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The Beatles vs The Rolling Stones
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27 September 2012
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Von Bontee said
"Satanic Majesties" was certainly Pepper-inspired, but there was a lot of that about at that time.

"We Love You" had nothing to do with "All You Need Is Love".

I think John was a bit paranoid. What else did he mention specifically? (I can't view that clip.)

 

From the Rolling Stone interview with Jann Wenner (as taken from here):

What do you think of the Stones today?

I think it's a lot of hype. I like ``Honky Tonk Women,'' but I think Mick's a joke with all that fag dancing; I always did. I enjoy it; I'll probably go and see his films and all like everybody else, but really, I think it's a joke.

Do you see him much now?

No, I never do see him. We saw a bit of each other when Allen [Klein, Beatles' late-period manager] was first coming in - I think Mick got jealous. I was always very respectful of Mick and the Stones, but he said a lot of sort of tarty things about the Beatles, which I am hurt by because, you know, I can knock the Beatles, but don't let Mick Jagger knock them. I would like to just list what we did and what the Stones did two months after on every fuckin' album. Every fuckin' thing we did, Mick does exactly the same - he imitates us. And I would like one of you fuckin' underground people to point it out. You know, Satanic Majesties is Pepper; ``We Love You,'' it's the most fuckin' bullshit, that's ``All You Need Is Love.'' I resent the implication that the Stones are like revolutionaries and that the Beatles weren't. If the Stones were or are, the Beatles really were, too. But they are not in the same class, musicwise or powerwise, never were. I never said anything, I always admired them, because I like their funky music, and I like their style. I like rock & roll and the direction they took after they got over trying to imitate us. He's obviously so upset by how big the Beatles are compared with him, he never got over it. Now he's in his old age, and he is beginning to knock us, you know, and he keeps knocking. I resent it, because even his second fuckin' record, we wrote it for him. Mick said, ``Peace made money.'' We didn't make any money from peace.

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27 September 2012
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In the video it also shows the cover of "Beggars Banquet" and the White Album and they are very similar.  I have never listened to Beggars, so I can't comment on the style of music.  Also the whole "Let It Bleed/Let It Be" thing.  I noticed from the earlier years some stones album covers looking similar, but I am sure that there was a lot of that going on.  

27 September 2012
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Aside from only being released a week after the White Album, the "Beggar's Banquet" album cover was a replacement for the cover which the Stones originally wanted. Just a coincidence. The cover of the Rolling Stones' debut does feature their faces lit on one profile only, just like the earlier "With The Beatles"...but it also leaves off the name of the band entirely, which the Beatles never did until "Rubber Soul", a virtual lifetime later. And "Let it Bleed" was released months before "Let It Be"!

Really, it's mostly just John being paranoid or peevish (not that Mick Jagger didn't also have a petty jealous streak in him.) The Beatles did a lot of things first; somebody had to be second.

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27 September 2012
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Sure, maybe, I dunno. But they were then "Get Back" sessions - there were no plans to title an album "Let It Be" until long after the Stones album was in the stores.

I really think there's nothing at all to the whole thing. I remember, long time ago when I was 12 (lol I'm old), Pink Floyd's "The Wall" and Michael Jackson's "Off The Wall" were released within about a month or so of each other - nobody accused either of ripping off the other!

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19 December 2012
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Ooooh, what an interesting topic! 

On the whole, I'd say that the Stones, while brilliant, were less consistently brilliant than the Beatles (at the time they mattered, that is), and that even during their own "imperial" phase (ca. "Satisfaction" to Sticky Fingers or thereabouts), they put out some substandard and/or just plain boring stuff.

While one might argue that some Beatles songs are "worse" than others - "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" is worse than "Here, There And Everywhere" or whatever -, they were certainly never boring, and there are songs that bore me rigid even on my favourite Stones albums. Except, and I'm not being wilfully contrary here, on "Satanic Majesties", which is confused but not boring.

Oh, and I really like Goats Head Soup. More than Exile On Main St.!

19 December 2012
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ahdn_paul_06I prefer Maxwell's Silver Hammer to HTE though...

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minime said
ahdn_paul_06I prefer
Maxwell's Silver Hammer to HTE though...

If you're not joking, then I agree! Here, There, and Everywhere is a bit boring and I'm-feeling-sleepy-can-I-either-turn-this-off-and-go-to-bed-or-put-on-something-like-oh-I-don't-know-Helter-Skelter-or-a-song-like-that-ish.

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Egroeg Evoli said

Here, There, and Everywhere is a bit boring

Well, that is an, uhm, original opinion, I suppose, but it fails to take into account that even if "Here, There And Everywhere" is boring, it is certainly not as boring as "Something Happened to Me Yesterday". Or "Factory Girl". Or "Doncha Bother Me". Or "Bitch". Or "Let It Loose". Or - y'know.

20 December 2012
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To be perfectly honest, I'm not a fan of Maxwell's Silver Hammer and Here, There, Everywhere. As for the Rolling Stones, I respect them for staying together for so long, but I prefer their earlier stuff. I like the Beatles better because their music never gets old.

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