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What should be released from the vaults?
28 December 2009
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Henry the Horse
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I may never see official EMI/Apple-approved releases of any of these in my lifetime, but I can wish and hope and dream.  (And yeah, I own nearly all of this stuff already, but it would be nice to see it all preserved, well-presented, and shared with the world.)

-The Hollywood Bowl concerts. In fact, a two or three disc set of "The Best of the Beatles Live" would be nice.

-"The Acoustic White Album" or "The Kinfauns Tapes" or whatever you want to call it.

-Best outtakes from the Let It Be/Get Back sessions (surely there's a disc's worth of decent material among the 90 recorded hours...maybe).

-The Christmas recordings.

I almost added the Decca Tapes, but they would have limited commercial potential, and they're not exactly the best showcase for the Young Fabs. (Why do they sound so crummy on the Deccas, yet so tight and together on the Tony Sheridan sides?)

Anything else?

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28 December 2009
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Listening to the Anthology trilogy, especially, One After 909, on Anthology 1, I wondered if maybe it would be worth mixing various recordings (As was done with One After 909) to create new, slightly alternative versions of the tracks we all know!

29 December 2009
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I suppose Carnival Of Light is a given? An acoustic White Album would be wonderful.

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29 December 2009
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Most bootleg collectors seem to want to hear the full 27-minute alternative version of Helter Skelter, along with Carnival Of Light.

When take 20 of Revolution 1 came out I think what surprised people the most was that such a recording existed, and how it had remained unheard for so long. The stuff that people want to hear is mostly the stuff we're aware of (Decca, Hollywood Bowl etc), but if the full vaults were suddenly opened up to all I'm sure there would be some absolutely astounding stuff that people have never even dreamed of.

I'd have really liked bonus discs with each of the remasters, containing studio outtakes or live versions. There are bootleg alternative Please Please Me, With The Beatles etc, but having official-alternative versions of each would be great.

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30 December 2009
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I love to hear the bloopers. There is a brilliant one for Hold Me Tight when Paul starts off by singing the wrong verse and he just shouts out "oh bloody hell". It doesn't sound as funny in print, but when you hear it you can't help but smile.

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30 December 2009
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Much as I loved the Anthology collections (partly because we'd had so many years of rumours and disappointments about the imminent release of new and rare material) I still feel pretty frustrated by them. They seem like an opportunity missed to some extent. There's an awful lot of stuff available on bootleg (in varying degrees of quality) which would have been more suitable and interesting to fans than some of what eventually appeared. Although that's just a personal opinion obviously. And that's without even mentioning something like "Carnival Of Light", which by now has attained almost mythical status among Beatles fans despite (or perhaps because of!) the fact that very few people have actually heard it.

Part of the problem appears to be that the release of anything needed the agreement of four people, with each one having the power of veto. I can imagine for instance that Paul may have been keen to include some version of "Carnival Of Light", with others being, er, not quite so keen! But I'm open to correction on that Smile

On a related note, but slightly off-topic, I've often heard Anthology compared unfavourably with Dylan's Bootleg Series, which is, to be fair, an incredible treasure trove of goodies. But to me the comparison itself is unfair, for the very reasons mentioned above. After all, Dylan didn't have anyone to veto his choices except himself! 

30 December 2009
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SugarPlumFairy said:

Much as I loved the Anthology collections (partly because we'd had so many years of rumours and disappointments about the imminent release of new and rare material) I still feel pretty frustrated by them. They seem like an opportunity missed to some extent. There's an awful lot of stuff available on bootleg (in varying degrees of quality) which would have been more suitable and interesting to fans than some of what eventually appeared. Although that's just a personal opinion obviously. And that's without even mentioning something like "Carnival Of Light", which by now has attained almost mythical status among Beatles fans despite (or perhaps because of!) the fact that very few people have actually heard it.

Part of the problem appears to be that the release of anything needed the agreement of four people, with each one having the power of veto. I can imagine for instance that Paul may have been keen to include some version of "Carnival Of Light", with others being, er, not quite so keen! But I'm open to correction on that Smile

On a related note, but slightly off-topic, I've often heard Anthology compared unfavourably with Dylan's Bootleg Series, which is, to be fair, an incredible treasure trove of goodies. But to me the comparison itself is unfair, for the very reasons mentioned above. After all, Dylan didn't have anyone to veto his choices except himself! 


The one very annoying thing about Anthology is the outtakes were still 'doctored' in places. Added reverb, two different versions spliced together etc 

And regarding Carnival Of Light: I've always been led to believe it is very avante garde thus a bit too much like Revolation no. 9 so maybe it is best left unheard!!

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George was the one who vetoed Carnival Of Light, apparently. He didn't think it was worthy of release. I read somewhere that it was replaced with the instrumental versions of Eleanor Rigby and Within You Without You as they found themselves short of suitable material, but that may be incorrect.

The editing of the Anthology songs was very annoying. I'm not sure why they did that - it was rarely to improve the recordings.

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30 December 2009
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Joe said:

George was the one who vetoed Carnival Of Light, apparently. He didn't think it was worthy of release. I read somewhere that it was replaced with the instrumental versions of Eleanor Rigby and Within You Without You as they found themselves short of suitable material, but that may be incorrect.

The editing of the Anthology songs was very annoying. I'm not sure why they did that - it was rarely to improve the recordings.


I suspect Carnival Of Light will be a huge letdown.  Banging on the pots and pans, amp feedback, etc.  But that doesen't mean I don't want to hear it!

The editing was annoying, as were the omissions.  It would have been nice to have "Child Of Nature" or even "Chi-Chi's" (John and Ringo goofing around a la "You Know My Name," for those who haven't heard it).

30 December 2009
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mjb said:I love to hear the bloopers. There is a brilliant one for Hold Me Tight when Paul starts off by singing the wrong verse and he just shouts out "oh bloody hell". It doesn't sound as funny in print, but when you hear it you can't help but smile.


Aw, I love those kind of bloopers. A lot of people find talking or whooping/improvising in songs annoying, but I actually find them insanely heartwarming. They're real and human, and have fun with their work. Ah, love it.

Is there a way you can direct me to a link to that outtake? I looked on Youtube, but being it's unreliable self, as per usual, they didn't have it. I'd really appreciate it!

On the topic of releasing things form the vault, I'm in the same state of mind as the rest of you- anything we haven't heard (or even fathomed for that matter) would be excellent to hear. Out-takes, various ways of singing the song, anything really. Just something else, somethings they've kept hidden.

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31 December 2009
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Is there a way you can direct me to a link to that outtake? I looked on Youtube, but being it's unreliable self, as per usual, they didn't have it. I'd really appreciate it!


Here you go young lady! It's Take 23:

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31 December 2009
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*cough* http://www.beatlesbible.com/20.....ion-1-mix/

I don't really do the bootleg thing normally, but I wanted to capture this before it disappeared from YouTube (which it did after a day, though it's probably back in some form now).

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I suspect Carnival Of Light will be a huge letdown.  Banging on the pots and pans, amp feedback, etc.  But that doesen't mean I don't want to hear it!


OTM! And the same goes for the half-hour "Helter Skelter" and those post-Pepper experimental jams, no matter how sloppy and pointless Mark Lewisohn proclaims them to be.  I guess I just have a fetish for all things "Beatles '67" (year I was born, coincidentally.) (And yeah, I know "Helter Skelter" was '68; didn't mean to imply otherwise, or that I thought otherwise.)

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There's so many beatles bloopers, outtakes, jams, that would take a lot of years to remaster them all, but still most of the people who are really beatlefans, want to hear this stuff, but not altered, like Anthology that they mashed-up takes, like Yes It Is, take 2 to take 14, instead that they could use the take 1 and take 2. The things i would love to hear are this (maybe there's even more i can't cover all but i'll put much as i can):

- Please Please Me Sessions. On Stereo. Including Hold Me Tight takes that we're recorded on this session. But i think these last we're destroyed.

- With The Beatles Sessions. On Stereo. There's a lot of songs that are some rarity, like the Piano-Drum Instrumental, the 29 takes of Hold Me Tight, Please Mister Postman takes, It Won't Be Long takes, From Me To You, Thank You Girl, This Boy, etc. Tapes for She Loves and I'll Get You we're destroyed also, so, no takes for this songs are avaliable, unfortunately :'(

- A Hard Day's Night. I'll Cry Instead ''missing'' third verse on most of the remasters, including 2009, the soundtrack for the film, the takes that we can hear on anthology briefly of Tell Me Why, there's a big discussion there, the I'll Be Back takes, etc.

- Beatles For Sale. Here's the Leave My Kitten Alone song, but i want it complete with no fade-out. And also No Reply takes to see how it evolved from the faster version. Also the demo before the take 1 of this same song. Or I'll Follow The Sun also.

- Help!. This one interests me, the Help! soundtrack, the Help! Takes, Ticket To Ride takes, Yesterday, and also, the takes of If You've Got Trouble, that for much of us is the less good beatles song ever wroted, along with Mr. Moonlight. But i want it with the original order and length (2:25) instead of the extended 2:44 that they presented us, and on unaltered stereo. Also, talking about unaltered stereo, i want the original stereo version of That Means A Lot take 1 that we can hear on the Anthology DVD and not the echoed-fake stereo version created for Anthology CD, and all the 22-24 takes of this same song. Oh! and also, i want to hear the original Wait takes that ended for Rubber Soul.

- Rubber Soul. Here i want to hear Girl, In My Life, Michelle, Norweigan Wood takes, but on it's original 4-track stereo. Also i want to hear the complete 6:37 version of 12-Bar Original, the two or more takes that they made.

- Revolver. Eleanor Rigby, I'm Only Sleeping, Got To Get Into My Life Takes, the take 2 of Tommorow Never Knows, etc.

- Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. This have so much material that we want to hear. Sgt. Pepper's reprise vocal track to see what Paul is saying at the end. Mr. Kite, A Day In The Life, take 1 complete, take 6 complete, all takes, including the unused jangle piano. And also here, the Penny Lane, Strawberry Fields and Only A Northern songs takes along with the sound effects for the tracks. And...specially, the Carnival Of Light but Stereo mix!.

- Magical Mystery Tour. I Am The Walrus takes in full stereo, All You Need Is Love complete takes, It's All Too Much the eight minute version on stereo, well all these songs that made here but all the takes.

- White Album. The kinafus demos on Esher. The Back In The U.S.S.R. Tapes if there's something that we can leads us to hear Ringo going out, (yeah this may be impossible to release but it's an important chapter of The Beatles), Dear Prudence, Glass Onion, Julia, I Will, with Can You Take Me Back and Step Inside Love, Los Paranoias, What's The New Mary Jane the four full takes on stereo and original 1968 mix not the one presented on the Anthology CD, Revolution 9 alternate take, Revolution 1, Revolution, Sexy Sadie takes and complete full master take along with Don't Pass Me By complete takes and full master take, Birthday takes, Helter Skelter takes including the most longest song ever take, the take 3 of 27 minutes.

- Let It Be/Get Back. The full concert and DVD on Stereo. Teddy Boy takes, the Child Of Nature, Love Me Do, All Things Must Pass, Suzy Parker, Octopus's Garden, Mean Mr. Mustard, Polythene Pam, Circles, Sour Milk Sea (most of this we're on White Album, some of this get to jam on Let It Be), well ALL of this black episode including the 12-minute Dig It version, and the first version too. It's hard to see if someday the DVD would see the light.

- Abbey Road. As being the last one recorded, i want to hear EVERYTHING of this takes of each song, including The End but not remixed like on Anthology CD that they putted reversed and normally the piano crash of A Day In The Life.

- And also, live concerts, stereo if avaliable and demo tapes and early Beatles, like Decca Audition, the Day John Met Paul, etc.

 

It would be awesome hearing all this stuff, isn't it? a-hard-days-night-john-6

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Sounds like you need to check out my site sometime, BM. http://www.thebeatlesrarity.coma-hard-days-night-john-2

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Von Bontee said:


I suspect Carnival Of Light will be a huge letdown.  Banging on the pots and pans, amp feedback, etc.  But that doesen't mean I don't want to hear it!

 


OTM! And the same goes for the half-hour "Helter Skelter" and those post-Pepper experimental jams, no matter how sloppy and pointless Mark Lewisohn proclaims them to be.  I guess I just have a fetish for all things "Beatles '67" (year I was born, coincidentally.) (And yeah, I know "Helter Skelter" was '68; didn't mean to imply otherwise, or that I thought otherwise.)


 

Carnival Of Light may be coming out in Paul's upcoming Linda McCartney Picture show project. I just posted an article on that here.

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I saw that report on the Daily Mail website. I think the key sentence was the final one: "A spokesman for Sir Paul said he was not aware of the singer revisiting the photo-film project." Does anyone know if this is actually happening, or just the fantasy of a reporter who decided to dredge up an old story?

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Joe said:

I saw that report on the Daily Mail website. I think the key sentence was the final one: "A spokesman for Sir Paul said he was not aware of the singer revisiting the photo-film project." Does anyone know if this is actually happening, or just the fantasy of a reporter who decided to dredge up an old story?


 

Good question...there is so much crap getting reported about Paul, "it ain't funny". I hope it's true, though. Time will tell.

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The original slow version of "Please Please Me" would be cool

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TheOneBeatleManiac, dude: next time just say "I want to hear everything in the vaults" and leave it at that!

 

 

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