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After reading many comments on Song Pages such as Free As A Bird and others, I have been inspired to create A thread asking "Who made the Best Music After the Breakup"? I don't Own A majority of The Solo stuff, but I think McCartney And Lennon Are tied, With George Following Closely behind.

So what Do Guys and Gals Think? John, George, Or Paul?

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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My solo Beatles collection has been rather slow growing. As far as complete albums go I have two from Paul (Venus & Mars, Band On The Run), two from John (Mind Games, Double Fantasy), one from George (All Things Must Pass), and one from Ringo (Y Not). The rest have been added individually as people have recommended them. But the question is who is better? Paul's can be overworked, John's too rough, George sometimes has so much going on that it's hard to hear him, and Ringo is likeable enough - nothing earth shaking. 

With what I have, I can't decide. a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

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I dunno, I can say that Paul, John and George are tied. I can't say who's my favorite, I mean, I listen to Watching The Wheels, and then I heard Silly Love Songs and then I hear Apple Scruffs, and I love all the boys the same.

 

Ringo I dunno. I mean, his work might not be awesome,but when some of the beatles helped him, he's a killer. It makes me smile how the 3 took care of him. I like that. a-hard-days-night-ringo-10

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For me, John all the way. I spent most of my teenage years listening to his solo works, and Plastic Ono Band was for years my favourite album. Imagine is excellent too. I think those two albums eclipse anything else done by the others, with the possible exception of All Things Must Pass.

I have half a dozen or so of Paul's albums, and I've downloaded all of George's stuff. There's some great stuff in both, but as a body of work John's appeals to me most of all. Put it this way, writing the John Lennon section of the website was an absolute pleasure, and if it had existed when I was sixteen I'd have savoured every word. I just can't get that worked up about the others' music, wonderful though some of it is.

I've recently been writing about Band On The Run, Paul's best-selling album. There are some great songs on there, but it's really no masterpiece. His solo stuff's too often throwaway, too jovial, too frivolous, even when the melodies are brilliant. I love Jet and Mrs Vandebilt, but there's no real substance to either. The same with much of Ram. George's solo works are occasionally inspired, but sometimes bland and too often a bit worthy for my liking. Nothing they did can hold a candle to Gimme Some Truth, Isolation or Jealous Guy.

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I agree with you Joe, John's really good solo stuff is still the best. He had some bad ones in there too, but then again so did the others. Paul's stuff is always interesting, but nothing really has blown me away, outside of Maybe I'm Amazed and a few others in there too. I saw a movie a few weeks ago called Lennon and McCartney: recording outside of the Beatles from 1967-1972 and there were people interviewed who were obvious Lennon fans on one side and obvious McCartney fans on the other. The Lennon fans spoke of Macca's work as being okay, and they kept saying BUT it's just not comparable to Hey Jude. They would say things like, Maybe I'm Amazed is a good song with a great melody, BUT, this is the very man who recorded Yesterday, so I got the impression that maybe the bar was too high for Paul. On the other side, the McCartney guys said John's work was good, BUT, it was too simple for them, so no one was really in agreement.

I would say I respect John's work the most, he truly poured his soul out on Plastic Ono Band, but I like George's stuff the best. All Things Must Pass, Living in the Material World, Cloud 9 and Brainwashed have some of my favorite songs of all time on them, plus all of the great stuff with the Traveling Wilburys. 

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I'm not really sure whose work I like better. I have all of Paul and John's stuff, but I only have two of George's albums (All Things Must Pass and Brainwashed) and one of Ringo's (Y Not), so I can't really judge that much on theirs. 

John has some really good stuff, like Jealous Guy and (Just Like) Starting Over, and some bad stuff too, like (IMO) I Don't Want to Be a Soldier Mama.

Paul is very inconsistent. Live And Let Die, Maybe I'm Amazed and Calico Skies are really great, but he has quite a bit of not so good stuff, like Mary Had a Little Lamb. 

Incidentally, I think Paul's recent stuff is some of the best stuff he's done. His last two albums are really good.

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This topic made me listen some of the greatest hits albums I got from John and Paul.. and I'm going to say something that might sound very weird or stupid.

 

First of all, I love Paul McCartney. I grew up listening to Wings. But now I listen to some of his work.. it seems to me that his ego got into the way. He wants his music to sound "splendiferous" (or as we say in Mexico "esplendorosa") and in there, the misses are more than the hits. Now, I don't say that's bad. The hits are just classics : Live And Let Die, Let 'em in, Silly Love Songs, Venus And Mars Show, etc. But when he's less, then the hits are more than the misses, like Mull Of Kintyre, Calico Skies, etc.

 

John's not like that. Maybe because he did his music with his gutar and a tape recorder, sounds "less", but the results are just awesome. Imagine, Just like Starting over, Watching The WheelsJealous Guy, Woman, etc. And funny enough, this is the only song I like about Yoko, that of Move over Mrs. L and Dear Yoko… I mean it's not because of her, but I always skip them.

 

Ok guys so feel free to tell me "No no Mith, you're wrong, you should listen to this "over-the-top" John or this "down-to-Earth" Paul". I'm truly happy to learn.

 

And George… well George is my favorite so I like most of his music. a-hard-days-night-george-10

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While I respect your opinions, Listen to some of Paul's more recent music. It has a much more down to earth Feel than his 70's and 80's albums.

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You're right. Maybe Paul wanted to prove he was greater than the Beatles, or he could be good without John. But now he doesn't have to prove anything.

 

And speaking of his latest work... I have 2 words : Electric Arguments. I'm opening a topic about it.

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Mithveaen, I agree with you about Paul's stuff in the sense that he wanted it to sound  "esplendorosa", which by the way is one of the greatest words I've ever heard. Paul's solo work just confuses me, there's really no purpose or direction in any of his music. One album is incredibly raw like McCartney or the russian album and another is possibly overdone like Band On The Run. It's confusing because Paul seemed to have the most control over the "artistic direction" of the Beatles at least during the latter part of the 60's, but he didn't seem to have much direction in terms of his own work. He seemed to need John creatively maybe more than John needed him.

That's why I like John's work in comparison to Paul's solo wise, John sort of was who he was and for the most part he just did whatever he wanted with his albums because, after all, he was John Lennon and could basically do whatever he wanted. A primal album, a political album, an album of covers, and finally a comeback album, you can at least tell what John was trying to achieve with the majority of his work even if sometimes it didn't turn out too spectacular.

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Mhh good point Gnik, and interesting. I always get the feeling that the ones willing to go on with the Beatles were Paul (although he broke up the band officially) and Ringo. John had already move on with Yoko, and George was fed up with Lennon/McCartney. 

 

I don't want to say Paul is less, of course not!!! I mean, listen to Electric Arguments. That album should make young rock band to sit in the sidewalk and cry. And we're talking of a man who's almost 70. Forget Chuck Norris facts.. there shoud be the Macca facts. I'm sure Macca can kick Norris's wussy butt. a-hard-days-night-paul-11

 

Edit : I was re-reading Joe's message about what appeals to you. Maybe this is crazy, but John, George and Paul's work appeal to me…. very much the same way. Maybe because I grew up listening to John and Wings, and in the 80s I listened a lot to Cloud Nine. I just can't choose...

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Dredged up from deep in the archives, dust and grime removed, and given a bit of a polish to make suitable for use (there's probably another thread on this but I dont know of it, i'm not looking, and I haven't posted in here before).

Great question from @mr. Sun king coming together.

mr. Sun king coming together said
After reading many comments on Song Pages such as Free As A Bird and others, I have been inspired to create A thread asking "Who made the Best Music After the Breakup"? I don't Own A majority of The Solo stuff, but I think McCartney And Lennon Are tied, With George Following Closely behind.

So what Do Guys and Gals Think? John, George, Or Paul?

My thoughts.

It's hard with John as his catalogue and legacy is generally praised yet its always the same material with the rest ignored (not helped by the endless compilations which feature the same selection of tracks). To that extent its hard to really get a grip of where John's should truly stand from that alone.

'Plastic Ono Band' is flawless in my opinion; 'Imagine' has a few of tracks that don't work ('Gimmie Some Truth', 'I Don't Want To Be A Soldier', 'Oh Yoko'); 'Sometime In New York City' is abysmal; 'Mind Games' and 'Walls And Bridges' feature some amazing songs but are over-produced; 'Rock 'N' Roll' varies from the dull to the brilliant (the majority being dull) plus its all over-produced; 'Double Fantasy' and 'Milk And Honey' (the latter being outtakes but recorded at the same time as 'DF' and both sit well together) are generally very good; and there are a handful of stand-alone singles that are excellent. If only Yoko would sanction a mixed-down (not Stripped as 'Double Fantasy Stripped' didnt work for me) 'Mind Games' and 'Walls And Bridges' then John body of work might just match the praise it regularly gets (and then folk listen to it and often feel disappointed).

Paul's been so prolific since the Beatles split and has tried so many different styles, genres, ideas throughout the last 46 years how on earth do you fairly evaluate it? Where do you even start? There are some massive disappointments and mis-steps along the way yet there have also been many moments of incredible brilliance that easily match John and George's greatest achievements - and due to the sheer volume of work if stacked up both sides would outnumber his ex-bandmates. For every 'Pipes Of Peace' (two great songs, the rest forgettable garbage in my opinion) and 'Memory Almost Full' (i plan to never hear it again) there is 'Wild Life' and 'McCartney II' - the latter two often berated by most but both would figure highly in my favourite solo-Beatles albums ever (i'd odd so what a-hard-days-night-paul-11).

George is definitely under-rated with only a handful of solo tracks and the 'All Things Must Pass' LP generally getting a look in. Yet get into his canon and there is much to treasure if you enter in. Yes there are troughs ('Dark Horse' and 'Extra Texture' being the obvious*, tho the song Dark Horse' is one of my favourites) but there are also many times of great rewards that you wouldn't expect. 'Gone Troppo' has simply been painted with the general view of ignore as George couldn't be bothered and it sold next to nothing and so its shit. Listen to it however and its amazing; George making music that he liked whilst not giving one crap if anyone (fans, music executives, critics, radio listeners) bothered to hear it or not ('Wake Up My Love' being the only moment that made any effort to be commercial for the time). 'George Harrison' is another that is often overlooked yet is fantastic. 'All Things Must Pass' is rightly highly acclaimed yet all the others have numerous moments of greatness that whilst might not always be instant classics given time easily get into your being and you appreciate far more. If anything if folk actually spent time listening to George's work instead of immediately whining that it's not as good as John or Paul's they'd begin to appreciate him far more for what he gave us.

So to answer the question "Who made the Best Music After the Breakup?", my answer is I have no idea how to come to a final decision let alone give a final answer. 

 

Oh I forgot why I came here in the first place.

Is there any solo Beatles album* that you have heard that is simple worthless, that is features nothing on it that makes you want to go back? For me the only two are 'Memory Almost Full' and 'Driving Rain'. I get irked just at the thought of listening to them. As atrocious as 'Some Time In New York City' is you do get some great live tracks (e.g. 'Cold Turkey' and 'Well (Baby, Please Don't Go)') and 'Woman Is The Nigger Of The World' has got a really good feel to it, the live version from the 1972 'One To One' concert being better than the studio cut.

 

*Ignoring 'Electronic Sound' and 'Wonderwall' as they were never intended to be fully commercial albums and I'd then have to take into account John's 'Unfinished Music' collections. blue-meanie

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mithveaen said
And George… well George is my favorite so I like most of his music. a-hard-days-night-george-10

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 What she said. 

I really can't rate them objectively, because a) I haven't heard enough-- too much of George (wait, what am I saying, there's no such thing), some of John, some of Paul, and a smidgen of Ringo; and b) because I love George too much. a-hard-days-night-george-9 So while George's stuff is the best for me, I amn't saying his was the best, period. But if I were to rate them for myself, personally, I would put George first, then John, then Paul-- some of Paul's individual songs are really wonderful but I prefer John's overall style, usually-- meaning I would rather listen to a Lennon album than a McCartney one. Ringo I shall have to further explore. 

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Honestly the only whole album i can listen to is Imagine... I tried to get into their solo stuff, but i found it so mediocre, generally bad produced and filled with crappy songs... to me all of them are bad.

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mr. Sun king coming together said
After reading many comments on Song Pages such as Free As A Bird and others, I have been inspired to create A thread asking "Who made the Best Music After the Breakup"? I don't Own A majority of The Solo stuff, but I think McCartney And Lennon Are tied, With George Following Closely behind.

So what Do Guys and Gals Think? John, George, Or Paul?

In my world, Macca wins hands down.  Then John, followed very closely by George. 

I only have 5 Ringo songs on my iPod a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

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I like most of John's songsa-hard-days-night-john-6 although I've listened to Plastic Ono Band so much I'm sick of it (don't kill me).

Paul has made a lot of great albumsa-hard-days-night-paul-8 but Band On The Run has never meant much to me (I'm a Ram person).

George IMO has the best solo career a-hard-days-night-george-10(my favourite album is Living in the Material World) and All Things Must Pass is a masterpiece.

Ringo's albums aren't the best although I still enjoy them (I like Ringo and Goodnight Vienna). Postcards from Paradise is pretty poor a-hard-days-night-ringo-7though I still listen to it.

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