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What makes The Beatles The Beatles?
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29 May 2011
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Dang it. I wrote a really good post, and then my computer decided to be unable to find the server http://www.beatlesbible.com. 

OK. This is basically what I wrote originally: 

Their pure amazingness. a-hard-days-night-john-1

Well, I think the first factor was how good-looking they were. It didn't contribute to the songs, but it contributed to Beatlemania. It's probably a lot easier to deliver a song, no matter how great, when your audience can actually stand looking at you.

The second thing was that they were willing to experiment. They played voices and instruments backward ("Rain," "I'm Only Sleeping," etc.), used nontraditional instruments ("Eleanor Rigby," "Norwegian Wood," George's Indian songs, the songs with orchestra, etc.), and invented recording techniques (ADT, putting a voice through a Leslie speaker, etc.). I remember a quote by Babe Ruth: "I swing big, I miss big, and I hit big." (Or something like that.) The Beatles swung big, and they usually hit big. 

The most important factor, though, was the songwriting itself. I read somewhere (or maybe imagined it) that 90-odd percent of their songs have "you" in the first line. (Does anyone want to look it up/count?) They come straight from the heart, and they hit the heart. (Basically what GniknuS said.) I don't know if I'm the only one, but I use Beatles songs to express my emotions. 

Plus, the tunes are pretty dang catchy. a-hard-days-night-george-10

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MeanMrsMustard said:

Dang it. I wrote a really good post, and then my computer decided to be unable to find the server http://www.beatlesbible.com. 

OK. This is basically what I wrote originally: 

Their pure amazingness. a-hard-days-night-john-1

Well, I think the first factor was how good-looking they were. It didn't contribute to the songs, but it contributed to Beatlemania. It's probably a lot easier to deliver a song, no matter how great, when your audience can actually stand looking at you.

The second thing was that they were willing to experiment. They played voices and instruments backward ("Rain," "I'm Only Sleeping," etc.), used nontraditional instruments ("Eleanor Rigby," "Norwegian Wood," George's Indian songs, the songs with orchestra, etc.), and invented recording techniques (ADT, putting a voice through a Leslie speaker, etc.). I remember a quote by Babe Ruth: "I swing big, I miss big, and I hit big." (Or something like that.) The Beatles swung big, and they usually hit big. 

The most important factor, though, was the songwriting itself. I read somewhere (or maybe imagined it) that 90-odd percent of their songs have "you" in the first line. (Does anyone want to look it up/count?) They come straight from the heart, and they hit the heart. (Basically what GniknuS said.) I don't know if I'm the only one, but I use Beatles songs to express my emotions. 

Plus, the tunes are pretty dang catchy. a-hard-days-night-george-10

You aren't the only one. I do that all the time, a-hard-days-night-ringo-10.

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31 May 2011
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Inner Light said:

The Beatles came out at just the right time. It used to be said that if you didn't make it in america, you would never last. 

After Kennedy was assassinated, this country needed something especially for the youth. At that time, they were so unique like nothing seen in this country before. Lennon said once that with someone like Elvis, you either liked him or you didn't but there are four of us. You have to like one of us. 

They wrote and sang great music in the Beatlemania days and for me the key thing regarding there success was that they were able to change with the times and become trend setters. From late 1966 on, many bands were still trying to ride the coat tails of there earlier success and failed but the Beatles new they needed to establish themselves in a new direction and that is why they were able to continue to have so much success.

Their music catalog covered such a wide variety of songs from Rock&Roll to ballads, they all sang and played their own instruments. George Martin also was a key ingredient and played a major force in their success.  

They were a band that were in the right place at the right time and all the wheels clicked into place.

I agree with this completely. They were in the right place at the right time. They were marketed so well for an America that was going through difficult times (assassination, Commies in Cuba and USSR). And yes they were a good band that wrote really good songs. The Beatles were smart enough to elevate their success in a completely new direction and like Inner Light said, be trend setters.

But I believe one of the reasons why they were so big and Beatley was because tehy knew how to connect with the audience on an emotional level. Their music became something bigger than three cords and 2 minutes worth of radio play.

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31 May 2011
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But it has to be more than right place, right time. The Stones were there, the Beach Boys, Dylan, etc, etc. But something happened there particularly between John and Paul that almost seems surreal. That competition that they had within the band drove them to unbelievable heights and they both wanted to put their flavor on every song. For John that usually meant pushing the "limits" of music further and further and for Paul it meant a desire for a sweeter and sweeter sound.

Then you add in a drummer of Ringo's uniqueness and capability and someone like George who basically transformed into this entirely different person who had an awesome Eastern influence and drive and you can forget about it, no one will ever top that band.

All of these factors were of course driven by the era and the "vibes" or whatever you want to call the experimentation of the 60's and it's like the perfect storm occurred. I don't think, unfortunately, anything like that could happen nowadays because our culture is a bit too cynical.

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31 May 2011
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mithveaen said:

Maybe they got so self-confident that they said "We're the Beatles, they're gonna buy it".

They did. Remember that one quote about "Hey Jude?" Where Paul (?) said "Oh, it's too long, nobody will buy it" and John (?) said "They will if it's us"?

Sorry, my quotes aren't exact.  

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MeanMrsMustard said:

mithveaen said:

Maybe they got so self-confident that they said "We're the Beatles, they're gonna buy it".

They did. Remember that one quote about "Hey Jude?" Where Paul (?) said "Oh, it's too long, nobody will buy it" and John (?) said "They will if it's us"?

Sorry, my quotes aren't exact.  

Pretty damn close. The thing there though was teetering on confidence, but not arrogance. 

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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