The Beatles Breakup | Page 3 | Fab Forum

Introducing the inaugural Fab Forum February Fundraiser! Click here for more details.

Please consider registering
Guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed sp_TopicIcon
The Beatles Breakup
No permission to create posts
27 November 2010
4.55am
Avatar
GniknuS
Rain? I don't mind
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1332
Member Since:
1 May 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I just think there were too many differences. I think if they would have continued it might have been like the White Album in the sense that the other three would just be the backing group for whoever the singer would be. It would have been interesting like we've talked about before, especially if some of John and George's songs were put on the same album. But maybe they just didn't really need each other anymore, they were finally seperate and independent musicians all with very unique styles. It sucks that they really couldn't get back together, maybe they would have had John stayed alive longer, but in the 70's there was just too much ego for any reunion to work. Plus there would have been so much pressure, they would have had to make something that would at least rival, if not top, Pepper or Revolver. I do think that John was the most important factor though, if he would have committed to keeping it going, the other three would have probably went along with it, just like if he was willing to reunite, the other three probably would have went along with it.

I like what John said, that if Yoko caused the breakup and gets all of the blame, she at least deserves the credit for the great music they made in their solo careers.

I sat on a rug, biding my time, drinking her wine
27 November 2010
2.50pm
Avatar
mr. Sun king coming together
Nowhere Land
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 6980
Member Since:
19 September 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

GniknuS said:

I like what John said, that if Yoko caused the breakup and gets all of the blame, she at least deserves the credit for the great music they made in their solo careers.


Not At All!!! Would Maybe I'm Amazed,
Uncle Albert and the rest of his pre-Band On The Run stuff be better with Ringo on Drums and George and John Playing guitar? Of Course. Would All Things Must Pass be better with Paul's Basslines? Of Course. Would Plastic Ono Band and Imagine be better with George and Paul on Guitar and Bass, respectively? Of Course

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

27 November 2010
7.01pm
Avatar
mr. Sun king coming together
Nowhere Land
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 6980
Member Since:
19 September 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

The Jams On ATMP are terrible, so good riddance to them. A lot of The songs on Plastic Ono Band were written off of experiences, most of which would not have been relived without Primal Therapy, which occurred because He wasn't in the group any more and was feeling incomplete.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

3 December 2010
3.16pm
Avatar
Zig
The Toppermost of the Poppermost
Moderator



Forum Posts: 7561
Member Since:
14 April 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Do any of you guitar players among us subscribe to "Guitar World" magazine? I do not, but my wife happened to spot this cover on a magazine stand and bought it for me.

It is the Holiday 2010 issue, which was also issued with an alternate cover (if you want both you would have to buy them separately).

My reason for bringing it up in this thread is the fact that there are nice articles about John, Paul and Klaus Voorman and each article talks about (among other things) the breakup. I particularly liked the article about KV becuase I know so little about him and he talked about the end of the Beatles from his point of view. He said that as far back as 1966 John had confided in him many times about how unhappy he was being a Beatle. He really resented all of the attention and hated the fact that he could not go out on his own without being mobbed. Klaus said when Yoko came along, she showed John how to use that to his advantage instead of being suffocated by it.

When I stopped to think about that, something else occurred to me. In a lot of older footage, we see John making what George Harrison refers to as John's "spastic face". Whenever a camera was pointed right in his kisser, John made this face. There are even scenes in "A Hard Day's Night" and "Help!" where you can spot the same thing. To me, I always saw that as a defense mechanism. But, for the life of (Brian?) me, I can not recall seeing that face once in all of the post-Beatles footage of John that I've seen. So, Yoko may not have broken them up but was certainly a catalyst - not just for the breakup but also for John's release and ultimately his happiness. Bittersweet, indeed.   

These may be things that you have heard before, but I found them to be a bit more believable coming from someone who has no stake in anyone's reputation and is not trying to sell a book. It also made me want to learn more about Klaus.

Another little tidbit that you may or may not know (I did not) was that Klaus is the one who bought Stu Sutcliffe's oft-mentioned Hoffner bass when Stu decided to leave the Beatles.

Whether you play guitar or not, you may want to look for this magazine. I'm glad my wife bought it for me.

To the fountain of perpetual mirth, Let it roll for all its worth.

Every Little Thing you buy from Amazon or iTunes will help the Beatles Bible if you use these links: Amazon | iTunes

3 December 2010
5.35pm
Avatar
GniknuS
Rain? I don't mind
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1332
Member Since:
1 May 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I've seen a few interviews with Klaus and you can tell that he really loved John. I mean, he loved all of the Beatles, but he was much more a part of John's life than the others. He was part of the trio that made Plastic Ono Band with Ringo, and I saw this documentary about John and Paul's solo stuff, and you can just tell from listening to Klaus that he was an absolutely huge reason why John was able to just basically let his emotions fly in that album. He and Ringo did a good job of loving and supporting John during that album, along with Yoko, and I don't think John would have been able to express those emotions had it not been for the comfort that the others gave him. There's a part in the book Memories of John Lennon, or something like that, where Klaus writes about their time in Hamburg and the pills that they were on. One time after a show, he and John were at a restaurant chatting all excitedly when suddenly John just collapsed face first into his soup or something. After a few seconds, he woke up and began chatting feverishly again as if nothing had happened. Klaus drew a picture of it and it's in the book, it's pretty funny. There definitely needs to be more interviews with Klaus out there because he has a unique perspective in the Beatles story.

I sat on a rug, biding my time, drinking her wine
4 December 2010
5.05pm
Avatar
GniknuS
Rain? I don't mind
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1332
Member Since:
1 May 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Zig said:

GniknuS said:

There definitely needs to be more interviews with Klaus out there because he has a unique perspective in the Beatles story.

I'm not talking about his life story or whatever, but he was around the Beatles in Hamburg and this seems to be the least known about time in Beatles history, so clearly he could offer some perspective on what really did and did not happen. It's more than a "footnote" because he was a friend and could offer a real viewpoint, rather than some biographer that wasn't there and is just basing his information on second hand accounts.

mithveaen said:
Now this is the first time I hear something positive about Yoko that truly makes sense to me!! 

Thanks for sharing this Zig! I might ask them to my Santa in Barnes and Noble…
 

  


I'm with you, Gnik – the article in the magazine left me wanting to know so much more about the Hamburg days.
 

Yeah, mith it was positive. The fact that Yoko helped free John from certain demons is one of the reasons why my attitude towards her has warmed of late.


There are just too many unanswered questions from the Hamburg days. What really happened with John, Pete and that sailor? What did they really do on stage? You could argue that Hamburg was the most important phase of the Beatles career, after all it supposedly takes 10,000 hours of practice before you're a genius, so, like John said, they just couldn't help improving because they were playing so much. So they crafted their great sound in Liverpool, then sort of cleaned it up with the help of Brian when they got back to Liverpool. We just need more information, I think a whole book should come out just from the Hamburg days!
I sat on a rug, biding my time, drinking her wine
18 June 2011
5.50am
Avatar
peregrine9
California
Royal Command Performance
Forum Posts: 125
Member Since:
10 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Spinner
June 17, 2011
Paul McCartney Places Beatles Breakup Squarely on John Lennon

While Morrissey has come out swinging against the Queen of England, calling her the "ultimate dictator," Sir Paul McCartney has a different issue to take up with her Royal Highness — he thinks his fellow bandmate in the Beatles, Ringo Starr, should be knighted. While all four Beatles enjoy MBE status (Member of the Order of the British Empire), only McCartney was knighted in a ceremony that took place in 1997. Speaking to Geoff Lloyd on Absolute Radio this week, McCartney joked that he would like to poke his head in the Queen's quarters and suggest that the only other living Beatle receive the same honor. Perhaps more significantly, NME reports that during the same interview, McCartney placed the blame for the Beatles' breakup squarely on John Lennon. "Basically me, George [Harrison] and Ringo said, 'Does this have to be final? Could we do a couple of gigs or can we think about this tomorrow?' But John was off with Yoko [Ono] and he was saying 'No, no, it's great — I feel a release,' and all that. So that was kind of final."

http://www.spinner.com/2011/06/17/paul-mccartney-says-john-lennon-broke-up-beatles/

Note by Ahhh Girl 31 May 2014: this post originally began a new thread titled "Paul McCartney Places Beatles Breakup Squarely on John". That thread also included posts 59 and 60.

Life is what happens when your busy making other plans.  John Lennon
20 June 2011
12.44am
Avatar
RedLennon
Whitewater WI
Ed Sullivan Show
Forum Posts: 195
Member Since:
5 July 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
Forum Timezone: America/Chicago

Most Users Ever Online: 597

Currently Online: pepperland, February 43
36 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

meanmistermustard: 17152

Ahhh Girl: 10758

Annadog40: 9762

Zig: 7561

parlance: 7092

mr. Sun king coming together: 6980

Mr. Kite: 6092

Silly Girl: 5829

trcanberra: 5549

Ron Nasty: 4950

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 87

Members: 3335

Moderators: 4

Admins: 2

Forum Stats:

Groups: 3

Forums: 42

Topics: 3816

Posts: 202363

Newest Members:

beatlezoe, nicklav99, pbwriter, leenawilliams, ravenswolf

Moderators: Ahhh Girl: 10758, meanmistermustard: 17152, Zig: 7561, Joe: 4392

Administrators: Joe: 4392, Ellie: 3

Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today: None
Upcoming: DrBeatle