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The most disliked Beatle (by society, not Beatlemaniacs)
29 September 2013
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I wonder (occasionally is an understatement) how anyone in their right minds could dislike The Beatles, you have to at least respect what they did for music

They did so much for society but the odd few people in society hate them for it

But back on topic, who would you say was/is the most disliked of the group? In order

From what I hear, I'd probably say

1. Paul

2.Ringo

3. John

4. George

 

For unknown reasons, in my opinion it should be

1. None of them

2. None of them

3. None of them

4. Ringo (I kid :p none of them again)

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29 September 2013
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Each one of them took their hits, deservedly and undeservedly.

 

John's squandered solo career and his devotion to Yoko's interests often comes up.

Paul has taken heat for the blandness of some of his music in parts of every decade. 

George for his steady decline in music quality after a strong solo start.

Ringo for never really establishing a solo career that well and his shift to the nostalgia circuit.

 

Ringo probably gets the least *respect*, but I don't know if you can say any of them are or have been disliked in any active way.

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29 September 2013
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SatanHimself said
Each one of them took their hits, deservedly and undeservedly.

 

John's squandered solo career and his devotion to Yoko's interests often comes up.

Paul has taken heat for the blandness of some of his music in parts of every decade. 

George for his steady decline in music quality after a strong solo start.

Ringo for never really establishing a solo career that well and his shift to the nostalgia circuit.

 

Ringo probably gets the least *respect*, but I don't know if you can say any of them are or have been disliked in any active way.

Ahh, I see, thanks!

I've never actually heard anyone say they dislike George before, but that's just probably me

Ringo not signing autographs and saying he doesn't miss Liverpool comes to mind, too

And obviously John's comment about them being more popular than Jesus

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29 September 2013
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  1. Paul – I think a lot of people now think he is too old. Others prefer John and think Paul isn't deep enough (granny music/ballads).
  2. John – more popular than Jesus, Yoko (stated above), and I know a few that hate him because he was a hippy and a druggy. 
  3. Ringo – fan mail (stated above) and because they think is a simple drummer. 
  4. I do not hear much about George. More often than not, most people forget about him now. However, I guess stated above, his decline in music after a strong start. Maybe his religious beliefs too. 
29 September 2013
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sky090909 said
 

    1. Paul – I think a lot of people now think he is too old. Others prefer John and think Paul isn't deep enough (granny music/ballads).
      1. John – more popular than Jesus, Yoko (stated above), and I know a few that hate him because he is a hippy and a druggy. 
        1. Ringo – fan mail (stated above) and because they think is a simple drummer. 
          1. I do not hear much about George. More often than not, most people forget about him now. However, I guess stated above, his decline in music after a strong start. Maybe his religious beliefs too. 

          I find the granny music thing rather amusing as John had his fair share of drippy love songs for Yoko.

          Anyhoo, they have taken a lot of flak across the years for the whole drugs thing, bad example to impressionable youth etc.

          I also think John and George upset some fans with their seeming retreat from making music and some critics found George's music too 'preachy'.

          My wife is rather upset with how badly they treated women.

          So, some possible reasons there – I like to focus on the music even if they were as imperfect as the rest of us as people.

           

          29 September 2013
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          BeatleManiacKane said

          SatanHimself said
          Each one of them took their hits, deservedly and undeservedly.

           

          John's squandered solo career and his devotion to Yoko's interests often comes up.

          Paul has taken heat for the blandness of some of his music in parts of every decade. 

          George for his steady decline in music quality after a strong solo start.

          Ringo for never really establishing a solo career that well and his shift to the nostalgia circuit.

           

          Ringo probably gets the least *respect*, but I don't know if you can say any of them are or have been disliked in any active way.

          Ahh, I see, thanks!
          I've never actually heard anyone say they dislike George before, but that's just probably me

          Ringo not signing autographs and saying he doesn't miss Liverpool comes to mind, too

          And obviously John's comment about them being more popular than Jesus

          … which was printed completely out of context from its original interview in America.  a-hard-days-night-john-4 Still, the fact that he was believed by many to be an atheist won't win him many fans among the religious nuts of the world.  blue-meanie

          Ringo remains by far the biggest (by-default) punchline in the group largely due to the fact that he wasn't a so-called 'musical genius' like the other 3 were/are… despite the fact that there were some things he could in fact do better than the others (e.g. acting).

          Paul has definitely been criticized for being musically soft throughout the years… though most now acknowledge that most of his albums that were widely derided when they first came out really aren't that bad.  He's also garnered much praise for virtually all of his albums since Flaming Pie.

          George probably saved himself from a lot of quibbles from others by spending most of the last decade of his life out of the public eye.

          29 September 2013
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          I don't like how they treated women either; however, it doesn't change the music (not including Run For Your Life). 

          29 September 2013
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          George has a couple of times been criticized for being a bit hypocritical about his New Agey spirituality whilst living a materialistic wealthy lifestyle.  An essay written in National Review magazine shortly after his death was one example of this criticism (I can't remember who wrote it…)

          I agree with BeatleManiac's bafflement about how people could dislike the Beatles; but I have met a couple of people who actually dislike Beatles music.  To me, that's at least as preposterous (if not more so) as disliking a pleasant breeze on a sunny day.

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          29 September 2013
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          With any public figures who are as famous as the Beatles there's always going to be strong opinions and people who love or hate. I think George is sometimes forgotten about which is so sad. I was talking to my boyfriend about how when he died, I went to work the next day really upset and was astonished when a fellow 18 year old didn't know who he was. My boyfriend admitted that before he met me he's not sure he knew George's name! I was shocked. Ringo is often dismissed as the weak link in the Beatles which is frankly farcical. Paul is seen by some as not as good as John and the view seems to be that he should retire gracefully (as far as I'm concerned he can go on till hes 100 and I'll be happy!) I think John is usually seen in the best light and held up as some sort of saint. John is my absolute idol but he certainly wasn't a saint by any stretch of the imagination and I don't think he would have wanted to be seen that way either. 

          29 September 2013
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          Having re-listened to George's albums from '76 onwards I find it very difficult to understand the view that John's is in any way better. Its easily on a par and may be stronger.

          Many folks like Ringo but not his music, kind of like in With A Little Help, as soon as he starts singing they start to grumble. Some also continue to harbour the idea that he was very fortunate to be in the Beatles and possibly didn't deserve to be.

          "Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
          29 September 2013
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          Funny Paper said
          George has a couple of times been criticized for being a bit hypocritical about his New Agey spirituality whilst living a materialistic wealthy lifestyle.  An essay written in National Review magazine shortly after his death was one example of this criticism (I can't remember who wrote it…)

          I agree with BeatleManiac's bafflement about how people could dislike the Beatles; but I have met a couple of people who actually dislike Beatles music.  To me, that's at least as preposterous (if not more so) as disliking a pleasant breeze on a sunny day.

           

          I can see that. It IS a bit hypocritical to go on and on about how we don't need material stuff and how we let us lead by material stuff and all, while he lived in a huge castle with all luxury within reach. I don't think many people really gave a damn about that though, as most people's primary concern is the music. However, I do think his music wasn't as good as it used to be at the end of the 70s. I think he later made that up with Cloud Nine though. And I absolutely don't blame him for wanting peace. After having been followed around for years by the paps and having been studied by loads of people, who wouldn't?

          Paul: I also think Paul got a lot of the blame as for why the Beatles broke up. But that's just a reason for the early 70s.

          Ringo: Never really understood where people got the idea from that Ringo was just a guy who was there at the right time and place and who didn't really deserve to be there. Why is that? Because he wasn't one of the songwriters?

          Nothing more to add, really. I think everything's been covered now.

          29 September 2013
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          So what do people wish George had done? Sold everything and lived like a dosser before singing about what he felt or desired in life? Sing songs about stuff he didn't care about just because he could afford to live in a mansion? 

          I really don't get this idea that singers or musicians cannot express their desire for a life where material objects are passed over for something they believe is much more beneficial if they can afford it all. Its something people complain about with John and the "imagine no possessions".

           

          "Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
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          Duke_of_Kirkaldy said

          BeatleManiacKane said

          [snip]
          Ringo probably gets the least *respect*, but I don't know if you can say any of them are or have been disliked in any active way.

          And obviously John's comment about them being more popular than Jesus

          … which was printed completely out of context from its original interview in America.  a-hard-days-night-john-4 Still, the fact that he was believed by many to be an atheist won't win him many fans among the religious nuts of the world.  blue-meanie

          [snip]

          I'll step in on this one since I was at one time a religious nut as I have described in other posts on the forum. John, and all the Beatles by association, were seen as being WORSE than atheists. We were taught to believe that they were outright Satan worshipers. So, yeah, I knew (and still know) many people who abhor/despise/detest/reject/condemn Beatles music. To even listen to their music was an outright slap in the face to the God who created and loved you.

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          meanmistermustard said
          So what do people wish George had done? Sold everything and lived like a dosser before singing about what he felt or desired in life? Sing songs about stuff he didn't care about just because he could afford to live in a mansion? 

          I really don't get this idea that singers or musicians cannot express their desire for a life where material objects are passed over for something they believe is much more beneficial if they can afford it all. Its something people complain about with John and the "imagine no possessions".

           

          I assume they think he should have given it all away and gone to help Mother Teresa or something – otherwise I can see where people suggest he is saying "do as I say not as I do".  There is also that "if you want to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk" thing.  Not saying I agree with it all, just answering your query :)

           

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          trcanberra said

          meanmistermustard said
          So what do people wish George had done? Sold everything and lived like a dosser before singing about what he felt or desired in life? Sing songs about stuff he didn't care about just because he could afford to live in a mansion? 

          I really don't get this idea that singers or musicians cannot express their desire for a life where material objects are passed over for something they believe is much more beneficial if they can afford it all. Its something people complain about with John and the "imagine no possessions".

          I assume they think he should have given it all away and gone to help Mother Teresa or something – otherwise I can see where people suggest he is saying "do as I say not as I do".  There is also that "if you want to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk" thing.  Not saying I agree with it all, just answering your query :)

          So everyone who dreams and wants to attain a better world where people aren't grasping for the latest gadget and ignoring and hurting the planet, themselves and fellow man must first give everything they own away before expressing it? They would be classed as insane nut-jobs, laughed at and every word ignored.

          I find it all barmy.

          Plus George did a heck of a lot for charities and those in need yet didn't shout about it. Maybe he should of done. Yet if he had he would have been called an attention grabber.
          So I guess the principle is "you're screwed if you do and you're screwed if you don't".

          "Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
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          cbatcu said

          Duke_of_Kirkaldy said

          BeatleManiacKane said

          [snip]
          Ringo probably gets the least *respect*, but I don't know if you can say any of them are or have been disliked in any active way.

          And obviously John's comment about them being more popular than Jesus

          … which was printed completely out of context from its original interview in America.  a-hard-days-night-john-4 Still, the fact that he was believed by many to be an atheist won't win him many fans among the religious nuts of the world.  blue-meanie

          [snip]

          I'll step in on this one since I was at one time a religious nut as I have described in other posts on the forum. John, and all the Beatles by association, were seen as being WORSE than atheists. We were taught to believe that they were outright Satan worshipers. So, yeah, I knew (and still know) many people who abhor/despise/detest/reject/condemn Beatles music. To even listen to their music was an outright slap in the face to the God who created and loved you.

          Thats crazy, no offense. I hate see what they thought of Harry Potter.

           

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          ^^You've got the right idea, sky090909. I think you can imagine. Reading those books is a gateway in to the occult.

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          cbatcu said
          ^^You've got the right idea, sky090909. I think you can imagine. Reading those books is a gateway in to the occult.

          I can and let me burn! a-hard-days-night-john-6

          I'm glad the church I was brought up in was pretty open minded to where they let us read Harry Potter (not at the church of course) and listen to The Beatles. Both of which was a huge part of my teenage years while going there. 

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          Sorry, boys. This just isn't going to get you any brownie points with the religious nuts. Nice try.

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          meanmistermustard said

          trcanberra said

          meanmistermustard said

          [SNIP]

          So I guess the principle is "you're screwed if you do and you're screwed if you don't".

          I suspect that is about right.

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