The Beatles Breakup | Page 7 | Fab Forum

Introducing the inaugural Fab Forum February Fundraiser! Click here for more details.

Please consider registering
Guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed sp_TopicIcon
The Beatles Breakup
No permission to create posts
6 June 2014
7.50pm
Avatar
parlance
Slaggers
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 7092
Member Since:
8 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6 June 2014
8.00pm
Avatar
thisbirdhasflown
Standing in the dock at Southhampton...
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1762
Member Since:
28 May 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
30 December 2014
4.37am
Avatar
C.R.A.
Land of the Rising Sun
Shea Stadium
Forum Posts: 409
Member Since:
4 February 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

It was forty years ago today

when John Lennon put his pen in play

signing documents that legally say

The Beatles officially end today

article

The following people thank C.R.A. for this post:

DrBeatle
“Send John out first; he’s the one they want.” ~ someone said it, dammit. Memphis, 1966
31 December 2014
2.55am
Avatar
DrBeatle
Hershey via Boston
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1492
Member Since:
29 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
125sp_Permalink

C.R.A. said
It was forty years ago today

when John Lennon put his pen in play

signing documents that legally say

The Beatles officially end today

article

 

At Disney, no less!

"I know you, you know me; one thing I can tell you is you got to be free!"

 

Please Visit My Website, The Rock and Roll Chemist

Twitter: @rocknrollchem

Facebook: rnrchemist

 

4 January 2015
10.44am
Avatar
bewareofchairs
Ed Sullivan Show
Forum Posts: 153
Member Since:
18 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
127sp_Permalink

parlance said

thisbirdhasflown said

Yes, I see your point. They did lack some character. And you can't call "strength" abusive behavior. It's just that they weren't the only weak ones. There were several other weak members and Yoko fixed it. Even when you're addicted, you can still be strong with strong people, and Yoko was strong.

 

But part of my point is that I don't see Cynthia or May as weak. I think given what was thrown into their laps, they are incredibly strong women. You can't throw a hurricane at someone and then blame them when they barely keep their heads above water.

Also, I don't think we know enough or John lived long enough to determine that anything about him was "fixed." Addiction is a lifetime struggle. And there are conflicting reports of how late in the 70s John might have cleaned up, and there are rumors that Yoko herself was addicted and that she may have even worsened his addiction. For all we know, Yoko may have less to do with his cleaning up than the fact that Sean came into his life.

I just think we need to question the conventional narrative. Cynthia and May and other people who've survived abuse deserve better.

parlance

Having a brother with an addiction problem has shown me that there really is nothing you can do for someone like that if they aren't willing to help themselves. How Cynthia managed to put up with John for as long as she did AND have a child AND go through Beatlemania, I will never know. 

Maybe this is naive, but the way I see it, Yoko helped John escape his problems while Cynthia and May gave him the kind of support he needed to actually deal with his problems and grow up - they showed him it was ok to be vulnerable and helped him to embrace his most sensitive loving side. That's extremely important.

Does anyone have quotes about John's addiction problems in the later 70's? I hear about it a lot, but where is this information coming from?

8 March 2015
1.13am
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Moderator



Forum Posts: 17130
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Too lazy to write it out in my own words. From Wogblog

Today's Daily Mail has the story and photos of a 19 year old fan who turned up uninvited on John’s doorstep in 1968 and was invited in for breakfast with John and Yoko. The fan, Michael Herring, later shared a car ride with John to George Harrison’s house to see the Beatles recording – and he witnessed the opening of a letter said to announce McCartney’s resignation.

Call me sceptical but i dont see George and John sitting down in George's home with a stranger they'd just met and commenting about Paul leaving in front of him.

For someone with more authority Mark Lewisohn is quoted in the Daily Mail article.

Last night, Mark Lewisohn, a leading authority on the Beatles, said Mr Herring’s photographs were ‘fantastic because they capture a moment in history’.

But he cast doubt on the revelations about Paul’s resignation letter, saying: ‘There’s no way that can be accurate because the Eastmans had no part in Paul’s life until his relationship with Linda began in October 1968, and there was no way Paul was quitting at this point. They had a number of sessions at George’s house and Paul was certainly at most of them – maybe not this one – because we have the recordings.’

But he added: ‘This does not undermine the general story, which I do believe.

Hunter Davies is included too but his section is too long to add here.

Don’t make your love suffer insecurities, trade the baggage of self to set another one free. ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)
No permission to create posts
Forum Timezone: America/Chicago

Most Users Ever Online: 597

Currently Online: georgiewood
49 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

meanmistermustard: 17129

Ahhh Girl: 10741

Annadog40: 9715

Zig: 7545

parlance: 7092

mr. Sun king coming together: 6980

Mr. Kite: 6092

Silly Girl: 5774

trcanberra: 5535

Ron Nasty: 4940

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 87

Members: 3331

Moderators: 4

Admins: 2

Forum Stats:

Groups: 3

Forums: 42

Topics: 3815

Posts: 202031

Newest Members:

ravenswolf, Gamer1234, Stockholm1955, tomomi, ttn48griff

Moderators: Ahhh Girl: 10741, meanmistermustard: 17129, Zig: 7545, Joe: 4390

Administrators: Joe: 4390, Ellie: 3

Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today: None
Upcoming: None