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The Lennon vs McCartney debate
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McCartney. He Basically saved John after Julia's death in 1957, He Was the Force behind Their most Acclaimed Album, Pepper, and Was the Dimplomat who tried to keep the band alive as long as Possible, so I think Paul. But John's a close two.

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'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

29 January 2011
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Lennon+McCartney is so much better than Lennon/McCartney that is beggars belief. Yesterday- McCartney. Strawberry Fields Forever- Lennon. Hey Jude- McCartney. Tomorrow Never Knows- Lennon. Maybe I'm Amazed- McCartney. Mind Games- Lennon. I Am The Walrus, Blackbird, Helter Skelter, Julia, Revolution, Let It Be, In My Life, Nowhere Man, Get Back, Imagine, Penny Lane, Working Class Hero, For No One, Watching The Wheels- all written by only one of Lennon and McCartney. Together, they gave us A Day In The Life (even then, that's two bits written individually and sandwiched together, and the Paul bit isn't even good), just about Eleanor Rigby, and a load of songs that aren't on that level. Maybe you could count the Abbey Road medley. They were better apart than together. Okay, without Lennon around McCartney wrote a whole load of awful songs (who told him The Back Seat Of My Car would be a great single?) and very few good ones, but Lennon was writing albums without filler, which the Beatles never made.

Anyway, on topic: Lennon.

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Sorry I put the thread in the wrong place, I started this as a Lennon/Dylan debate, but decided that was unfair to Paul. No doubt that they were better together, even if they were writing seperately. Something truly magical and remarkable happened there, one would inspire the other, or maybe challenge the other, to write a song better than the other wrote and it was that brotherly competition that drove the Beatles to greatness. The cool thing about George on the other hand is that he was like the third guy that didn't really care about the competition aspect and just did his own thing.

I think John just covered so many styles during his career, I mean just look at his stuff on the White Album! From the tenderness of Dear Prudence, Julia and Cry Baby Cry, to the bitterness of Glass Onion, Bungalow Bill, I'm So Tired and Yer Blues to the completely bizarre of Revolution 9. But Paul just has so many good songs overall even if his range wasn't quite as expansive, although he certainly had the range to go from Helter Skelter to Mother Nature's Son.

There's just something about John that's so unique in that he completely immerses himself in his songs, he brings such a life to his song that I can't even really imagine what he must have been like on mic during some of those recordings like A Day In The Life, Strawberry Fields, Twist And Shout and so many others. Plus add in his incredible mind and creativity, I think it's funny when he talks about tracks like Walrus and Tomorrow Never Knows being so much better in his head than they actually turned out. Anyway I could go on and on, but I guess I'd definitevely say John.

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Didn't John Say He wrote a lot of the middle-8's to Paul's songs? John was my finisher, I mean, he finished Michelle, Love Me Do, And Others. The only opposite I can think of would be In My Life, but there might be others

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30 January 2011
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ONLY?! You know when you're in high school or middle school and you think it's a really big deal to have a friend who is one grade or two ahead of you? Because oh, wow, they're *older*?

That so doesn't mean a thing when you are 26.

I can understand that Paul didn't want the Beatles to end, but he got a bit control freaky during the last couple of years, and I don't blame George so much for wanting to pack it in.

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Paul Only Bossed George around to make a song better, such as Hey Jude, or Two Of Us. George, I Think, Wanted More Songs Per Album, but he saw it ain't gonna happen, so he wanted out.

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30 January 2011
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"We are all a little weird and life's a little weird, and when we find someone whose weirdness is compatible with ours, we join up with them and fall in mutual weirdness and call it love." — Dr. Seuss
 
 
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Ok, so if a diplomat is defined as "a person who is tactful and skillful in managing delicate situations, handling people, etc", Paul certainly was not a diplomat. Reading a lot of George's quotes from the Anthology book has given me a better perspective on what happened, at least from George's point of view. Basically, starting around Pepper, Paul would get an idea, go to the piano and play while everyone watched, except Ringo who kept time, and that was that. There was no real "band effort" given, Paul would get an entire song in his head and basically neglected any ideas or input given by anyone other than John. Now again, this is George saying that, but he appears to be the most honest and straightforward of the group so I'll take his view as being pretty close to the reality of what happened.

I think StarWisher said it best that age doesn't mean a thing when you are 26, and so George probably just didn't feel respected by Paul, which certainly isn't something that a diplomat would allow to happen. But Paul always viewed George as his little brother, so George was used to it. The real problem occurred when Yoko was brought in because John wanted her on equal footing with George in terms of her input in the band. George has said that after their "dental incident" John was the one he was closest to, so for John to disrespect him by bringing in this no talent hag, excuse my language, and make her input as valuable as his was the last straw.

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