The Beatles Bible - Topic: Stuart Sutcliffe and his not so lonely hearts club band http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/ Simple:Press Version 5.2.6 bikelock28 on Stuart Sutcliffe and his not so lonely hearts club band http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p60205 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p60205 I've heard all the different theories listed here. The falling-down-the-stairs one seems most plausible to me. However, the one about the Beatles getting into a fight and Stu getting battered until John protected him also sounds like the sort of thing which would realistically happen (in Backbeat, isn't it suggested that the fight at the very beginning is the cuase of Stu's death? That's what I thought). There are other accounts of Lennon being violent in the late 50s/early 60s, even towards people he cared about (Cynthia, Bob Wooler) so it wouldn't totally shock me if he did duff Stu ...]]> Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:40:18 +0000 thewordislove94 on Stuart Sutcliffe and his not so lonely hearts club band http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p60196 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p60196 I highly doubt that John kicked Stu. Pauline Sutcliffe also made some other false claims, such as John and Stu having a sexual relationship. They would trade girls once in a while, but John did not need that type of satisfaction from Stu.

I know that Paul and Stu got into a fight at the Top Ten Club, but this did not cause his death. Paul said something about Astrid, and Stu got very angry. stuart-sutcliffe 

]]> Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:59:39 +0000 Joe on Stuart Sutcliffe and his not so lonely hearts club band http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43969 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43969 I'm sure I've posted this before, but it's worth mentioning again: A medically informed post-mortem on Stuart Sutcliffe.

]]> Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:09:48 +0100 meanmistermustard on Stuart Sutcliffe and his not so lonely hearts club band http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43771 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43771 You can hear stu's bass on many of the bootleg tracks, unfortunately its quite apparent that he wasnt that good a musician as its pretty basic and plodding. Many of the songs are on youtube and 4 are below just click on the links, there are too many to link all of them here. And yes the quality isnt that great, but that shouldnt be a surprise considering how they were recorded and when. And they are no worse than listening to Revolution #9 loud thru your earphones.

 

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Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:40:40 +0100 minime on Stuart Sutcliffe and his not so lonely hearts club band http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43765 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43765 meanmistermustard said:

Another account of Stu's death was that it was caused thru a rival gang attacking the pre-ringo beatles after a gig and that John helped protect Stu who was getting the worst of it. Thats the account given in the tv movie Birth of the Beatles, (where Pete Best was consulted on the events for accuracy and authenticity yet still had so many errors), and a host of other places.

Not sure why but its never concerned me how Stu died, it was more that he died at such a young age when he was finally being recognised as a talented artist and had moved in with ...]]> Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:57:32 +0100 seaglass eyes sunny smile on Stuart Sutcliffe and his not so lonely hearts club band http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43764 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43764 a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Bill Harry, Beatles encyclopedia, unreliable? Oh, man, that's the only Beatles-related book in my school library and I was looking forward to checking it out! Grrrr....a-hard-days-night-paul-10

]]> Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:47:23 +0100 meanmistermustard on Stuart Sutcliffe and his not so lonely hearts club band http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43745 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43745 Another account of Stu's death was that it was caused thru a rival gang attacking the pre-ringo beatles after a gig and that John helped protect Stu who was getting the worst of it. Thats the account given in the tv movie Birth of the Beatles, (where Pete Best was consulted on the events for accuracy and authenticity yet still had so many errors), and a host of other places.

Not sure why but its never concerned me how Stu died, it was more that he died at such a young age when he was finally being recognised as a talented artist and had moved in with Astrid.

 

Ive never ...]]> Thu, 29 Sep 2011 01:27:55 +0100 minime on Stuart Sutcliffe and his not so lonely hearts club band http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43739 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43739 The Walrus said:

5'7 is fairly short for a full grown man today, but the average height is increasing over time as far as I know. He'd have been a few inches (an inch is roughly three centimetres) shorter than John, Paul and George, which is noticeable.

I doubt an attack on Stuart by John would have happened. I mean, why wasn't John arrested?

 Now…That is easy. The only suspect was Paul, and there's no way he would have given John to the police

 

edit: witness, not sucpect. *bangs head*

]]> Wed, 28 Sep 2011 23:28:45 +0100 The Walrus on Stuart Sutcliffe and his not so lonely hearts club band http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43737 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43737 5'7 is fairly short for a full grown man today, but the average height is increasing over time as far as I know. He'd have been a few inches (an inch is roughly three centimetres) shorter than John, Paul and George, which is noticeable.

I doubt an attack on Stuart by John would have happened. I mean, why wasn't John arrested?

]]> Wed, 28 Sep 2011 23:02:15 +0100 minime on Stuart Sutcliffe and his not so lonely hearts club band http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43736 Yesterday... and today http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/yesterday-and-today/stuart-sutcliffe-and-his-not-so-lonely-hearts-club-band/#p43736 So, I finally got this book "Stuart Sutcliffe: Beatles' shadow...etc" in my hands written by Pauline Sutcliffe, Stuart's sister. Now, I know a lot of you will probably doubt the credibility of that book but the subject rose to my mind again when I started reading "Can't buy me love"(btw what is this habit of Beatles' biographers to diss other bio writers. I have had it in every single book that I have read).

So, I finally found some information about his height though I don't think anyone will be interested about it and I don't know why I'm bothered about ...]]> Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:48:01 +0100