why do I always have to repeat everything...

I gave an example of a "minimal" contribution: George on bass, or also Paul on drums, or Mal Evans on keyboards, or Ringo on harmonium...

Paul's contribution on the guitar is obviously MINOR to George considering the quantity. I said that several times. Who's not getting stuff here??

I'll admit, I'm not getting why you keep insisting you're not talking about "quantity", and yet at the same time you're saying things like "I don't think you realize how many songs Paul played guitar on!" and "It's 37 tracks! You guessed 25! And you're not counting co-leads!!" Make up your mind, dude!

But enough, I'm sick of this. How about we agree to find a different word than "minimal" or "minimize" or any of it's variants? (Even if that means we have to ban minime from the thread? :)

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*sigh* Just when I thought I was out...Dude, I get what you're saying, I missed the part where you explained what YOU meant by "minimal", which would've saved a lot of effort. I apologize for that; I was too fascinated by your bean-counting about whether Paul played on 25 tracks or 37 or 39 (and wondering about what difference it ultimately would've made).

As I already said, enough of this.

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Pretty sure we would've found something else to argue about... :)

(Oh, and I'm not "confused" about the numbers btw - more like too bored/lazy to look 'em up)

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22 August 2012
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My only contribution to the thread because i cant be bothered arguing over how many songs x played on and the meaning attached to certain words.

 

From my recollection George was invited in after playing Raunchy on top of a bus one night after encouragement from Paul. John liked what he heard and invited George to join despite his age, John being hesitant because of the couple of years between them both and George looking even younger still. Presumably George must have been quite good therefore, he certainly must have been better than the other musicians in the Quarry Men as that was the dilemma John faced over whether Paul should join.

I think George had been hanging about for a while beforehand as well.

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paulsbass said

And the actual number is 60 percent higher than Mr. SunKings "best case scenario"

How is 40 60 percent higher then 30? It's 25 percent higher.

Hey, if everybody had read my postings carefully we could have saved a lot of posts...

Or if you didn't view everything I say as a slight against Paul. I love Paul McCartney - I've seen him live twice, I own all but 3 of his solo albums, and I'll buy all his remastered albums as they come out. But dude - I had just woken up when i came up with my best case of 30. I will admit it was low - because i have been so busy all day, I didn't have time then to count. I do not have the energy to continue this - so please let this die. Please.

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"I'll admit, I'm not getting why you keep insisting you're not talking about "quantity", and yet at the same time you're saying things like "I don't think you realize how many songs Paul played guitar on!" and "It's 37 tracks! You guessed 25! And you're not counting co-leads!!" Make up your mind, dude!

But enough, I'm sick of this. How about we agree to find a different word than "minimal" or "minimize" or any of it's variants? (Even if that means we have to ban minime from the thread? :)"

How cruela-hard-days-night-paul-10 Now I feel even smaller

Anyway, I have to agree with Pauls(guitar)bass this time; minimum means something of very little consequence, or the amount of something that can't possible get any smaller. Surely if Paul plays guitar on 10% of the songs or so, some of which are one of the most famous Beatles songs, his worl can't be considered as "insignificant" or "small"? Although it might be that we are arguing about the matter simply because we have different standards of what is minimum and what is er... maximum? a-hard-days-night-john-7Is George's contribution to the Beatles "maximum", meaning that if he had played guitar even on a one record more, the Beatles would have fallen apart? Just semiotic? playing , forgive me

And I can't really make up my mind between Paul and George; I used to automatically assume that all the cool riffs and complicated guitar playing on the records are George's, because, well, he's the lead guitarist. My obliviousness even went so far as to refuse to believe that Blackbird could have been played by Paul, "It's too intricate! It's too beautiful!" Makes me ashamed even now.

One thing I know for sure is that John would have voted himself in this thread, so if he does get one vote, who knows...

ps. I'm sorry, I don't know how to quote accurately without quoting the whole damn page

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minime said

ps. I'm sorry, I don't know how to quote accurately without quoting the whole damn page

Click on the quote button and the whole post will appear then delete what you dont want/need, ensuring its all been captured in the highlighted quotation mark (if its yellow it will appear as a quote). Alternatively if you dont want to delete you can embolden the relevent section. If not select the appropriate text and press the quotation mark in the toolbar, the text should become narrower in width as a sign its been done. Hopefully that makes sense and is easy to follow.

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Hi minime! Just having a bit of fun with your name up there, thazall...no need to feel (two foot) small

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Oh, and perhaps minimal might have came off wrong - maybe limited would have been better. The definition I was working off of was not the one Paulsbass uses earlier up thread. The better choice of word would have been limited. Which I hope we can agree well describes Paul's guitar playing quantity.

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Except my original point was that "I can't see how someone could vote for Paul because of his lack of quantity". I don't think 40 songs (except in extraordinary circumstances) can beat, the 150 (or so) George guitar songs. That's all I meant.

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Wow, this thread heated up there for a while...

I don't think ANY of the three was the best. Each one was just different, and I love the way each approached the guitar.
Highlights for me for Lennon as a soloist are You Can't Do That, Harrison on Till There Was You, and McCartney on Taxman (natch). Those solos all audibly define their players. Lennon's true love of pure roots Rock 'n Roll, Harrison's sense of melody - and the patience to work out a solo that was as much a melody as the vocals, and McCartney's experimental approach, especially his Beatles output. I can't imagine either of the other two playing the three solos I chose. Maybe you can.

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Interestingly John, Paul and George play the drums on at least 1 beatle track yet Ringo never plays guitar. a-hard-days-night-ringo-7 

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meanmistermustard said
Interestingly John, Paul and George play the drums on at least 1 beatle track yet Ringo never plays guitar. a-hard-days-night-ringo-7 

What track does George play the drums on?

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meanmistermustard said
Interestingly John, Paul and George play the drums on at least 1 beatle track yet Ringo never plays guitar. a-hard-days-night-ringo-7

What track does George play the drums on?

 

Back On The USSR. On that you get John, Paul and George - no Ringo. He was away doing a George Martin.

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meanmistermustard said

fabfouremily said

meanmistermustard said
Interestingly John, Paul and George play the drums on at least 1 beatle track yet Ringo never plays guitar. a-hard-days-night-ringo-7

What track does George play the drums on?

 

Back On The USSR. On that you get John, Paul and George - no Ringo. He was away doing a George Martin.

(cringe) I didn´t know George and John played on it too. Thanks for that!

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George Martin was quoted in a magazine several years ago answering this question -- I don't have the exact quote in front of me, but it went something like this:   "They were all good players -- Paul was probably as good as George, probably the best of the lot.  John wasn't as good as the others technically, but he was very good at coming up with imaginative sounds"

Saying which guitarist was the best is always tricky, because there are a lot of conflicting stories about who played what, especially in the later years.   But they all had great moments.

Paul told MOJO recently that all three were capable of playing lead -- and did.   But they each had distinct styles (as you can hear in the guitar showdown on "The End") and different roles within The Beatles... and each had very memorable guitar parts through the band's amazing career.

George's jangly 12-string guitar parts in songs like "A Hard Day's Night", "If I Needed Someone", and many other songs from the 1964-65 period, his accoustic guitar on "And I Love Her" and his beautiful lead lines on "Something" are standout moments.  His rasping guitar on "Hey Bulldog" is another one.

Paul, of course, played those great aggressive guitar solos in "Taxman" and "Good Morning Good Morning" -- and that note-bending solo in "Drive My Car" -- among many other great performances.

John's role was rhythm guitar for most of the band's career, and it was his chugging rhythm that propelled songs like "All My Loving" and "I Saw Her Standing There", and his urgent strumming gave "No Reply" its impact.  But he played some pretty good lead too, like the solos in "You Can't Do That" and "Get Back" -- and his fantastic riff in "I Feel Fine".  

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