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The Beatles Breakup
6 June 2014
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thisbirdhasflown said

Yes, I see your point. They did lack some character. And you can't call "strength" abusive behavior. It's just that they weren't the only weak ones. There were several other weak members and Yoko fixed it. Even when you're addicted, you can still be strong with strong people, and Yoko was strong.

 

But part of my point is that I don't see Cynthia or May as weak. I think given what was thrown into their laps, they are incredibly strong women. You can't throw a hurricane at someone and then blame them when they barely keep their heads above water.

Also, I don't think we know enough or John lived long enough to determine that anything about him was "fixed." Addiction is a lifetime struggle. And there are conflicting reports of how late in the 70s John might have cleaned up, and there are rumors that Yoko herself was addicted and that she may have even worsened his addiction. For all we know, Yoko may have less to do with his cleaning up than the fact that Sean came into his life.

I just think we need to question the conventional narrative. Cynthia and May and other people who've survived abuse deserve better.

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Expert Textpert said

She said this at the beginning of their trip to LA, before he did anything.

She was their assistant and had some idea of what he was like before the trip to LA, so it's natural she'd have some misgivings. That's not the same as saying she was weak, though.

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Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at YouTube and Vimeo.

6 June 2014
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thisbirdhasflown said

Yes, I see your point. They did lack some character. And you can't call "strength" abusive behavior. It's just that they weren't the only weak ones. There were several other weak members and Yoko fixed it. Even when you're addicted, you can still be strong with strong people, and Yoko was strong.

  But part of my point is that I don't see Cynthia or May as weak. I think for what was thrown into their laps, they are incredibly strong women. You can't throw a hurricane at someone and then blame them when they barely keep their heads above water. Also, I don't think we know enough or John lived long enough to determine that anything about him was "fixed." Addiction is a lifetime struggle. And there are conflicting reports of how late in the 70s John might have cleaned up, and there are rumors that Yoko herself was addicted and that she may have even worsened his addiction. For all we know, Yoko may have less to do with his cleaning up than the fact than Sean coming into his life. I just think we need to question the conventional narrative. Cynthia and May and other people who've survived abuse deserve better. parlance

@parlance I think, yes, they were very strong for what happened. It just wasn't enough. And yes, the truth about his addiction will be unsolved because we don't know how it ended.

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