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The Breakup
22 November 2010
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What caused the breakup of the Beatles? All opinions welcome. Personally I believe it was going to happen regardless of Yoko, Magic Alex or Allen Klein. I think Paul used the business issues as an excuse to end it, whereas it just was the end of the road IMO

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23 November 2010
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It's hard to blame one person, but here's my thought process. If it's true that John Lennon had the most to do with the Beatles rise to fame, then it also must be true that John Lennon is the most responsible for the Beatles breakup. I don't think that it was necessarily intentional or even really a bad thing that they broke up because they were just moving in completely opposite directions. The way I see it, had they stuck around they would have produced more Let it Be's than Abbey Road's, but even take Abbey Road as an example. As great as the medley is, do you think the Beatles were planning on coming up with this medley or did they sort of have to do it because the material wasn't that great? I would definitely say the latter, as we see many half finished songs just being smushed together to make one great song. Certainly John's songs weren't intended for the medley as we know that a few were recorded prior to the White Album sessions.

The breakup happened because the material that they could have recorded as Beatles just wasn't really that great any more. John and George were being stifled as songwriters and so they decided that leaving was their best option. I just don't think that John would have had the same level of creative freedom with the Beatles that he experienced on the Plastic Ono Band album, and I certainly don't think that George would have been able to release more than two to three songs per album, and as we saw he had plenty that he was itching to put out there. So it happened, the only person that it effected negatively was probably Paul, but even he was able to use the breakup to sell his album, so it didn't work out all that bad for him. Could they have been more mature about the whole thing and left on better terms? Absolutely, but when they all had so much ego, it was probably hard for them to put it aside and be considerate of one another. But you can't change history, it was unfortunate what happened, but ultimately I think it just adds to the Beatles myth.

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23 November 2010
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I personally think that the break up was not because of just one person or issue. My opinion is that they all wanted seperate things in life and had grown too far apart to stay together as a band any longer. But that's just my opinion.

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23 November 2010
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It was really a very slow dead, starting with the Jesus controversy statement by Lennon. a-hard-days-night-john-7

1966. Was a very hard year for The Beatles (at least outside the studio). a-hard-days-night-ringo-13  They had a 3-month break after the Rubber Soul sessions (only overdubs for the Shea Concert were made around Jan. 66).  a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 The interview were Lennon make that mistaken opinion of christianism was around March 66. Then, it was released on London and nothing happened, all knew John jokes and all that. a-hard-days-night-john-6 Well, they got back for the Revolver sessions and just 3 days later of finishing recordings for that album, the world tour begins on late June 66 with Munich, then the Budokan and then the Philippines where, after finishing their concert, The Beatles snubbed unintentonally the First Family and then, they were kicked out. a-hard-days-night-ringo-14 Then, the Jesus statement is released on America, and BANG! Burning of Beatles stuff, banning them from the Radio, starting to get a bit lower in the charts, and also the 'butcher' cover of Yesterday…and Today made more controversy. a-hard-days-night-ringo-6So when they arrived to America, Epstein recalls a statement that said that Lennon's words were used out of context, and Lennon apologize. Nevertheless, a lot of trouble on tours happened, threats of death, more banning and burning, and also, The Beatles were really tired of touring (all minus Paul) a-hard-days-night-paul-6, and the four were playing really bad, so after Candlestick Park concert on August 29th, back in London decided to end touring and all of them took a break until late November 66. It is said that George wanted to left the band after tours ended because his heart was in India now so he didn't want to back, but it was impossible for him to get out. a-hard-days-night-george-5Ringo took vacation, George left to India, Paul went to George Martin and made the soundtrack of The Family Way. george-martin John made How I Won The War and meet Yoko. two-virgins Then they got back to Pepper where, Paul aported more ideas than the others, although the four of them, worked together every day during the 129-day of making Pepper.

 

1967. The Pepper album makes hit, all the beatles left drugs (minus John) a-hard-days-night-john-2 so they make All You Need Is Love for a massive audience worldwide a-hard-days-night-ringo-15  and also meet the marahishi. (For me this was the main reason of the breakup). So they go to India and suddenly their main support, Epstein, brian-epstein Dies.  paul-mccartney

From there they start to go down a bit more, but they complete Mystery Tour film/soundtrack, but the film was screened on Boxing Day in black and white and a-hard-days-night-paul-11 But the soundtrack hit great. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

1968. They prepare singles, probably the last singles of real fun and happiness before left to the Marahishi on Feb. 68 (I'm with Geoff Emerick that those sessions, finishing with Hey Bulldog, were the last where the four were team).

And true, after 4 months, they got back because of the rumour of the Marahishi making sexual advances to some young girls there, and suddenly, all were changed. Everyone wanted to make their own directions (more John). a-hard-days-night-john-1

They open Apple apple01 and then go back to The Beatles (White Album) Sessions were all started to be tensions, only in very few songs were together, like Yer Blues and Happiness Is A Warm Gun, and then, Ringo, suffering from the egos of John & Paul, treating George's songs like inferior, feeling of not be taken seriously and be criticizied by Paul for his drumming in Back In The USSR, He left. a-hard-days-night-ringo-11

He's reanimated by the same Beatles and started to work again although with tensions still, and so, the christmas record of that year was made separately.

Also, Geoff Emerick quits on those sessions.

Anyway, The Beatles is released and recieved (initally) mixed to positive reviews, and one review i'm really with it ''Four solo albums in one''.

 

1969. Paul cames to the idea to Get Back to the old days, no overdubs and just playing like good old days, and so, he got the idea of making a TV Special for making the album, showing how they start rehershal, jamming, composing, get together, and finally performing before a live audience. The other three were less or no enthusiastic with this last thing (live concert) but they were intersted of getting back to the old days.

But as soon they start, tensions come again, now this time, Yoko is with The Beatles in the sessions, and causes a bit more of tensions, and so, on Jan. 6, Paul & George have the argument of the Two Of Us song. Then, tensions grow up to the point where on Jan. 10, George quietly quits the band.a-hard-days-night-george-1

And for two more days, they continue without George, although John a-hard-days-night-john-4 suggest to replace George with Eric Clapton, but the others scrap his idea because the group couldn't be named Beatles without the four original members.

Then they bring back George with the condition of scrapping the live audience concert, and the TV changes to be a movie, and all they move to Apple Savile Row on Jan. 21 (originally was going to be in EMI until Magic Alex said that it wasn't good, he prepared the Savile Row Studio and made it a disaster so they had to clean up again and bring the equipment), and also George brings Billy Preston to change the mood into a 100% improvement, then they made an unplanned live concert on the rooftop of the studio on Jan. 30th.

Then, they finish the album and on March, Glynn Johns (the new co-producer/mixer (role not sure)) made the first acetate and was going to be released on Jul. 69 but it was pushed back.

John calls Allen Klein to be the manager of him and then for The Beatles and they all agree except Paul a-hard-days-night-paul-8, cause he wanted Linda's Eastman dad, Lee Eastman, be their manager, but The Beatles vetoed it because it was going surely to favour him and be against them. So, Klein is signed to be their new manager,  (Neil Aspinall neil-aspinall was in charge of Apple because Epstein died, and The Beatles really didn't know how to lead up with financial things, and Neil didn't want to do it, and also the boutique and the label Zapple got closed). and Apple changes completely. apple02

Later, The Beatles decided to make a better album than the near-disastered Get Back, but George Martin didn't want to colaborate really until he's convinced that all four wanted to make this one. Also, Geoff Emerick is bring back. But instead of getting more united, rarely they were together, but they finish the album peacefully.

On Aug. 22, 7 years later of the first live concert in the Cavern with Ringo as official member of The Beatles, the four of them appear for the last time together on a photo session.

Then, on September, Get Back was pushed to December because The Beatles wanted to release Abbey Road instead. And then, before the Abbey Road album is released, John quits the band permanently. a-hard-days-night-john-5

But even so, he contributed to the last christmas record, that was also recorded separately. Then Get Back is shelved.

 

1970. Get Back revives thanks to Phil Spector changing the name to Let It Be, then the last Beatle session is made (without John), then overproduces the album, Paul gets angry because of that and demanded to cut out some of the overproduction, but is ignored and the album is released like that, but before that, McCartney, announcing his solo album, released before Let It Be, he announces too that, he quits the band. a-hard-days-night-paul-5

And The Beatles are over, although, Paul, calls the members, so they can dissolve legally The Beatles, on December 31st, 1970. a-hard-days-night-john-2a-hard-days-night-paul-3a-hard-days-night-george-5a-hard-days-night-ringo-11

 

At least, two reunions were about to be made, one on 1974, with John away of Yoko and reunited with Paul on a Jam Session, they were about to get back until Yoko & John reconciled again.

But in 1980, the very last days of Lennon, he felt, it was time to get back with The Beatles, he thud they had been away long enough, and then he planned to come back with them on a reunion concert and then try to record and make new music. But all was scrapped when Lennon died. blue-meanie

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23 November 2010
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Now that's an answer.

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23 November 2010
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GniknuS said:

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Now that's an answer.


I'm Beatlefan to death FOREVER. a-hard-days-night-john-6
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23 November 2010
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GniknuS said:

A ton


TheOneBeatleManiac said:

Two tons


Nice work, gents. And to think there are those who still say it was all Yoko's fault…

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Zig said:

GniknuS said:

A ton


TheOneBeatleManiac said:

Two tons


Nice work, gents. And to think there are those who still say it was all Yoko's fault…


Those are the same people who think water just appears in their tap
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23 November 2010
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

Zig said:

GniknuS said:

A ton


TheOneBeatleManiac said:

Two tons


Nice work, gents. And to think there are those who still say it was all Yoko's fault…


Those are the same people who think water just appears in their tap

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Dear Prudence said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Zig said:

GniknuS said:

A ton


TheOneBeatleManiac said:

Two tons


Nice work, gents. And to think there are those who still say it was all Yoko's fault…


Those are the same people who think water just appears in their tap

That's a good way to put it. I don't know why Yoko is always blamed except the fact that its easier to blame the woman than the 4 gods that were The Beatles. As was stated above, it was a long process that started long before Yoko. I am reading Philip Norman's book, and I am not blaming Linda or the Eastman's, but it seems that a lot of problems came up when Paul wanted one group of lawyers, his wife's brother and father, and the rest wanted Allen Klein brought to the table by John. AGAIN NOT BLAMING LINDA OR THE EASTMAN'S!  All of them were moving in different directions and I think John and George were the two who her running as fast as they could down that seperate direction.

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There are many factors which contributed to the break-up.

 

Yoko is not to blame, however she is a major factor. The fact that she disrupted the 1974 reunion and was opposed to the 1981 reunion, shows her influence on this matter. There's really not much doubt that she kept John and Paul from working together as much as she could – for whatever reason. She certainly was pulling John away in the late 60's. Encouraging him to expand his horizons etc., nothing wrong with that per se, however John was prepared to stay in the band even well into Abbey Road.

 

Other factors leading to the break-up were John's herion addiction – this made him erractic and pretty impossible to reason with.

 

Paul's ego got out of control until he was blinded by his own spotlight – he had an attitude which was rather pig-headed – he was so convinced of the rightness of his positions that he couldn't see (at the time) how, for example, using his in-laws for mgt. was threatening to the others during an already tense time (although he was certainly vindicated regarding Allen Klein) or how his ovebearing manner musically was alienating the others artistically (less so for John – who was usually allowed to play whatever he wanted on Paul's songs).

 

George quit during Let It Be because of John not Paul. John was much more dismissive of George's music, and George was openly hostile towards Yoko. This lead to a fist fight between John and George which was not caught on camera and explains why John was so quick to get Clapton into the band. If the fight had been between Paul and George, one would think John would be quick to come down on Paul – and yet we have this moment when George quits, and John rather than say "Well we're over" or "Paul you screwed this up" he is actually prepared to bring in Clapton and keep the band going. This is a big insight into John's attitude regarding the group and his relationship with Paul at that time.

 

There were a lot of people playing the Beatles off each other – this added a lot of tension.

 

I think we need to realize that the breakup was inevitable – in terms of how many bands actually stay together for the long-term. We are looking at the immediate causes – but to me the real reason is it was bound to happen – most people don't know how to end relationships well.

 

We can over analyze it, but to me, it was inevitable – just by the force of the 4 personalities and all they had accomplished in such a short time.

 

To me the bigger shame is Yoko's keeping John and Paul apart during the 70's. Catch the time line of how quickly John returned to NY after he began hanging out with Paul in LA. Yoko reeled him back in. Not saying he didn't love her, in fact because of that love, he would abandon his "mates" for his wife – just as many husbands do.

Just my thoughts

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The Beatles broke up themselves. We just want to blame someone! It's also MArk DAVID CHAPMAN'S FAULT!!!!!!! He killed john! IF he didn't then the beatles could have had some… you know reunions! And cancer it's cancer's fault a-hard-days-night-ringo-11

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OH! and because of the copious amounts of drugs they took it made themturn into different people. a-hard-days-night-paul-1

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Zig said:

GniknuS said:

A ton


TheOneBeatleManiac said:

Two tons


Nice work, gents. And to think there are those who still say it was all Yoko's fault…


I'll play devil's advocate, maybe it is all Yoko's fault, maybe not all Yoko's fault, but at least mostly. My overall premise is that the change in John is the biggest reason they broke up, but, if you think about it, who changed John? Maybe it wasn't all Yoko, but she at least caused the biggest change in John's thinking. So India was sort of the big obstacle, there's life before India and life after India, but even before India John was in contact with Yoko and even in India he received letters from her. Something in his thinking had to have changed from All You Need Is Love to Yer Blues, and it's been assumed that it was his disillusionment with the Maharishi, but could Yoko have been the biggest factor in his disillusionment?After all, she was the one who urged him to cut the "bullshit" out of his work. So that's the question, could Yoko have caused the biggest change in John BEFORE and DURING India, or was it more of just his own disillusionment? If India caused the split, who caused the change in India?
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Magic Alex.

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mr. Sun king coming together said:

Magic Alex.


I think Alex got them out of India, but he didn't cause the change in John's thinking. Maybe saying that Yoko completely changed John's thinking is giving her too much credit, but she at least was one of the biggest factors.
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And Why did he get them out of India? He was Losing his control on John.

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mr. Sun king coming together said:

And Why did he get them out of India? He was Losing his control on John.


That's interesting…that always sort of amazed me that the whole Maharishi thing was started by Magic Alex and that they all went along with it, especially George.
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He chased after a lot of "illusions" thinking it would make him happy – The Beatles, Cynthia, marijuana, LSD, Magic Alex, the Maharishi, etc. Honestly, just reading his comments in Anthology has led me to the conclusion that he was always chasing something. Was Yoko his new illusion? Maybe, but he stayed with her a lot longer than his previous obsessions.

I don't know, the idea that she had undue influance on him seems fishy to me. From my point of view, he had a strong enough personality that if he wasn't looking, if he didn't want the kind of life she offered, then Yoko wouldn't have been able to "steal" him away from Cynthia and The Beatles.

Did Allen Klein or Yoko Ono help matters any? No, but they were invited in by John. And why did he bring them in? To prove he was in charge. So if we're going to "blame" anyone, we should focus on the members of the band, not the people they dragged into the mess.

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skye said:

He chased after a lot of "illusions" thinking it would make him happy – The Beatles, Cynthia, marijuana, LSD, Magic Alex, the Maharishi, etc. Honestly, just reading his comments in Anthology has led me to the conclusion that he was always chasing something. Was Yoko his new illusion? Maybe, but he stayed with her a lot longer than his previous obsessions.

I don't know, the idea that she had undue influance on him seems fishy to me. From my point of view, he had a strong enough personality that if he wasn't looking, if he didn't want the kind of life she offered, then Yoko wouldn't have been able to "steal" him away from Cynthia and The Beatles.

Did Allen Klein or Yoko Ono help matters any? No, but they were invited in by John. And why did he bring them in? To prove he was in charge. So if we're going to "blame" anyone, we should focus on the members of the band, not the people they dragged into the mess.


I think Yoko offered something different and John was immensely attracted to that. He was so disillusioned with being a Beatle, and Yoko was probably the one person on earth who allegedly had "never heard of the Beatles." I'm trying to think of it from my own perspective, you know when you have like a guilty pleasure that you know you shouldn't have, but finally you give into it and your life just changes in some way? You're always tempted and are able to ward off that temptation, but one day you just give in. I bet that was what Yoko was to John, she was a temptation that probably took him so long to give into because she was so weird and different from anyone else, and when he finally gave in, he just couldn't have enough of her.
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