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6.11pm
1 May 2010
OfflineDoctorRobert said:
Paul's voice is all very fine and dandy, but lacks the pure emotion of John's brutal enslaught of a voice. Listen to I'm So Tired or pretty much the whole of John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band to see what I mean.
Paul's voice style might be fine and dandy, but it doesn't mean he can't be emotional and brutal.

This song is my Paul's Something. So brutal, so honest, that I can't stand it.
7.16pm
12 March 2010
Offlinemithveaen said:
This song is my Paul's Something. So brutal, so honest, that I can't stand it.
While Hey Jude imo is Paul's best Beatles performance, I always pick "Maybe I'm amazed" as his best overall performance. Just amazing.
And the excact OPPOSITE of "fine and dandy" vocals.
What about "Why don't we do it on the road", "Monkberry moon delight", "I've got a feeling", "Nod your head" etc. etc. etc.? Fine and dandy??
I guess not.
7.42pm
1 May 2010
OfflineI'm going to say something, it might be stupid.
I understand Dr. Robert's opinion about Paul. Maybe he was more "dandy" and John was more "brutal" to make the songs more different and give them their unique touch. Don't you think guys??
7.52pm
12 March 2010
Offlinemithveaen said:
I'm going to say something, it might be stupid.
I understand Dr. Robert's opinion about Paul. Maybe he was more "dandy" and John was more "brutal" to make the songs more different and give them their unique touch. Don't you think guys??
I absolutely agree that Paul COULD be "dandy" if he wanted to.
I can't imagine John doing "Your mother should know", "Honey pie" or "When I'm 64".
I just don't like it when he's reduced to that.
8.07pm
1 May 2010
Offlinepaulsbass said:
mithveaen said:
I'm going to say something, it might be stupid.
I understand Dr. Robert's opinion about Paul. Maybe he was more "dandy" and John was more "brutal" to make the songs more different and give them their unique touch. Don't you think guys??
I absolutely agree that Paul COULD be "dandy" if he wanted to.
I can't imagine John doing "Your mother should know", "Honey pie" or "When I'm 64".
I just don't like it when he's reduced to that.
Well, John can't be just reduce to all brutal emotion. (Just like) Starting over is a good example that he could be dandy too. I always picture him with a tux dancing like in "Your Mother should know"
Ok, maybe Just like Starting Over is not dandy.. but how about Beautiful Boy?? He's quite sweet in that one. 
8.40pm
12 March 2010
Offlinemithveaen said:
Well, John can't be just reduce to all brutal emotion. (Just like) Starting over is a good example that he could be dandy too. I always picture him with a tux dancing like in "Your Mother should know"
Ok, maybe Just like Starting Over is not dandy.. but how about Beautiful Boy?? He's quite sweet in that one.
Agreed that John was quite versatile, too. Just think of "Across the universe" or "Strawberry fields" or "A day in the life". Very deep, emotional vocals, nothing brutal there – especially when compared to "Helter Skelter".
And Beautiful boy is just heart-breakingly sweet.
9.00pm
1 May 2010
OfflineI've got a question.
Which range of voice do John and Paul have? I mean they are baritons, bass, tenors.. etc…
(I know they're not tenors, I'm just asking)
10.43pm
1 December 2009
OfflineHm. Well, first of all, there's nary a moment of Beatle vocalizing in the whole catalog that I don't enjoy thoroughly. But George and Ringo clearly had limitations – Ringo was restricted to a kind of goofy lovable charm; and George didn't have the ability to really belt out the raucous rock 'n rollers. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, and anyways he was never really asked to do so.) So it comes down to John and Paul; and really, I don't think any band ever had a finer two singers. But I gotta go with John as my ultimate favourite, for the unfair reason that Paul was so virtuosic, so able to switch effortlessly between the Little Richard screamers and the "Honey Pie" cutesiness, that it suggested that he was a mere mimic. When Paul sang "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?", especially, he sounded to me like he was trying to sound black, rather than finding his own white-soul voice. Unfairly or not, that's the impression I got sometimes.
Oh, and since this is the Beatles we're talking about here, it should go without saying that their ability to sing in harmony exponentially increased my enjoyment levels – in other words, the sum of John & Paul singing together was more than twice as good as either of them individually. And obviously the addition of George increased that even further.
10.48pm
4 April 2010
Offlinevonbontee said:
Hm. Well, first of all, there's nary a moment of Beatle vocalizing in the whole catalog that I don't enjoy thoroughly. But George and Ringo clearly had limitations – Ringo was restricted to a kind of goofy lovable charm; and George didn't have the ability to really belt out the raucous rock 'n rollers. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, and anyways he was never really asked to do so.)
I wouldn't really say that he didn't have the ability, he just didn't use it. There's some rock vocal in the first take of Something, and Old Brown Shoe.
11.47pm
8 August 2010
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1 May 2010
Offlinepaulsbass said:
I forgot to mention John best Beatle performance (imo).
That would be "Happiness is a warm gun". It's all there.
That's a pretty good one, I've always enjoyed John's really honest songs though, right now I'm a Loser would have to be my favorite of his. I think that's why I've always liked John's voice a little bit more than Paul's, there's just more honesty in his voice and I'm more aware of the emotions he felt while singing or writing whatever song. I agree with vonbontee about Why Don't We Do It In The Road, it sort of seems like he's trying to be someone else, but he still sounds fantastic.
If you count solo stuff George would be my favorite, but Beatlewise John just had so many different styles that it would be almost impossible for him not to have my favorite voice of the four.
8.01pm
4 September 2010
OfflineYeah, I admit Paul's voice can be brutal (oh darling springs to mind) but it lacks the honest emotion John shows. It all seems a bit plastic soul (or should that be rubber soul).
8.32pm
12 March 2010
OfflineDoctorRobert said:
Yeah, I admit Paul's voice can be brutal (oh darling springs to mind) but it lacks the honest emotion John shows. It all seems a bit plastic soul (or should that be rubber soul).
First: I LOVE your avatar! I could watch it for hours! Ok, after a few minutes you get a little dizzy…
I think Paul just never was as insecure and depressed and desperate as John. He's always been the ground-solid, controlled one and would never had let himself go down as John did.
He was always the happy and nice one, and while many critisize him for that, calling him dishonest or fake or false, I do like that attitude much better than any of this "everything sucks and goes to hell anyway, so f&%$ you…" attitude people like Kurt Cobain and also sometimes John showed.
People generally seem to think of depressed, "emotional" people as being cooler than happy people who are confident of themselves.
I don't agree to that. For me that's just weak, I don't like too much of that.
Paul could still do very emotional songs, but more in a distant, observing way (Eleanor Rigby, For no one). Personally I hear lots of emotion in "Hey Jude" or "Maybe I'm amazed".
"Oh darling" on the other hand would be an example of fake-emotions. He just did that one to scream, without real feeling. John would have done it better (just listen to that awful "Anthology" version where John is just fooling around and still sounds much better than Paul who just doesn't know yet how to master that song).
So while I acknowledge the fact that Paul almost never really opened up his inner soul I'm totally ok with that. I like his attitude and his vocal diversity which is unparalleled, imo.
10.35pm
1 May 2010
Offlinepaulsbass said:
DoctorRobert said:
Yeah, I admit Paul's voice can be brutal (oh darling springs to mind) but it lacks the honest emotion John shows. It all seems a bit plastic soul (or should that be rubber soul).
First: I LOVE your avatar! I could watch it for hours! Ok, after a few minutes you get a little dizzy…
I think Paul just never was as insecure and depressed and desperate as John. He's always been the ground-solid, controlled one and would never had let himself go down as John did.
He was always the happy and nice one, and while many critisize him for that, calling him dishonest or fake or false, I do like that attitude much better than any of this "everything sucks and goes to hell anyway, so f&%$ you…" attitude people like Kurt Cobain and also sometimes John showed.
People generally seem to think of depressed, "emotional" people as being cooler than happy people who are confident of themselves.
I don't agree to that. For me that's just weak, I don't like too much of that.
Paul could still do very emotional songs, but more in a distant, observing way (Eleanor Rigby, For no one). Personally I hear lots of emotion in "Hey Jude" or "Maybe I'm amazed".
"Oh darling" on the other hand would be an example of fake-emotions. He just did that one to scream, without real feeling. John would have done it better (just listen to that awful "Anthology" version where John is just fooling around and still sounds much better than Paul who just doesn't know yet how to master that song).
So while I acknowledge the fact that Paul almost never really opened up his inner soul I'm totally ok with that. I like his attitude and his vocal diversity which is unparalleled, imo.
Hmm, I think they both did a decent amount of "fake emotions" type songs, hell with the amount of songs both did in the course of 7 years it would be impossible for them not to do a few fake ones. The difference between John and Paul, to me, is 1st person versus 3rd person, it's fiction versus non-fiction. They both have their charms, but different people just like different things.
I don't think John was always a depressed "emotional" person, but he was willing to let that aspect of his personality into his songwriting, whereas Paul really didn't and I really respect John for that. Despite his fame and fortune, he was still able to look at himself introspectively and tell the world what he thought of himself. Paul liked to mask his emotions behind characters or metaphors and there's nothing wrong with that, but I've always found it a bit harder to relate to.
1.12am
13 November 2009
OfflineHow many distinct voices would you say Paul has? I'm thinking about five: regular, Little Richard, romantic, silly, and emotional*, especially with the last two albums. I bet there are more, but I can't think of any.
*Which, when I'm thinking about it, makes those songs harder to listen to, because things had to have been pretty bad for him to show it.
5.32am
1 May 2010
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