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The Lennon vs McCartney debate
31 January 2011
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Ok but when I say diplomat is from the Beatles to the rest of the world, not from Beatle to Beatle. Paul was the one who wanted to keep the Beatle image. John didn't mind speaking his mind regarding the fans or the press. Paul however, was always keen to play the "I'm a pop star" role.

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31 January 2011
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Ok well I agree with you there.

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31 January 2011
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I'm reminded of a remark of John's in an interview – he said something like "Paul will always be an entertainer", meaning (I think) that Paul always loved live performance, needed that audience feedback, in a way that the others could take or leave. Which is why he couldn't wait to form another band and tour tour tour.

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31 January 2011
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I was using the word diplomatic without realizing how you had used it, Mith. I totally agree with your assertion that he was kind of like the Beatles' Ambassador to the world press, but hardly the same way with The Beatles. Hell, he was the one who talked about faces you put on just before you step outside.

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31 January 2011
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I really believe that they were both great great talents, but completely different personalities – none of which perfect. Talent-wise, I think Paul didn't mind writing a commercial song, I mean a song that was maybe really shallow but a potential hit.. John, meanwhile, seemed in their last years to only write songs that expressed what he truly felt.

In their earlier years, I think they balanced each other.. Paul took the business too seriously I guess, while John never did. I do think that some extremely cheesy Paul songs were given a reality check by a John contribution, and some honest John songs that were all over the place, were kept in line by Paul's melodies..I am no music expert, this is just what I feel when I hear their songs -  feel free to disagree :)

Personality-wise.. and I didn't read Anthology but from what I gather, they were all nasty to each other in the late years, save Ringo of course, whom I can't imagine being mean to anyone! Paul bossed around, George made fun of paul's songs, John looked uninterested and snappy.. I think none of them was absolutely good or bad, only different.

I completely agree with Vonbontee about Paul.. I think he liked to perform, which is why he was the last one to accept that they should stop touring, and why he came up with the Get Back idea. This doesn't make him bad, I mean, look at all the stars now!

I just love them all.. and the fact that we know a lot of negative things about them and still love them is just what makes them great stuart-sutcliffe

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31 January 2011
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Great post, certainly their flaws keep them human. Speaking of flaws, I was wondering if Yoko has affected anyone's feelings towards John and if that would make them favor Paul over him. Ok, they both made some bad music in their careers both with the Beatles and after the Beatles, but I don't think Paul ever made anything as bad as Two Virgins, the Wedding Album, and whatever their third one was called, Lions for Lambs or something like that. Plus he put all of those great musicians together for those concerts and was cool with Yoko completely ruining their performances.

So I think that maybe Paul was consistently better, but John's peaks were higher than Paul's.

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31 January 2011
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Haha Yoko's music made me appreciate John's music MORE! And it's called Life With The Lions and it's great! (Agreed that Two Virgins is awful fwiw.)

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31 January 2011
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Von Bontee said:

And it's called Life With The Lions and it's great! 

 

Really? I've never heard of Good review of any of the Trio. I might check it out, after all, You do have great taste, Von! (In Music Anyways *Leafs*

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31 January 2011
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I think those John&Yoko albums are the price to pay for being nonconformist and experimental. IMHO.

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31 January 2011
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Marcelo said:

I think those John&Yoko albums are the price to pay for being nonconformist and experimental. IMHO.


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I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
1 February 2011
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Come on that's artsy fartsy bullshit. I'm not saying I don't "approve" of what they did, but the reality is they pushed things too far, they just did. Whether it was those three albums, and by the way the only reason John was allowed to release those albums is because of him "conforming" and achieving all of that fame. But didn't they make a movie where they just showed John, umm, "pitching a tent" from start to finish? Plus there was the movie of Yoko letting that fly crawl over her while she made her banshee noises. Call it nonconformist and experimental, I agree with George, avant-garde a clue.

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1 February 2011
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Well considering that avant-garde was "in" during the 60s, I don't blame them for experimenting with that. I haven't heard much of that.. but I've seen footage of Yoko screaming and John playing his gutar like crazy. Eww… a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

 

Now back to Lennon McCartney debate.. I've just seen a video in The Onion about Documetaries about Rock stars who are d*cks. They had U2 Rattle and Hum (heh) and at the end they had "To see more d*cks in documentaries…" and I laughed when I saw "Paul McCartney – Let it Be (1970)"

 

So I guess that John and Paul could be true bastards if they wanted to.

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1 February 2011
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Gniknus – that film of John's penis was called Self Portrait. There was another one called Erection that showed a building being constructed in stop-motion.
The Fly film didn't feature Yoko, and IIRC didn't have much in the way of sound.
If you're interested, and aren't averse to using Bittorrent, this is worth investigating: http://thepiratebay.org/torren….._Films_DVD

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1 February 2011
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

Marcelo said:

I think those John&Yoko albums are the price to pay for being nonconformist and experimental. IMHO.


I truly Don't get it. Help?
 

Mithveaen kind of answered it for me:
 

Well considering that avant-garde was "in" during the 60s, I don't
blame them for experimenting with that. I haven't heard much of that..
but I've seen footage of Yoko screaming and John playing his guitar like
crazy. Eww… a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

I'd like to say "thank you" on behalf of the group and ourselves and I hope we passed the audition. John Lennon
1 February 2011
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Are those worth watching Joe? I've heard John describing Bottoms and it sounds pretty funny, but then again he could pretty much make anything sound funny.

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1 February 2011
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If you want to a bunch of naked butts, Bottoms is for you. If that style seems unnecessary, Don't bother.

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2 February 2011
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Can't say I've watched them all the way through. Fly probably caught my attention most, but probably because there's plenty of nudity in it…

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2 February 2011
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I think John is quite sexy but with clothes on. I'm not sure if I want to watch John's family jewels……. two-virgins

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2 February 2011
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And if I had fallen under the spell of this thread, That comment made me forget it. Let's not discuss nudity here please

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2 February 2011
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Ok. Just wondering….

 

do you remember that comment Dick Lester did about Paul's acting? That he was good, but he was so in love with the show business, that he tried too much when he didn't need to.

 

so what do you think? Do you consider that comment can be said about his music? It seems to me that sometimes Paul tries too much (and sometimes quite successfully) whereas John's music seems effortless.

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