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The tricky thread about listening to the Beatles while *altered*...
5 September 2012
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Just have something to add.

I listened to Maybe I'm Amazed yesterday while extremely "altered", listening exclusively to the bass line, and in short it blew my mind. Had never paid attention to it before but it's incredible, he follows the chromatic run of notes on the piano with incredible precision, maintains beautiful slides high up the neck of the bass, and the improvising he does in the song's fade out is awesome too.

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5 September 2012
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Fell off the wagon, did you? :)

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!" -- Paul McCartney
5 September 2012
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Von Bontee said
Fell off the wagon, did you? :)

If by that you mean "lay on my bed listening to it in good headphones with my eyes shut, traveled to the astral plane, and thought through all of the Beatles' lives and the relationship they've had with each other," then yes. It was just one of those really awesome listening experiences, like I'd heard the song again for the first time.

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5 September 2012
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YES, the bass lines!

 

I just don't know what it is, but they absolutely become the most predominant thing when "off on a tangent".  And the great thing is that they stick with you after the fact.  Every time you hear those afterwards the bass becomes far more important.

 

And I totally agree...  Taking a little mind-journey with the Beatles (and the better solo stuff) is life-changing.  The 'Ram' album is WAY fun.

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5 September 2012
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Firstly, I want to say (as someone of 15 years on this earth) this thread could have gone very far into the shits. That it hasn`t is a testament to the politeness and care you`ve all used. Thanks.

Secondly - The fact the Beatles all survived is not a justification for drug use. NO. The weed I could smoke today is 13 times worse then back in 1967. 13 times worse.

Thirdly - I have never smoked anything, and have no intention of ever doing so. I fully expect pot to be legalised in Canada and some US states (if not throughout the US) within 10 years. However, I don`t think (Even if it`s legal) I`ll ever use. My ability to think quick, parse for context and make cogent, cohesive and sensible arguments are things I need to be unhindered if I want my life to go as I want it to go, and despite what anyone says, weed fucks with that ability permanently. Maybe not massively, but enough.

 

To my fellow teens - I know this`ll sound cruel, but people who do drugs and screw their lives up get no sympathy from me. It`s a dangerous road - make sure you know everything before you decide. It might make you cool around a certain crowd for a while to smoke - but for every person who smokes, there`s more who view the smokers with disdain. There are others out there - believe me. I`ve been through the tough days, and I`ve been through great ones. Keep away.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
5 September 2012
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I appreciate your input.  

 

But as an adult with 40 years on this Earth, I think we've already made our disclaimers about drug use at the beginning of this thread.  There has been nothing in this thread that has gone beyond the pale.  It's a legitimate discussion of the effects of recreational drug use on the brain's ability to appreciate music, namely The Beatles.

 

True, there are strains of marijuana which are ridiculously more potent than strains present in the 60s.  There's also tons of stuff less potent.  But that's not what this thread is about.

 

I think it's admirable that you have made a very mature decision at 15 to never try these things.  However, please don't be too quick to judge those of us with a few more miles on our odometers who casually use something as benign as marijuana in the safety of our homes.  My short and long-term memory are both in tip-top condition.  I work for the government.  I lead a magnificent crew of top-notch professionals in a very risky profession.  I have 2 beautiful daughters.  I play guitar, bass and drums, in varying degrees of competence.  In my down time I've learned Family Law and Adult Learning theory at a University level.  I used to own a record store.  My last job involved handling the multimillion-dollar aircraft of very famous tech giants.  I also majored in English at University, so you'll notice that everything I type is to the APA Standard for Grammar, Punctuation and Spelling.

 

My tough days have involved my Father being killed when I was 14, my wife cheating on me, bankrupting me and forcing me into a 3-year legal battle for the custody of my children (which I have just won last week).  I come from a military family and moved so many times that I have no long-term friends whatsoever and I work in a profession where I have to attend funerals for my friends and colleages several times a year.

 

So that being said, the only thing this thread is lacking is a few more honest voices talking about the mental and emotional freedom they've experienced when getting a little buzz and having fun listening to the greatest band there ever was.

This is all about choice.  You've made yours, and I respect it very much.  But please don't criticize my choice.

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5 September 2012
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And I didn't mean to. I'm trying to warn against it at a young age - if you do it at 40, go ahead.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
5 September 2012
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Please, not while you're handling aircraft, though!

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!" -- Paul McCartney
5 September 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said
And I didn't mean to. I'm trying to warn against it at a young age - if you do it at 40, go ahead.

And I apologize if I came across as a little harsh.  With near 7000 posts on a Beatles forum, I'm pretty impressed with your intellect and passion.  When I was 15 I was only just discovering the Beatles and life in general.  You sound like you have a fairly good head on your shoulders.

No hard feelings, I hope.

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6 September 2012
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Satan, congratulations on winning custody of your childen. (I hope thats ok to say. I dont know the situation and its none of my business, its just a horrendous battle to go thru. My parents separated twice and the first time it went to court for custody and to see the pain and emotions my Father went thru was horrendous. Apologies if i offend as that was never intended.)

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6 September 2012
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Thanks.  It's alright to ask.  

The short version is this:  We split and my lawyer botched my Separation Agreement, so while I technically had joint custody she got everything and held domain over my kids (which she used to her advantage).

I've had to spend two years going through the legal process, but a Judge last week *finally* gave me 50% access to my children.  But since my ex (who lives a fabulous lifestyle with her income and tax-free child support) refuses to settle, I have to finish it with a full trial later in the year.  Until then, I still have to pay her almost a thousand dollars a month tax-free.  But I'll get it back retroactively once the final order comes through.

 

Moral of the story...?  Prenups should be manditory.  When Paul McCartney loses half his fortune, that's one thing.  When Satan Himself loses his, that's something else entirely.

 

Fun side note:  My girls, who love me to death, are huge Beatle fans at the ages of 7 and 9.  The other day we went to a water park and on the way I asked what to play, and my oldest replied "Taxman"!

9 years old...

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6 September 2012
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SatanHimself said 
Fun side note:  My girls, who love me to death, are huge Beatle fans at the ages of 7 and 9.  The other day we went to a water park and on the way I asked what to play, and my oldest replied "Taxman"!

9 years old...

Very very cute.

 

ALERT More going off topic

 

Did Paul lose half his fortune? I lost interest towards the start but have always thought Ms Mills got £25m and told she was incredibly unreliable in her testimony. Heck! I dont care in the slightest so why ask? (Are we allowed to use her name on this site - in some beatle worlds its unacceptable and a jug of water is poured over your head.)

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6 September 2012
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Without Googling it I know she got a fantastic amount, but I imagine it was just just 50% of everything he earned for the years they were together.  But since he owns the publishing rights to such a massive catalogue of music, I'm sure he's made that money back by now.

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6 September 2012
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To tie this back to the topic, I remember she said in her testimony or someplace else that Paul smoked pot "like ordinary people drink cups of tea."

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6 September 2012
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She also said Paul used to hit her and Linda (google search to bring up thousands of articles). Personally i'd bank all my money on a throwaway word from an MP behind closed doors with no one else there before believing anything Heather Mills said and im fully aware that Paul was/is prone to bit of pot.

Found the divorce judgement in full which says at point 322.

"Accordingly, I shall order that the husband will pay to the wife on or after decree nisi a lump sum of £16.5m. This then means that she will exit the marriage with property and funds of £24.3m. Thus, in my judgment, the sharing principle, on the assumption that such may arguably be applicable here, is subsumed within her needs and indeed in the total figure with which she exits the marriage."

Its doubtful Paul is thinking of turning his heating down in the winter due to lack of finance.

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7 September 2012
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meanmistermustard said

Its doubtful Paul is thinking of turning his heating down in the winter due to lack of finance.

Though I bet he's glad the WFA isn't means tested...

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7 September 2012
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The Walrus said

meanmistermustard said

Its doubtful Paul is thinking of turning his heating down in the winter due to lack of finance.

Though I bet he's glad the WFA isn't means tested...

Bet he's dying for that £200 (if i read it properly) every year. Must get tight around Christmas.

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15 October 2012
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Alright so I looked for this topic after reading the "Beatles and Drugs" feature on this site, and I wanted to share what I had to say. 

 

I went through a phase of about a year and a couple months where I was just high as a kite constantly.  I was working and going to school at the time, and I just kind of fell into it.  I don't particularly know why then, I had experienced it a few times before, but maybe the stress caused it to really take off.   Thank god nothing really suffered from it, and I managed to keep my composure (this does not mean everyone does though).  I was also jamming with a few kids at this time, and we were all pretty heavy into the stuff (some more into other things...) and it changed what we played, wrote, and jammed around.  

 

Now, The Beatles "altered" is a completely different animal than any other music I have heard.  I AM NOT ADVOCATING DRUG USE, but I really cannot describe what happens.  For some reason The Beatles just change when altered.  I remember sitting in a car with two of my friends right at the beginning of that pot phase, and listening to Pepper and I was blown away.  It was the first time I had heard The Beatles this way, and I wanted to listen to every album (Rubber Soul on) in this condition to try and hear things I had never heard before.  This was my friends first experience with the drug as well, and it kind of was the birth of a close friendship that I still have today.  We remember by the time we got to "Getting Better" it was just unreal.  The beats seem so much more punchy, Paul's bass get so incredibly fluid, and everything blends together in a weird sort of audio soup.  The White Album is even weirder, Let It Be is even more relaxed, and Abbey Road is so triumphant and deep you feel like you can take on the world.  The "Ahhh"'s in You Never Give Me Your Money gave me a sensation of a plane lifting off (i still feel it today).  I posted about that in "song fragments that really grab you", but didn't mention the pot aspect.  I could go on and on and on about all of the albums, the songs, and the moments but I don't have the time nor does anyone want to read that.  

 

However, the point I am trying to get to is this (here is the policing myself portion).  There is nothing you can do on Pot that you can't do sober.  I haven't smoked in almost 2 years now, and truthfully there isn't much difference in what I do.  I just don't devote the time to rolling a quick one up, or calling that one special friend. The Beatles sound incredible no matter how you listen to them and you can hear all the things your mind doesn't always hear if you just sit and really listen.  You can write and jam the same music sober as you can high.  Pot will expedite the process, and occasionally I miss the quick hit and feelings that come with it, but its just a feeling.  I'd say to anyone younger that you should keep an open mind.  Doesn't mean you should do it, but just know its out there and you will come into contact with those who frequent it.  Also, to those who tell you that you can't get addicted, thats misleading.  You probably can't be addicted to pot in some fashion like say, caffeine.  But you can get addicted to the feeling that pot brings you.  That's what the danger of it is.  Don't lose yourself looking for "You".  It's similar to the "ego death" of LSD.  I have friends who can't imagine life without that buzz.  It's sad, but hey, we all live our own life.  

Also, my girlfriend would beat the piss out of me if I smoked, so that changes things too. However she does want to experience LSD...I don't quite get it either but alright.

 
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I'd say you can get addicted in the same way as you can to eating chocolate or watching television or texting or playing videogames or doing ANYTHING you find enjoyable enough to want to do it again and again.

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15 October 2012
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Von Bontee said
I'd say you can get addicted in the same way as you can to eating chocolate or watching television or texting or playing videogames or doing ANYTHING you find enjoyable enough to want to do it again and again.

I'd certainly agree. Even though I often found LSD a powerful and sometimes disturbing experience, I enjoyed it enough to keep looking forward to doing it again. Listening to Sgt Peppers all the way through as I peaked was further incentive.

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