The Beatles Bible - Topic: The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/ Simple:Press Version 5.2.6 MeanMrsMustard on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p44004 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p44004 robert said:

I love them and chose to deal with this paradox by turning up the volume. That seems to work for me.

:D

Nah, I don't really have a problem with them being jerks. In fact, I think I have more a problem with the whole "Saint John" thing. Which he obviously wasn't. I think that the ability to separate the artist from the art is vital to being able to appreciate art.

I've got an example that has nothing to do with the Beatles -- Sir Isaac Newton. He was a total nutcase. He hated ...]]> Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:30:40 +0100 meanmistermustard on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43449 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43449 So when does it become an issue what the artist has done before they become deemed as unlistenable? (Not aimed at minime but asked in general). I cant think of many artists who are never played due to what they have done (there is definately 1 and im sure there are more i just cant think of any). 

]]> Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:05:15 +0100 minime on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43444 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43444 Well... Although I think all of them were more or less jerks, I don't care. I don't listen only to music written by "saints". If I were to support their jerkedness(I realize that a word like this probably doesn't exist) and especially the harm they have caused by being such jerks, I would care. But as I see it, me listening to their music, buying their records and reading books written by them/about them doesn't do any harm, so it's ok. It's all in the past, anyway. Well, mostly. I don't think I have anything to forgive them since I'm not ...]]> Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:32:42 +0100 meanmistermustard on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43431 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43431 You do read and hear a lot of the beatles failings but then you also do get to read beatles stories that do show they were good people who did make a stand for what they believed in. Its been reported before in beatles books but still good to read it and remember the good they brought.

Could easily have taken the money and run.

]]> Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:59:21 +0100 GniknuS on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43414 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43414 I think mith summed the collective consciousness of an entire world of music lovers up in one phrase: "what we have is the music." No, they weren't perfect people...but it's sure hard to stay mad at them.

]]> Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:02:06 +0100 mithveaen on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43399 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43399 Of course it's needed. apple01

]]> Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:03:32 +0100 mr. Sun king coming together on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43394 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43394 Mith, I really don't mind. Maybe it's because I actually care about lots, but I understand. And believe me, they seem angels compared to others. But again, I thought this thread was needed. And Zig, I didn't actually mean it like that. I meant the second picture as a "make sure he isn't pissed thing. And Zig, one other thing; you now got Rocking In The Free World in my head.

]]> Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:01:59 +0100 mithveaen on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43393 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43393 FYI.

 

Again SunKing I'm sorry for my rant.

 

]]> Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:21:49 +0100 Zig on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43389 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43389 mr. Sun king coming together said:

Now THAT's funny.

You crack me up. Rock on mr. S!

]]> Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:23:06 +0100 mr. Sun king coming together on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43374 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43374 Zig said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

John changed the lyric to Imagine no possessions - I wonder if you can from I wonder if we can. Even he acknowledged the potential hypocrisy involved.

That changes nothing about the point I am making. I don't think you are getting what I mean and feel we are having 2 distinctly different conversations. Maybe it's my fault because I am not explaining it right.

You`re explaining your argument fine – I just don`t agree.

Edit:

Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:42:23 +0100 Zig on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43371 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43371 mr. Sun king coming together said:

John changed the lyric to Imagine no possessions - I wonder if you can from I wonder if we can. Even he acknowledged the potential hypocrisy involved.

That changes nothing about the point I am making. I don't think you are getting what I mean and feel we are having 2 distinctly different conversations. Maybe it's my fault because I am not explaining it right.

In any event, I really wish I just ended my involvement in this discussion with post # 26. Good night all.

Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:12:20 +0100 mr. Sun king coming together on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43370 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43370 Zig said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

That in itself is fine. But in Imagine, he's preaching. I don't mind preaching if your actions back up what you preach. would you like being told the greatness of not having sex until marriage by a man who has affairs all the time? I grant that that is an extreme example, but, come on, don't preach something you don't follow.

I could not agree more with you when you say it would by daft to take advice from someone who does what they are telling you not to do.

If you re-read my ...]]> Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:00:19 +0100 Zig on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43363 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43363 mr. Sun king coming together said:

That in itself is fine. But in Imagine, he's preaching. I don't mind preaching if your actions back up what you preach. would you like being told the greatness of not having sex until marriage by a man who has affairs all the time? I grant that that is an extreme example, but, come on, don't preach something you don't follow.

I could not agree more with you when you say it would by daft to take advice from someone who does what they are telling you not to do.

If you re-read my post a ...]]> Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:12:37 +0100 minime on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43362 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43362 a-hard-days-night-paul-8 You've got a point there, Zig. But the third stanza

 

"You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one"

 

Makes me feel a little sceptical about the whole song. If you take it literally, it would mean that it's ok to have your big mansions and closetfulls of furs, and still "the world will be as one" if you just are capable of thinking a world without them. Even the biggest of asses will be able to ...]]> Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:42:30 +0100 mr. Sun king coming together on The Beatles as…… jerks? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43361 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/the-beatles-as%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6-jerks/page-3/#p43361 Zig said:

Great points, Gnik. And I agree we should feel pretty good about keeping this civil.

Great points. Civility is certainly needed. But really, this is about as much as I agree with you on.

I don't know how I could possibly care less about whether or not John would really give up his possessions. To me, they are great songs and I simply appreciate them as that.

I fail to see the hypocrisy. If he were playing this song at his beautiful white grand piano in his beautiful mansion and sang "Give up your possessions, I wonder if you can", then the ...]]> Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:31:43 +0100