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Who came closest to being "The Next Beatles?"
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18 September 2011
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I don't think the "second British Invasion" was nearly as big as the first one. For one thing, the Ramones were the best punk act around in 1977 (they'd just released Rocket to Russia), are they were hardly destroyed by the emergence of The Clash. The Sex Pistols released Never Mind The Bollocks that year too. They were a very good band, but ultimately I don't think they were as influential as the Ramones or even the Sex Pistols, though more talented and ambitious than either.

I have a couple of suggestions. Firstly, Oasis. Yes, seriously. They're probably one of the most popular bands around, they've sold buckets of albums, they were the most influential British band of the 90s (big case for saying they were more influential than Nirvana and The Pixies too, most modern rock bands sound more like Oasis than Nirvana), and they showed that bands signed to independent record labels could make it really big. People are full of praise for Beady Eye despite them being average because they associate them with Oasis, and Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds is probably the most anticipated album around at the moment. Noel Gallagher is an excellent songwriter, his brother is an excellent singer, and the various line-ups of the band were generally accomplished musicians.

Secondly, R.E.M. Don't laugh. On talent, they're very much a third tier band (no disrespect to them- the first tier is essentially just the Beatles), despite some gems and one fantastic album (Green). However, they were the pioneers of alternative rock. Essentially, all bands today can trace themselves back to R.E.M. Very few bands are signed to major record labels these days, and most bands today have to work for a long time to get much mainstream recognition, aside from the odd hit here or there. In other words, all rock today is alternative rock.

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I'd say the answer is Michael Jackson and I don't think anyone is even close. Talent is off the charts, his music will be around forever and looking at our music world today being dominated by pop, certainly the "king of pop" had something to do with that.
Put all of his personal issues aside, what did or did not happen there is up for debate, but a number of his songs were attempts at positive messages. How much people were impacted is unknown, but my own personal mindset is 'they don't really care about us' so who knows. It's not really because of that song, but still the message appears to be on point.
Another possibility would be Run DMC or Public Enemy, but there is clearly an opportunity for an artist to bring about positive changes to the mindset of those living in inner cities in the United States, as that area would seem to be the white elephant in terms of an important part of society in need of cultural changes. So hopefully someone will come along and change things, I'd nominate the band Ratatat as their music spans genres as they combine electronic hip hop style beats with unbelievably beautiful melodies on guitar and synth. But seeing as their music is entirely instrumental, it's completely up for interpretation, but maybe an abstract approach is what's needed, rather than someone just telling others what to think. Fight the Power isn't a responsible message to send, in my opinion, because you can't fight fire with fire, or anger for that matter.
So I believe our generations Beatles is yet to come.

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What impact did Nirvana (outside of flanels) and the Clash have on society Sun King? Not trying to argue your point, just curious.
Any band that's been around a while, Phish, Dave Matthews, etc, has had a decent impact on their sect of listeners. My sister is a huge DMB fan, I've never understood what the fuss was all about, and she's a certain way partly because of them...and pot.

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I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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I didn't say thata-hard-days-night-ringo-14. I said that there was a general sense of concern, a feeling the Clash spoke to. But, you need not take the word a Canadian here. Take this, from Uncut magazine:

The Guns of Brixton pre-dates the race riots that took place in the 1980s in Brixton but the lyrics depict the feelings of discontent that were building due to heavy-handedness of the police that led to the riots, the recession and other problems at that time.

Your move.

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The Clash were a better band than the Sex Pistols, but culturally none of their albums had the impact of Never Mind The Bollocks.

Bull. Never Mind The Bullocks had a well-worn thread: Fuck the monarchy. Really original. Look, Bollocks, as much as the album may be great, is the Sex Pistols only real album. Body of work is important.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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mr. Sun king coming together said:

(Well, technically, anything short of agreeing with me is arguing, Gnik)
 Nirvana - Similar. The people of that generation were told "stay in school, study and you'll get a job." Well, where were the jobs? Nowhere. And when Nevermind rolled about in 1991, they spoke of the pissed off attitude of that generation, basically saying "Fuck You, Reagen". And then things changed. And lots of that can go to Nirvana (and others, Pearl Jam or Stone Temple Pilots, etc.) but lots go to them.

I didn't realize that curiosity meant a disagreement...but on to my disagreement. I can't say that I agree about Nirvana, Nevermind made an impact, but ultimately you're left with what ended up happening. At the end of the day, Cobain still killed himself which surely made more of a cultural impact than anything he ever said or wrote. Looking at teenage suicide rates going up and up, I'd say their ultimate legacy is more of a negative than positive one. I'm not saying he's solely responsible for the increasing rates, but certainly he can't be discounted.

I think it's interesting that all of these come with circumstances, even the Beatles came with negative aspects in terms of their impact. Like when George talked about visiting San Francisco in '67 and how there were just a bunch of horrible drop out kids on acid. So it's difficult to say any band had a completely or even mostly positive effect on society because there are always drawbacks, like thousands upon thousands of drug addicted kids who drop acid without knowing the risks and end up severely damaging themselves psychologically.

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