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When did the Beatles' quarrel start?
23 August 2010
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Marcelo
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Yesterday (all my troubles seemed so far away… no! sorry…) I was reading the article about the song "You know my name (look up the number)" http://www.beatlesbible.com/so…..he-number/ and Nick Webb said there:

 

John and Paul weren't always getting on that well at this time, but for

that song they went onto the studio floor and sang together around one

microphone

 

So I wonder: When did the Beatles' quarrel start? it was after "Sgt. Pepper's…" production? or it was provoked  by the shock of Brian Epstein's death?

I'd like to say "thank you" on behalf of the group and ourselves and I hope we passed the audition. John Lennon
23 August 2010
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Marcelo said:

Yesterday (all my troubles seemed so far away… no! sorry…) I was reading the article about the song "You know my name (look up the number)" http://www.beatlesbible.com/so…..he-number/ and Nick Webb said there:

 

John and Paul weren't always getting on that well at this time, but for

that song they went onto the studio floor and sang together around one

microphone

 

So I wonder: When did the Beatles' quarrel start? it was after "Sgt. Pepper's…" production? or it was provoked  by the shock of Brian Epstein's death?


George said that immediately after Revolver the band went in a furious feud. YouTube's not working for me, but look up "George making of Sgt Pepper".
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MrBig said:

Marcelo said:

Yesterday (all my troubles seemed so far away… no! sorry…) I was reading the article about the song "You know my name (look up the number)" http://www.beatlesbible.com/so…..he-number/ and Nick Webb said there:

 

John and Paul weren't always getting on that well at this time, but for

that song they went onto the studio floor and sang together around one

microphone

 

So I wonder: When did the Beatles' quarrel start? it was after "Sgt. Pepper's…" production? or it was provoked  by the shock of Brian Epstein's death?


George said that immediately after Revolver the band went in a furious feud. YouTube's not working for me, but look up "George making of Sgt Pepper".

 


You mean this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..2J0W4sGA 
 

I don't see where he says anything about a "furious feud" but oh well, another one bites the dust.

The Beatles were a band that always quarreled, just look up who did and did not play on She Said She Said, but they were always able to put their arguing aside for the good of the band. So the question is, when did their quarrels overtake their desire to make music together? To me it's a pretty complicated answer but it all comes back to Lennon/McCartney. Up until about MMT they were on the same sort of path musically, they both experimented and did the whole psychedelic thing, but India is really when the tension began. John was disillusioned by his spiritual quest and became quite angry after this. Plus he became addicted to heroin and Yoko, so those tensions were thrown upon all of the other tensions that existed after Brian's death. Paul tried to take over and assert more control over the group and the other three didn't particularly appreciate it. The White Album is when they officially split up as a group, they became three separate musicians and a drummer.

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24 August 2010
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GniknuS said:

MrBig said:

Marcelo said:

Yesterday (all my troubles seemed so far away… no! sorry…) I was reading the article about the song "You know my name (look up the number)" http://www.beatlesbible.com/so…..he-number/ and Nick Webb said there:

 

John and Paul weren't always getting on that well at this time, but for

that song they went onto the studio floor and sang together around one

microphone

 

So I wonder: When did the Beatles' quarrel start? it was after "Sgt. Pepper's…" production? or it was provoked  by the shock of Brian Epstein's death?


George said that immediately after Revolver the band went in a furious feud. YouTube's not working for me, but look up "George making of Sgt Pepper".
 

You mean this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..2J0W4sGA 

 

I don't see where he says anything about a "furious feud" but oh well, another one bites the dust.

The Beatles were a band that always quarreled, just look up who did and did not play on She Said She Said, but they were always able to put their arguing aside for the good of the band. So the question is, when did their quarrels overtake their desire to make music together? To me it's a pretty complicated answer but it all comes back to Lennon/McCartney. Up until about MMT they were on the same sort of path musically, they both experimented and did the whole psychedelic thing, but India is really when the tension began. John was disillusioned by his spiritual quest and became quite angry after this. Plus he became addicted to heroin and Yoko, so those tensions were thrown upon all of the other tensions that existed after Brian's death. Paul tried to take over and assert more control over the group and the other three didn't particularly appreciate it. The White Album is when they officially split up as a group, they became three separate musicians and a drummer.


Hmm. I could've sworn that George said "furious feud". But whatever. Anyways, it has occurred to me that religion should have no part in music. And this is coming from a religious man, I just think there are some places where religion shouldn't be. In this example; it's music.
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24 August 2010
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MrBig said:

Hmm. I could've sworn that George said "furious feud". But whatever. Anyways, it has occurred to me that religion should have no part in music. And this is coming from a religious man, I just think there are some places where religion shouldn't be. In this example; it's music.
 


And politics. And… 

I'm not sure if it was religion itself, but, when I read that John was "disillusioned" after India, I thought at first he was talking about the Maharishi. But then I thought that maybe GnikNus meant that John was disillusioned with the whole process of recording and coming to work. 

But then again, GnikNus also made the point that John was addicted to heroin and Yoko and was kind of "out of it." 

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.

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And politics. And… 
I'm not sure if it was religion itself, but, when I read that John was "disillusioned" after India, I thought at first he was talking about the Maharishi. But then I thought that maybe GnikNus meant that John was disillusioned with the whole process of recording and coming to work. 
But then again, GnikNus also made the point that John was addicted to heroin and Yoko and was kind of "out of it." 

The first one is what I meant, but the second one is a good point. It's pretty interesting to hear John and George talk about each other because there seems to be a good mutual respect between them after what they experienced together and how LSD brought them closer, but the reality is they were on almost completely opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of what happened in India. John thought it was a bunch of crap and left angrier than ever, but George was deeply moved by the experience.

As I understand it, the whole rumor about the Maharishi making sexual advances towards a girl was made up by John's friend Magic Alex, the same guy who tried to make the Beatles a great new studio and failed miserably. They got George to believe it and then left, but I think that experience moved John and George to complete opposite ends in their spiritual beliefs. So there had to be some thought that both had about each other's work that they didn't really want to record with each other. Look at George's songs after MMT, the only ones John plays on are For You Blue and It's All Too Much, but why would a guy who had the line "elementary penguin singing Hare Krishna" want to play on a track like Long, Long, Long or something like that? But George kept playing with John even into his solo career, and I've always wondered why. So maybe John was disillusioned with recording some of these songs by George and Paul that he just didn't care about anymore.

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24 August 2010
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GniknuS said:

MeanMrs.Mustard said:


And politics. And… 

I'm not sure if it was religion itself, but, when I read that John was "disillusioned" after India, I thought at first he was talking about the Maharishi. But then I thought that maybe GnikNus meant that John was disillusioned with the whole process of recording and coming to work. 

But then again, GnikNus also made the point that John was addicted to heroin and Yoko and was kind of "out of it."
 


The first one is what I meant, but the second one is a good point. It's pretty interesting to hear John and George talk about each other because there seems to be a good mutual respect between them after what they experienced together and how LSD brought them closer, but the reality is they were on almost completely opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of what happened in India. John thought it was a bunch of crap and left angrier than ever, but George was deeply moved by the experience.

As I understand it, the whole rumor about the Maharishi making sexual advances towards a girl was made up by John's friend Magic Alex, the same guy who tried to make the Beatles a great new studio and failed miserably. They got George to believe it and then left, but I think that experience moved John and George to complete opposite ends in their spiritual beliefs. So there had to be some thought that both had about each other's work that they didn't really want to record with each other. Look at George's songs after MMT, the only ones John plays on are For You Blue and It's All Too Much, but why would a guy who had the line "elementary penguin singing Hare Krishna" want to play on a track like Long, Long, Long or something like that? But George kept playing with John even into his solo career, and I've always wondered why. So maybe John was disillusioned with recording some of these songs by George and Paul that he just didn't care about anymore.


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24 August 2010
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That's interesting, right, but George was still friend of Eric Clapton after the last one stole the wife of the first one…

Do you agreewith me if I say that the main problem was John being a total asshole and Paul being too bossy?

 

GniknuS said:

The White Album is when they officially split up as a group, they became three separate musicians and a drummer.


That's harsh to say: drummers are musicians too…
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24 August 2010
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MrBig said:

 


John played Guitar and Piano on Something.

But both were wiped out.

 

Marcelo said:

That's interesting, right, but George was still friend of Eric Clapton after the last one stole the wife of the first one…

Do you agreewith me if I say that the main problem was John being a total asshole and Paul being too bossy?

 

GniknuS said:

The White Album is when they officially split up as a group, they became three separate musicians and a drummer.


That's harsh to say: drummers are musicians too…

Ok, they were three seperate songwriters and a drummer.

And I'd agree with those being the two main problems.

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26 August 2010
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Marcelo said:

That's interesting, right, but George was still friend of Eric Clapton after the last one stole the wife of the first one…

 


Well, George was very nice….

 

Not to say that stopped him from making horrid remarks about the others. 

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.

26 August 2010
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MeanMrs.Mustard said:

Marcelo said:

That's interesting, right, but George was still friend of Eric Clapton after the last one stole the wife of the first one…

 


Well, George was very nice….
 

Not to say that stopped him from making horrid remarks about the others. 


If I'm following you correctly, I understand that by "the others" you mean John and Paul. Ringo hadn't any quarrel with anyone else, am I right?
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26 August 2010
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Marcelo said:

That's interesting, right, but George was still friend of Eric Clapton after the last one stole the wife of the first one…


It wasn't all peace and love though. Have you heard George's cover of Bye Bye Love on Dark Horse?

 

Bye bye love

Bye bye happiness

Hello loneliness

I think I'm gonna cry

Bye bye love

Bye bye sweet caress

Hello emptiness

I know I'm gonna die

Goodbye my love bye bye

There goes our lady

With a "you know who"

I hope she's happy

And "old 'Clapper' too"

We had good rhythm

(and a little slide)

Then she stepped in

Did me a favour

I threw them both out.

(MMM) goodbye happiness

Hello loneliness

I think I'm gonna cry

Bye bye my love bye bye

(MMM) bye bye love (MMM)

It's gonna be a raining out of doors

(MMMM) hello happiness (MMM)

Goodbye my love goodbye

Now I'm into romance

I shy away from love

Got tired of ladies (ooh ooh)

That plot and shove me

And that's the reason

We all can (see) so clearly

They see that our lady

Is out on a 'spree'

Bye bye love

Bye bye happiness

Hello loneliness

Think I'm gonna cry

Bye bye love

Bye bye happiness

Hello emptiness

Please don't spoil my day; I'm miles away

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I knew he couldn't have been indifferent to it, but I never found evidence. (Didn't look to hard either… I need to pick up I Me Mine again.)

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Has anyone read the Rolling Stone article "Why The Beatles Broke Up" that came out about a year ago? Here's an excerpt, and it basically concludes that John's anxiety is why they broke up. There's even a line that says something like "the Beatles could not survive John Lennon" so it was a bit dramatic. I might agree with their conclusion if John actually wanted to keep the Beatles going, but I just don't really think he did.

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27 August 2010
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Joe said:

Marcelo said:

That's interesting, right, but George was still friend of Eric Clapton after the last one stole the wife of the first one…


It wasn't all peace and love though. Have you heard George's cover of Bye Bye Love on Dark Horse?

 


I'm not acquainted with the touch of the velvet hand… (no, not a again!)
 

I'm not acquainted with George's solo carreer. Thanks. In fact, I'm not acquainted with Paul's and Ringo neither…

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This is interesting. I wonder what those 9 lines were?

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skye said:

This is interesting. I wonder what those 9 lines were?


Great find, you've got to love John's honesty. I just can't stand the JohnandYoko thing though.
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GniknuS said:

skye said:

This is interesting. I wonder what those 9 lines were?


Great find, you've got to love John's honesty. I just can't stand the JohnandYoko thing though.
 

Well now it's easy to understand why the Beatles didn't stand that either.

 

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It does hit on most of the major sticking points. (They never seem to blame the drugs. Hmm.)  I'll see if I can find Paul's interview.

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GniknuS said:

skye said:

This is interesting. I wonder what those 9 lines were?


Great find, you've got to love John's honesty. I just can't stand the JohnandYoko thing though.
 

I hate it too. I know in my heart that John would commit suicide if he didn't have his yoko. Yoko didn't commit suicide, John probably thought she would.
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