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Who was the beatles best guitarist?
21 August 2012
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Who was the beatles best guitar player?

  • George Harrison(67% : 8 votes)
  • John Lennon(0% : 0 votes)
  • Paul McCartney(25% : 3 votes)
  • Ringo Starr(8% : 1 vote)
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21 August 2012
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Why the hell is this up for debate? If Paul was a better guitarist, why didn't he become a guitarist after they broke up? It's obviously George, cause he was THE LEAD GUITARIST

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
21 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said
Why the hell is this up for debate? If Paul was a better guitarist, why didn't he become a guitarist after they broke up? It's obviously George, cause he was THE LEAD GUITARIST

I was going to say the same but err… well, the point has been made.

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21 August 2012
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I actually think there's room for discussion.

Not that I disagree with George being the best (I have never given this question much thought), but Paul is close enough to warrant a discussion.

How do you define best? Fastest? Most inventive? etc…

George was probably faster and had better technique

But Paul wasn't the bassist as a result of not being able to play guitar. He was the bassist because no one else wanted to play bass.

Paul was a more versatile guitarist than George.

If you count Paul's guitar riffs vs George's, Paul wins ("Blackbird" anyone?), especially if you continue on to their solo years.

Didn't Paul play the lead on "Taxman"? 

John was no slouch either ("Day Tripper" "Across the Universe" "Revolution").

There's a mentality that goes along with being a lead guitarist, and George certainly had it – much more so than Paul or George.

So, yes, George probably wins – but there's certainly stuff to discuss.

(Sorry Ringo, I think you're out of the running altogether).

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21 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said

Why the hell is this up for debate? If Paul was a better guitarist, why didn't he become a guitarist after they broke up? It's obviously George, cause he was THE LEAD GUITARIST

Well, Paul didn't "become" a guitarist after the breakup because he already was one! As well as a bassist, etc. And "lead guitarist" isn't necessarily the best. Plus there's the matter of the "Taxman" solo, the flashiest bit of playing on a Beatles record, which George enlisted Paul to play. (And yeah, I know I just contradicted myself…)

Actually I'd say it probably was George who was better all around, even though he didn't realize his full potential until after the breakup, when he developed his slide technique. But I think it certainly IS up for debate!

(I see that ITSWD has already made many of the same points as me, and even arrived at the same conclusion!)

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21 August 2012
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I'm on the side of Paul being the better player.  He was a real multi-instrumentalist and seemed to have a more natural "feeling" for music.

And if you factor his guitar work in the very first years ('70-'73) of his solo career (which had a lot of material which originated with the Beatles), that wins it for me.

Sadly, I other than some work on 'All Things Must Pass', there isn't a whole lot of George's solo output that stands out, guitar-wise.  You'd at least expect some slight growth in skill behind with the fretboard, but I just don't hear it.

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21 August 2012
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Von Bontee said

mr. Sun king coming together said

Why the hell is this up for debate? If Paul was a better guitarist, why didn't he become a guitarist after they broke up? It's obviously George, cause he was THE LEAD GUITARIST

Well, Paul didn't "become" a guitarist after the breakup because he already was one!

I meant (and will willingly admit to making unclear) that why didn't Paul take the role of lead guitarist in his post Beatles endeavors.
As for the Taxman solo, it is one great solo. Even if you take Taxman, Good Morning, and any other songs he took lead on, I'll see them with Something, Michelle, Revolution, Back In The USSR, Let It Be, Here Comes The Sun, Not Guilty (Anthology 3), and others.

With what I have above, how can you say it was Paul? I'm not saying Paul wasn't a good guitarist, but George is better. I'd love someone to explain the argument for Paul, maybe I'll be convinced.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
21 August 2012
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Tough question with no real answer.

George did the lead stuff and had probably the most elaborate playing technique while Paul just had this natural gift and feeling.

George is widely acclaimed for his slide stuff, his woeful tone and the complex chord progressions in his songs.

I still think it's easy to agree that Paul is also a guitar hero and surely more versatile in his approach.

Paul has done most of the most smashing guitar solos (Taxman, Good morning) plus most of the really heavy guitar work (Helter Skelter, Sgt. Peppers, Ticket to ride).

AND he also has these insanely nice acoustic numbers: Yesterday, Blackbird, Mother nature's song, I will, Two of us…

He used all these talents in his solo career as well and added many great guitar parts. Just take "Flaming pie" – almost all the songs sound great and can be easily played on the acoustic guitar. That's true genius.

For the electric part check out the "House of wax" solo from "Memory almost full" – that's him as well!

 

John's rhythm work is pretty awesome as well.

It was great they all had their part to play.

If I had to vote, I'd probably pick Paul.

21 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said

Von Bontee said

mr. Sun king coming together said

Why the hell is this up for debate? If Paul was a better guitarist, why didn't he become a guitarist after they broke up? It's obviously George, cause he was THE LEAD GUITARIST

Well, Paul didn't "become" a guitarist after the breakup because he already was one!

I meant (and will willingly admit to making unclear) that why didn't Paul take the role of lead guitarist in his post Beatles endeavors.
As for the Taxman solo, it is one great solo. Even if you take Taxman, Good Morning, and any other songs he took lead on, I'll see them with Something, Michelle, Revolution, Back In The USSR, Let It Be, Here Comes The Sun, Not Guilty (Anthology 3), and others.

With what I have above, how can you say it was Paul? I'm not saying Paul wasn't a good guitarist, but George is better. I'd love someone to explain the argument for Paul, maybe I'll be convinced.

Back in the USSR is actually Paul playing guitar…

Michelle doesn't have much of a solo, neither has Here comes the sun.

Something is George's undisputable shining moment as a lead guitarist and he didn't accomplish anything as stunningly beautiful as that again, before or after. The Let it be solo(s) is/are also legendary, but not THAT special, imo. (the best take is from Wings at the Concert for the people of Kampuchea with the Rockestra line up, played by Laurence Juber)

Another favourite for me is Old brown shoe, that sounds really inspired, Savoy truffle as well, but a bit thin.

 

Being "just" the lead guitarist would never have been enough for Paul. That is someone who has a spotlight here and then.

He needed to be the central part of his music by playing bass or central rhythm guitar or piano.

And surely his technique was never THAT elaborate to compete with the true wizards.

So, when we make a difference between the "lead guitarist" who plays the flashy solo parts (which he COULD do, listen to "Maybe I'm amazed") or the guitarist who plays the most important part in the song he kind of WAS the "lead guitarist"!

21 August 2012
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Oh, we're allowed talking solo? Okay, how about All Things Must Pass? Or Wah Wah? Or Ball of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll)? Or Your Love is Forever? Or Behind That Locked Door? his work on How Do You Sleep? Or maybe you prefer his work on Gimme Some Truth?
Oh, and what about And I Love Her? Or Run For Your Life?

Edit: What? Back In The USSR is Paul? Oh. Well, I guess I just hurt my point. Also, I just want to say I'm not dissing Paul. He did some great solos and lead work generally (I was hoping nobody would mention Maybe I'm Amazed, Brilliant work). I just don't see Paul's less extensive work with a guitar worthy of calling him better then George.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
21 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said
Oh, we're allowed talking solo? Okay, how about All Things Must Pass? Or Wah Wah? Or Ball of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll)? Or Your Love is Forever? Or Behind That Locked Door? his work on How Do You Sleep? Or maybe you prefer his work on Gimme Some Truth?
Oh, and what about And I Love Her? Or Run For Your Life?

Well, you asked for his solo career.

All the George songs fit in my description of having interesting chords and some inspired slide work. No excactly guitar hero stuff, though.

And I love her and Til there was you are very nice acoustic solos.

No one says George couldn't play.

He was technically better and cleaner in his sound than Paul.

But Paul was more versatile and natural.

21 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said

Von Bontee said

mr. Sun king coming together said

Why the hell is this up for debate? If Paul was a better guitarist, why didn't he become a guitarist after they broke up? It's obviously George, cause he was THE LEAD GUITARIST

Well, Paul didn't "become" a guitarist after the breakup because he already was one!

I meant (and will willingly admit to making unclear) that why didn't Paul take the role of lead guitarist in his post Beatles endeavors.

He did. He plays all the lead guitar on Band on the Run, and McCartney/McCartney II, and probably a good deal of it on numerous other albums.

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21 August 2012
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paulsbass said 

But Paul was more versatile and natural.

Okay, so he was more natural – that doesn't equal better. Nor does being more versatile. All being more versatile means is you can play 3 styles instead of two (not actually the case – I'm not being exact). How can you compare Paul's minimal (in quantity) playing with George's masses? So George doesn't have many absolutely fantastic performances. He was consistent. Something Paul never had to be. That has to count for something.

Anyways, I'm made my case. If I've failed to convince you, well, I gave it all I've got.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
21 August 2012
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I tgink mr. Sun King mainly meant that paul was not the (main) lead guitarist of wings. Also I think denny laine played some lead guitar on band on the run

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21 August 2012
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How proficient was George at playing fingerpicked acoustic stuff similar to "Yesterday" or "Her Majesty"? I can't think of too many acoustic George examples offhand.

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21 August 2012
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It is really hard to "prove" as they all played multi instruments. George was probably best but Paul was very good guitar player, as well John. Even though Beatles were best songwriters of our time, they were not best guitar players, I doubt George can really be compared to Eric Clapton or Jimi Hendrix.

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22 August 2012
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Von Bontee said
How proficient was George at playing fingerpicked acoustic stuff similar to "Yesterday" or "Her Majesty"? I can't think of too many acoustic George examples offhand.

Best example I can think of would be Anthology 3 version of while My Guitar Gently Weeps

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
22 August 2012
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Referring back to the original question of "Who was The Beatles' best guitarist?":

Umm--George…! ahdn_george_06

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22 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said

Okay, so he was more natural – that doesn't equal better. Nor does being more versatile. All being more versatile means is you can play 3 styles instead of two (not actually the case – I'm not being exact). How can you compare Paul's minimal (in quantity) playing with George's masses? So George doesn't have many absolutely fantastic performances. He was consistent. Something Paul never had to be. That has to count for something.

Anyways, I'm made my case. If I've failed to convince you, well, I gave it all I've got.

How can you call Paul's guitar output in the Beatles "minimal"?

Sure, in the early days they mostly played "their" instrument, at least on the records. He would always compose his songs mostly on guitar, so there would always be some kind of guitar "output"

But later Paul would do more and more guitar parts as well:

She's a woman, Yesterday, the fabulous Michelle, Drive my car, I'll follow the sun, I've just seen a face, Ticket to ride, Sgt. Peppers, Taxman, Here there and everywhere, MASSES on the White Album…

Sure, George plays guitar on almost every Beatles track, because he was "THE" guitarist. That doesn't mean he had to be better. Later Paul didn't even bother to play the bass because he was more into the piano. He was just a multi instrument player, and excellent on each of them.

His bass playing was the only really outstanding achievement on an instrument in the Beatles – there were lots of more impressive guitarists, drummers and keyboard players out there.

So none of them was totally amazing on guitar during that time. But they were all really good.

Paul's work impresses me the most, overall.

Shall I mention again I still think George was great as well?

22 August 2012
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How can you call Paul's guitar output in the Beatles "minimal"?

He said "minimal in QUANTITY", which is inarguable.

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