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The tricky thread about listening to the Beatles while *altered*...
15 October 2012
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Von Bontee said
I'd say you can get addicted in the same way as you can to eating chocolate or watching television or texting or playing videogames or doing ANYTHING you find enjoyable enough to want to do it again and again.

Yes, thats probably the best way to put it.  With some things though (drugs), walking a self control tight-rope and falling off is much worse than with something of less consequence (video games).

15 October 2012
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Well, I always like to differentiate between a "habit" and actual clinical "addiction" - you know, like including withdrawal and such.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!" -- Paul McCartney
16 October 2012
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And I'd like to think that anyone here using these substances in a recreational manner are being responsible and staying away from the stuff that makes you sell all of your possessions in order to get a few hits.

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16 October 2012
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Or break the law.

 

Act responsible folks- or we'll make you listen to the worst hours of the Get Back sessions thru headphones (not sure if that would be every single second of The Long And Winding Road recordings or the Jams but you'll be screaming for leniency and vowing to never repeat your offences).a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

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16 October 2012
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meanmistermustard said
Or break the law.

 

Act responsible folks- or we'll make you listen to the worst hours of the Get Back sessions thru headphones (not sure if that would be every single second of The Long And Winding Road recordings or the Jams but you'll be screaming for leniency and vowing to never repeat your offences).a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

No, this is what you get for irresponsibility.  

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But truthfully, I am glad to see a forum where this can be openly talked about in a mature manner amongst many age groups.  Really does make me smile :)

17 October 2012
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What a great thread, first time I've read it tonight. Everyone has been very articulate. But Satan H, between you and linkjws, I think I've found two soulmates.

"the only thing this thread is lacking is a few more honest voices talking about the mental and emotional freedom they've experienced when getting a little buzz and having fun listening to the greatest band there ever was."

I just picked the one line from Satan H's excellent Aug 16 post, so many to choose from, and would love to share some "honesty," but it's late for me, so all I'll share now is that I, too, am a government worker, currently a decision writer of disability adjudication claims for administrative law judges in the Social Security Administration. It's the highest position attainable in my Division without having to be a part of management, requiring the use of strict Regulatory language and an intimate knowledge of medical terms that require an innate ability to properly spell them correctly, even if I can't pronounce them, mainly Latin-derived words like esophagogastroduodenoscopy and salpingo-oopherectomy that no 'spell check' is going to help with, and an in-depth knowledge of the SSA Book of Federal Regulations and Findings pertaining specifically to Subpart C, Section 4, of Listings 12.04 and its concurrent subparts as applied to Social Security Disability Law.

In April of next year I will have attained 25 years of government service, with a spotless record and a 22-year Thrift Savings Plan that will allow me to retire any time after my 53rd birthday. And I have been a habitual marijuana user for 31 years.

But if linkjws was a Master of Time and a Ruler of The Universe, who could not only promise me that he could take me back to 1964 and turn me into any one of The Beatles I wanted to be, but also with guaranteed immortality, ever-lasting youth and full control of my own destiny IF  the only thing I would ever have to do in return was to spend 7 minutes and 36 seconds with the other 3 Beatles playing backup music to Yoko Ono's brain-melting, soul-destroying audio assault of screams and nonsense tongues bleated at full volume through her megaphone mouth... I'd have to politely decline. No chemical substance on earth would be able to make me high enough to endure that unique, horrendous torture, nor one powerful enough to erase the memory from my conscious mind.

Of course, I couldn't bear to watch more than a few unfortunate seconds, one part where Paul is physically assaulting an amplifier with his instrument during this agonizing exercise of unspeakable torture. For him, Ringo and George to have actually tolerated such sadistic behavior from John and still maintain the composure to keep from beating him mercilessly -

if that ain't friendship, then I don't know what is.

17 October 2012
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Wildcat said
What a great thread, first time I've read it tonight. Everyone has been very articulate. But Satan H, between you and linkjws, I think I've found two soulmates.

"the only thing this thread is lacking is a few more honest voices talking about the mental and emotional freedom they've experienced when getting a little buzz and having fun listening to the greatest band there ever was."

I just picked the one line from Satan H's excellent Aug 16 post, so many to choose from, and would love to share some "honesty," but it's late for me, so all I'll share now is that I, too, am a government worker, currently a decision writer of disability adjudication claims for administrative law judges in the Social Security Administration. It's the highest position attainable in my Division without having to be a part of management, requiring the use of strict Regulatory language and an intimate knowledge of medical terms that require an innate ability to properly spell them correctly, even if I can't pronounce them, mainly Latin-derived words like esophagogastroduodenoscopy and salpingo-oopherectomy that no 'spell check' is going to help with, and an in-depth knowledge of the SSA Book of Federal Regulations and Findings pertaining specifically to Subpart C, Section 4, of Listings 12.04 and its concurrent subparts as applied to Social Security Disability Law.

In April of next year I will have attained 25 years of government service, with a spotless record and a 22-year Thrift Savings Plan that will allow me to retire any time after my 53rd birthday. And I have been a habitual marijuana user for 31 years.

But if linkjws was a Master of Time and a Ruler of The Universe, who could not only promise me that he could take me back to 1964 and turn me into any one of The Beatles I wanted to be, but also with guaranteed immortality, ever-lasting youth and full control of my own destiny IF  the only thing I would ever have to do in return was to spend 7 minutes and 36 seconds with the other 3 Beatles playing backup music to Yoko Ono's brain-melting, soul-destroying audio assault of screams and nonsense tongues bleated at full volume through her megaphone mouth... I'd have to politely decline. No chemical substance on earth would be able to make me high enough to endure that unique, horrendous torture, nor one powerful enough to erase the memory from my conscious mind.

Of course, I couldn't bear to watch more than a few unfortunate seconds, one part where Paul is physically assaulting an amplifier with his instrument during this agonizing exercise of unspeakable torture. For him, Ringo and George to have actually tolerated such sadistic behavior from John and still maintain the composure to keep from beating him mercilessly -

if that ain't friendship, then I don't know what is.

Congratulations Wildcat! So does that mean you will be retiring soon?  Then you might be able to go on into detail in this subject?   That really is incredible though.  To be honest half of your post was gibberish to me but I am sure its pretty ingenious stuff.  However you have truly defined "friendship" in my mind.  I have watched all of the Yoko jam, and have determined its entirely why Paul gained weight and became alcohol-dependant by 1970.  I wish I could send you back as Paul, George, or Ringo (Billy Preston even) if you promised to knock sense into John.  The "Yoko Jam" occurred the same day George left The Beatles during the Get Back sessions.  Maybe after George tried to knock some sense into John when they threw some punches?  Don't know what day that occurred though.

18 October 2012
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Wow...I'd LOVE to time-travel back into the studio with three Beatles no matter what they were laying down, whether I was high or not!

Nobody will agree with me, but I still think that performance is a remarkable demonstration of this band's range and willingness to experiment. The idea that the band that recorded "Love Me Do" and "Here There And Everywhere" was also capable of a Stooges/Velvet Underground feedback assault...that's just mindblowing to me.

I continue to dream of a warts-and-all double-album version of "Get Back"/"Let It Be" featuring this performance and crazy things like "Dig It" and "Get Off" alongside the rooftop concert, "All Things Must Pass" and the best of the jams and rock 'n roll oldies.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!" -- Paul McCartney
20 October 2012
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linkjws, I'm impressed that you only found half of my post "gibberish" - I've a bad habit of trying to address more than one subject or comment at a time, which results in nothing being adequately expressed and I know I shouldn't submit it, but my OCD won't allow me to  just delete it and wait until I'm more coherent.

What I didn't get across is that my work is no more complicated or demanding than anyone else's - it's boring, repetitive, and honestly not worthy of the salary I get for it - it's just something I happen to know better than most others. I have no concept of mathematics or numbers at all, so much so that my Dad manages my checking account because of my ignorance.

I really thought the video idea itself was hilarious, and though I was attempting to be humorous, I truly could not bear to look at any more of that than necessary, surely not long enough to notice if George was there or not!

Von Bontee, believe it or not, I watched Let It Be in a movie theater on an Air Force base one year after its release (I was between 11 and 12), and I managed to record the movie off of HBO the one and only time it was ever shown, way back when home video was new.

But an amazingly recurrent theme in The Beatles' studio and recording history was their solid 'Northern' work ethic - they played their collective butts off, with only short, punctual breaks throughout a session, and then be right back at it. It's that commitment and work ethic they shared that created some great music during the Let It Be sessions, despite all the outside turmoil they were going through then.

You're right, a double-album could easily have been made from those tapes, and in this time, it would deserve nothing less than a three-CD compilation.

20 October 2012
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Wildcat said
linkjws, I'm impressed that you only found half of my post "gibberish" - I've a bad habit of trying to address more than one subject or comment at a time, which results in nothing being adequately expressed and I know I shouldn't submit it, but my OCD won't allow me to  just delete it and wait until I'm more coherent.

What I didn't get across is that my work is no more complicated or demanding than anyone else's - it's boring, repetitive, and honestly not worthy of the salary I get for it - it's just something I happen to know better than most others. I have no concept of mathematics or numbers at all, so much so that my Dad manages my checking account because of my ignorance.

I really thought the video idea itself was hilarious, and though I was attempting to be humorous, I truly could not bear to look at any more of that than necessary, surely not long enough to notice if George was there or not!

 

Don't worry 'half' was my attempt to be polite haha.  And it was a very funny post, I hope that wasn't lost in my reply.  Sometimes I fear text comes off as monotonous and if I don't write "haha" or "LOL" or something then I am losing something in translation.  

2 November 2012
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So...the upfront disclaimer:  I'm not endorsing anything here, just telling a (mostly -- it was a long time ago) true story.

Christmas break from college, winter of '73-74, I was in my hometown partying with some friends one evening.  A beer, a toke, and a dose of windowpane LSD.  It had been a wet-snow weather day, started to get colder as the night progressed so the snow turned a bit drier, all big flakes a-drifting.  Somewhere around the midnight hour, I started to walk back to my parents' house though this gorgeous winter wonderland (it being just after Xmas, I kept humming that tune, and at least once broke outloud with "Walking in a winter wonderland!").  I really don't have the words to describe my stroll through the snow, so we'll leave it at "indescribably beautiful."

Got to the house.  Out front we had a couple of very large spruce trees that were pretty close to the power/telephone wires.  The heavy snow had weighed down a few large limbs such that they were leaning on the power lines.  I noticed some blue sparks zapping between the wire and the branches.  This sight at first entranced me, as you might imagine.  And wonder turned into concern, and concern into alarm, and alarm into full-fledged panic -- the tree was going to catch fire!  The fire from the tree would burn down my house!!!

Not knowing what to do, but needing to do SOMETHING that didn't involve calling the fire department, I started pelting the branch with snowballs, thinking that I could knock the snow off the branches and save the day.  Not too effective, as it turned out, since the wet snow had a bit more tenacious hold on the limbs than I imagined. 

I don't know how long I stood there tossing snowballs, can only guess at what anyone who may have seen me might have been thinking.  I do remember my arm and shoulder being muscle-sore the next day from the effort. 

I gave up.  The paranoia had drained out of me after all that exercise, so I slipped into the house, into my bedroom, plugged in some headphones and threw the White Album on the turntable.  Anyone who talks about editing down this album to a single disc hasn't had this experience, where the entire album, song-after-song, played out cinematically through my still-altered synapses.  Each song was a little story, each story bled into the next.  And Revolution #9 seemed like such a revelation...and finally, "Good Night..."

And I slept.

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2 November 2012
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Great story, thanks for sharing!

 

I have a tab of lysergic which I'll be trying sometime soon when the situation is right, and I plan on incorporating Sgt. Pepper and/or Abbey Road into the experience.

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2 November 2012
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My first experience with hallucinogenics tool place the week 'Abbey Road' was released.

 

After much research and discussion, we obtained the dreaded 'purple haze', three of us, one being a Beatles and Kinks fanatic...My other friend decided to refrain and observe the effects of said substance and be available for any emergencies...My 'Beatle' friends house was the setting.

 

We were all emerging musicians and writers...We smoked some of the dreaded hashish first which was OK, then took our tabs and waited for the apocalypse.

 

Well, nothing happened for the first 90 minutes or so, and we pondered whether we had been slipped some fake stuff...After listening to various records for awhile, my friend said 'Do you want to hear the new Beatles album 'Abbey Road'?...We said sure, in fact we weren't even aware that 'Abbey Road' had come out...But my one friend always got all the newest records soon as they came out.

 

In any case, he put the record on, and as soon as the bass & drums from 'Come Together' came out of the speakers, the above mentioned substance kicked in, and the world changed rather dramatically...We felt we were listening to the 'music of the gods' and I dpn't think we ever heard music the same way again...What an album to listen to for the very first experience of this kind...It was truly amazing!

 

Thankfully, we experience no 'apocalypse' but without question, listening to the Beatles that night was certainly a Revelation.

17 November 2012
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Altered right now - I'm just wondering if anyone has ever folded Paul's songs on 'The White Album' into his first solo album.  They sound like they should go together.  Like they're the angry, funky counterpoint to his pastoral happiness. 

 

I'll go back to what I was doing...

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Read through this whole thread, very interesting. I hope SH is alright...

SatanHimself said

Eilwynn said
LOL, yes!  Interesting, though... for me as someone who's interested in the brain in relation to music.

...and on that note, I will continue.

 

Two things I've noticed in that state.  One;

The way I engage to or detach from certain albums.  'Beatles For Sale' feels like such a foreign album.  I love the songs, but I feel like there's something blocking me from swooning over it like, say, 'Rubber Soul' or 'A Hard Day's Night'.

'Sgt. Pepper' of course feels so vibrant and alive and when I listen to 'The White Album' I feel like I'm sitting amongst the boys as they're knocking out these goofy and folksy songs.  It's a palpable sensation of inclusion, but with a hint of sadness...  The album that most shocked me was 'Abbey Road'.  It feels dark and inaccessible, like it's daring me to listen to it. "I Want You" becomes this very eerie thing that grows in intensity as the white noise in the background slowly gets louder.  And the Moog synthesizer in "Because" gives me this odd unsettled feeling.  On the upside, the bass and drums (and the overall structure) of "Here Comes The Sun" completely blow my mind in their complexity and the medley is a complete spiritual cleansing. 

 

I understand all of that, and have felt those descriptions if each album as you said, you just said it perfectly.

I never have done drugs, and the only drug I'll probably ever do is The Beatles, but I don't judge and understand that the usage of drugs when mixed with music is probably a very interesting experience.

I can separate the parts in my mind, and hear the little bits (when listening closely of course), although it's probably a lot easier while "altered."

The effect of drugs on the Beatles is really obvious, and amazing! While I'll continue the self-policing: DONT DO DRUGS, blah blah blah... If the Beatles didn't do drugs we wouldn't have the amazing Help! on music they created! We'd be missing so much, so I'm glad they did (although don't in anyway condone drug usage!)

The only drugs/music story I have (never using drugs and all) is this:
Once a friend (maybe more of an acquaintance) got some LSD. He was a small guy, wasn't sure how well he'd handle it, and didn't want him to hurt himself, that would've been his first time, and he might've done something irresponsible.
He wasn't a good enough friend for me to say, "You're an idiot! Don't do LSD!"
(Once again I don't judge users, but I explained my reasons for believing he shouldn't, and my personal views... And don't do drugs, children!)
So to make sure he was safely inside doing something that he couldn't hurt himself or others I told him to listen through Revolver.

He ended up not doing the tab at all, but that's my boing little story...

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I've smoked weed and sniffed something once (wasn't coke, don't know what it's called in English) but have never listened to the Beatles while doing so. Those days are behind me so I won't find out what it feels like either. I'm also very curious about LSD and listening to music while taking it, but that's very heavy and scary to me. I don't think I will ever try that. Would be just my luck to get in this bad trip that lasts for ages and get scared and freaked out or something. A friend of mine took it and she became scared of everything around her. She was at a beachparty and went outside hidden under a blanket because she thought people wouldn't see her that way and screamed when anyone got near her. People had to comfort her the whole time. It sounded very embarrassing and scary and I wouldn't want anything like that ever to happen to me.

And when I'm drunk I just need something to dance to. Something, anything. But I hardly ever get drunk, and when I do, it wasn't because I went out and thought ''hey let's get stupidly drunk tonight and puke over everything tomorrow morning'' I think being drunk is quite embarrassing too.

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I've never listened to The Beatles on drugs. I've never done drugs. Drugs are bad. And illegal. And I love the government, who always know best when it comes to making my health decisions for me. You can't prove anything! I'm not saying another word until I speak with my lawyer! 

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