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Who came closest to being "The Next Beatles?"
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

Edit: Something more say.

The Clash were a better band than the Sex Pistols, but culturally none of their albums had the impact of Never Mind The Bollocks.

Bull. Never Mind The Bullocks had a well-worn thread: Fuck the monarchy. Really original. Look, Bollocks, as much as the album may be great, is the Sex Pistols only real album. Body of work is important.

Yet despite the Sex Pistol's smaller, inferior body of work (one disk of songs to the Clash's eight), they're generally spoken of ahead of the Clash, at least in this country. That doesn't make sense unless they somehow had a big impact due to being in the right place at the right time. It's exactly the same as Sgt. Pepper being considered a superior album to Rubber Soul, Revolver and Abbey Road- it was just massive culturally, which the other albums weren't.

For what it's worth, "fuck the monarchy" was a pretty bold thing to say in 1977, certainly on a record.

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mr. Sun king coming together said:

GniknuS said:

I can't say that I agree about Nirvana, Nevermind made an impact, but ultimately you're left with what ended up happening. At the end of the day, Cobain still killed himself which surely made more of a cultural impact than anything he ever said or wrote. Looking at teenage suicide rates going up and up, I'd say their ultimate legacy is more of a negative than positive one. I'm not saying he's solely responsible for the increasing rates, but certainly he can't be discounted.

Bullshit if I ever saw any. A teen who is having depression isn't going to say, "Oh, Kurt Cobain killed himself, maybe I should." Show me a fact that suicide rates in the US spiked in 1994/5.

Come on man, that wasn't my point at all. The point of this whole thread is lasting legacy, right, the "next Beatles" and the Beatles left behind many things and will be remembered for many things. Nirvana will always be more known in mass society for Cobain's suicide than any song they ever came out with, so how could their effect on society ultimately be a positive one? Teen suicide rates have increased since then, that just is what it is, I'm not saying that kids use Cobain as a model, but it is what it is and I definitely wouldn't call it complete bullshit to draw a line from a to b, even though all I said was his suicide can't be discounted as a factor in the increasing rates. It's like saying that video games that promote violence don't cause young kids to be more violent themselves, it's certainly not the only factor, but it's effect can't be discounted. I'm not going to keep arguing because it could go on and on, but please don't misinterpret what I'm saying.

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Boy this place is really a lot of fun these days…as long as we all share the same opinion right? 

http://www.suicide.org/suicide......html#2001

As you can see, there is a slight increase in the year 1994 for the age group 15-24, it's not a very big jump, but still that year has the highest rate of any year from 1990-2001.  No, I don't believe Cobain is solely responsible for that slight jump, but why would this thread not be about a positive impact? You want the next Beatles to have a negative impact on society?

I really don't understand why most of your posts get so defensive when someone doesn't agree with you, you really might need to relax a little bit. As for now, I'm out of here. I leave you with this song, just close your eyes. Peace to the Middle East. apple01heart

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26 September 2011
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And when did I say I was the elder statesman? (And don't forget, the Top Poster list is off because Mods, who have many more posts then second place, can't be included). And just to be fair, I did say closest. Because yes, no one did come that close to being the next Beatles. Something always happened. (And Paulsbass, in the future, I'd rather you lecture me in private rather then publicly berate me.)

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The problem i have with Nirvana is they only had 3 studio albums so they have nowhere near the cannon of music required to be hailed 'the next beatles', even if Nevermind is consistantly rated as one of the best albums ever. There has to be a greater amount of work produced to qualify.

So maybe U2 as they do have the cannon, have reinvented their sound a number of times, have written tracks and compiled albums that are considered to be classics, and have been around for so long and continue to sell out stadiums on a major level. But they dont really have the social impact. And not many people would be able to name all 4 members.

 

Recently saw a newspaper cutting of a public poll the sun compiled, i think in 1999 but possibly earlier (it was kind of like a world cup where 2 artists were put up against each other, the public votes, and the winner moves into the next round). Anyway the final was between The Spice Girls (i dont know when they split or when everyone got bored of their zany girl power anticsso it could be before 1999) and The Beatles. Needless to say The Beatles won with 68% of the vote. If anyone seriously suggested The Spice Girls nowadays as the main contender they would be laughed at.

Over time bands come and go. The Beatles are the yardstick and will continue to remain so for the next 50 years. No one has yet come close to laying a breath on their legacy. They still sit comfortably on the throne.  Just think of the barrage of celebrations in the media over the next few years with the 50th anniversary of their first single & album, first us concert, the release of pepper/revolver/Rubber Soul/Abbey Road. You will need a helmet and fallout shelter.

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mr. Sun king coming together said:

You really think you know more about MY thread then I do? Get real. You said his effect on teen suicide rates shouldn't be dismissed, and yet no proof is being submitted, so you are drawing a line (that has no basis in reality) from A to B. Cobain might be remembered for his suicide, but Nirvana as a whole, no. Smells Like Teen Spirit is a ridiculously important record in music history, and that is undeniable. But what isn't so iron-clad is that the first thing that pops into a person's mind about Nirvana is Cobain's suicide. There will be people, I don't deny that. But ask the same of the Beatles, and a similar amount of people will say, "Oh, them? They're druggies." So frankly, I feel completely within my rights to say what I have said. You can not continue this - I really don't want a fight without facts anyhow. And anyways, you still haven't made any plausible link between the rate increase of suicide of teens and Cobain - I'd love to see one, but until then, maybe quiet's best. (And by the by, I never said a bands' influence must be positive. I know of what I speak.)
Edit: Thanks Von!

OT. Just came to my mind that if somebody had asked me five years ago what the Beatles were, I would have answered, "You mean the hippies with the ugly flower shirts?" a-hard-days-night-john-6 But anyway, suicide isn't what first comes to my mind when I think of Nirvana. And Beatles still stands as the only Band whose members I can all recall. I know, pathetic.

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I was listening to The Dark Side of The Moon & The Wall and I noticed that Pink Floyd & The Beatles were:

  • Both were popular (according to me mom (DON'T Look At Me));
  • Had songs very different to each other (Let There Be More Light to On The Run, Revolution 9 to Twist And Shout);
  • And were influential (there are as much (I think) tribute bands to both Floyd and Beatles)

Just sayin'

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.... and speaking of Pink Floyd/Beatles, Macca did an album with David Gilmour (Run Devil Run).

In the late '60s if you wanted to be really cool and show that you were really deep into the music scene, you'd throw out the name Pink Floyd and their double album Ummagumma (spelling?). Then, of course, with Dark Side of the Moon they became mainstream - big time!!!

Is it still the best-selling album of all time? (or does the Best of the Eagles have that honor - for a while it went back and forth,but I've lost track).

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